EPTPeople in this and main maphacking thread gave already so many proofs that this guy hacks... Which else proofs do you need? Even if you somehow find maphack in his computer, he will say that used it only for 2v2 with friends and stuff and some people will still consider that as being truth....
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Strelok
Ukraine320 Posts
People in this and main maphacking thread gave already so many proofs that this guy hacks... Which else proofs do you need? Even if you somehow find maphack in his computer, he will say that used it only for 2v2 with friends and stuff and some people will still consider that as being truth.... | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On July 31 2013 15:28 Strelok wrote: Just curious after so many different proofs, including replays and stuff, what else has to be found to prove this person guilty? People in this and main maphacking thread gave already so many proofs that this guy hacks... Which else proofs do you need? Even if you somehow find maphack in his computer, he will say that used it only for 2v2 with friends and stuff and some people will still consider that as being truth.... The problem is that there is no 'proof'. If you would ask all people that played him, possibly 95% would come to the conclusion he hacks (I would as well), but proof can only be found in replay data and impossible selections etc. If you cannot deliver that, you can never proof it. There are so many replays of him doing suspicious stuff, I believe he should be banned , but thats up to Teamliquid and tournaments to decide. | ||
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EnigmaGER
Germany4 Posts
I personally think that this anti hacking scene on TL.net is getting out of control. Yes, there definitely might be reports that indeed prove that someone is hacking but there are still many reports that were just created because the persons who created them are mad as fuck because SCII is their life and they're mad because of a lost match. And I also find it hilarious that people still think that Blizzard would give a fuck about their anti hacking thread. If one day a pro gamer popped up on your hacker list, well then they might actually do something but the rest of your list means nothing to them. My oppinion on this thread is that you're all a bunch of fucks, why? Because: - This is clearly calumny against Imbatoss - You are clearly studying all of his replays trying to find something suspicious, go study the people's replays that are trying to harm Imbatoss' reputation aswell, I'm SURE you'll find some suspicious things there as well, I guarantee it - You are spreading rumours that are incorrect and you know it but you don't care because all you want is getting someone you don't like (in this case Imbatoss) banned A few examples for incorrect rumours: "..how can someone unknown come top at tournaments (go4sc2 finals) and beating much better players like Strelok and going from totally bottom GM ladder to top 16 in 2-3 days lol" - Starbuck He has been GM several times in the past, "bottom GM ladder" is a lie because he achieved several non-bottom placements in the past including top 16 GM on NA "...I watched a VOD of imbatoss and found a little programm called "Autohotkey" in his soundsettings...." - Jogginghose Using a program which has the same or a similar icon still doesn't make anyone a hacker. "...so further i was researching on maphack in general, since it seems the EU-Ladder is full of them atm...." - Jogginhose You were reseaching... lol. Probably a hacker yourself?! "...The icon looks pretty familiar right ?! He also muted the programm since it gives you audiowarnings. According to the website all overlays are seperate and can easily positioned on a second monitor. So the guy streamin prooves nothing. He even prooved himself hacking ..." - Jogginghose Again, he did not prove himself hacking, I also find it funny how much you know about this hack...hmmm suspicoius. "...ImbaTosS was totally unknown, he wasn't even gm, now he is suddenly top 16 grandmaster and top at online tournaments lol. Stupid hacker.." - Starbuck So an SCII player has to be known before he's allowed to be a legit player? He wasn't even GM? Dude stop doing drugs he achieved GM multiple times in the past and you even know that. He also achieved top 16 GM in the past as I said before. "...make sure to have a webcam on ur monitor, if u have a 2nd monitor u can run a maphack on it so it wouldnt prove anything..." - TT1 Are you kidding dude? Every streamer out there could do the same thing, stop looking for possible ways how hacking is possible. No one would use a second monitor to use hacks on. "...LOL, another new account from Germany.. :D..." - Everlong "Low post count, same country as ImbaToss, username don't exist on any other forum on the planet. " - FFW_Rude Paranoid fucks, this doesn't prove anything. You are probably going to say the same shit to me because this is a new account and I'm German aswell. It's also completely up to every person which country they choose, so why would he chosse Germany every time... come on you can do better guys. "...and why did u left your team now, when you could show them that you archived grandmaster league that often?..." - Kaup LOL everyone can look up theirselves, he in fact achieved GM multiple times. There's nothing wrong with this, see for yourself. Only a stupid person, that's what you are apparently, would say that this was the reason he got kicked out of the team by the way. He got kicked because you guy did great spreading rumours that he's a hacker. I bet you guys are popping a boner right now. This is not really a rumour but I just can't resist to comment on that: .."You got caught. It's over. Face it, kid, man up, it's time to realize what happened, appologize and get the fuck out of our community (as you don't deserve to be a part of it) if you have any remaining scraps of honour..." - rafaliusz You call him a kid? Are you fucking stupid, he's not a kid and even if he were one, age doesn't matter, but that's how people tend to argue when they're running out of arguments. Why would he apologize when he's not even hacking. You want him to get the fuck out of "your" community? Everyone is part of this community, because you don't like a person it doesn't change that fact. And I'm sure he doesn't even want to be part of a community like this which is something I can understand because this community contains a shitload of fucks and I thank you for proving it on this thread. And the best part of your sentence "...if you have any remaining scraps of honour.." LOOOL dude, you seem to have some serious trouble irl. Why would you say that? You don't even know him, you don't know what kind of person he is and I'm sure you didn't even know him before you heard about him on this "beauty of a thread". All in all you prove that you must be some kind of ******** by posting shit like that. "....about imbatoss agree with nerchio He is streamcheating or mh, Maybe even he and juicypeach is same player.." - Acerbly Alrite, I can in fact tell that they're not the same player, thank you aintthatfunny for your post, they are not the same player. Another incorrect rumour. My résumé: You guys want this guy to be banned at any price. You guys pop a boner because you find it satisfying to harm other persons reputations. Especially Starbuck and Strelok. You guys have always been a**ho*es. Thanks to your posts you've proven it again. I hope that someone literally studies YOUR replays trying to find something suspicous. I still think they would find some stuff there aswell. And all the guys who blame other persons for their foreign language skills.... simply shut your ****ing mouths and learn a foreign language yourselves. By the way there are alot of people on this thread with questionable English skills including Strelok and Starbuck. Let the flame begin, I can't wait for it. That's the way things are and I find it funny that you'd rather stick together than admit that alot of what you said is wrong and nothing but rumours. That shows even more that your only goal is to get him banned... -Enigma (uuuuuuh another account from Germany I gotta be Imbatoss) Edit: "Enigma your single opinion is totally irrelevant when we reached 14pages about this guy and numerous people have replays where he blind counters + pros included. Oh and Enigma - Joined TL.net Wednesday, 31st of July 2013 Fuck off you smurf." "Enigma aka imbatoss, its over, you lost. try your luck in LoL or something" You guys are so predictable, dance my puppets, dance. User was banned for this post. | ||
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synd
Bulgaria586 Posts
Oh and Enigma - Joined TL.net Wednesday, 31st of July 2013 Fuck off you smurf. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
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Durmaz21
Sweden52 Posts
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EnigmaGER
Germany4 Posts
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kaup
Germany22 Posts
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Jade
Poland289 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:18 2on2.ImBaTosS wrote: i really dont care about what u guys think , really... but what i want to tell u is , that i hate the shit "i came from nowhere" are u fucking kidding me? , i was top 100 gm in wol , then i cintinued with hots and was 2 seaosns top 50 and then top 30 gm in Eu , then i got kicked out of gm cuz of inactivity , because i played on NA , and there i was top 16 too so what the hell are u talking about , i came from nowhere? xD , the other thing is i never played tournaments before because i just ply tournaments when i know i have a chance to win it , and thats the cause since some months , cause i improved , so pls , shut the fuck up with "i came from nowhere" And when ur complaining now again about my bad english , then i wish u a lot of fun , i really dont mind Under what name exactly, what were your accounts back then since if you actually were gm everyone would know that, or at least some people, and say hello to a ban for your language  (because it probably will come) | ||
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iSHOKZ
Germany138 Posts
Either bring valid points to disprove things, or just stop answering please. | ||
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Jade
Poland289 Posts
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EnigmaGER
Germany4 Posts
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Wormi
Germany181 Posts
On July 31 2013 22:04 iSHOKZ wrote: The proceed of imbatoss's argumentation, in regards to the allegations, is so horribly bad, that i laughed my ass off. Either bring valid points to disprove things, or just stop answering please. what could he actually do instead of writing a wall of crap? post replays he gets hard bo-countered? problem is, there are none ;-) | ||
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EnigmaGER
Germany4 Posts
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ScLight
United States26 Posts
1. Blizzard got their money fuck w/e happens next. sc2 isn't a game where people will rebuy their accounts if they get banned so they really have no incentive ban. 2. Blizzard's Sc2 department is just david kim and his balance team. XD I mean There's no "GMs" patroling laddering looking for hackers and Community Manager or w/e isn't spending his work day reading Maphack reports so there's just no one there who cares. 3. We haven't brought enough attention to the problem for blizzard to notice. What really blows my mind is: theres no maphackers on LoL to my knowledge. On top of that to my knowledge they use a similar engine. Millions of player base + free to play + no maphackers= they got some solid ass antihacking engine. We can just assume there are ways to detect hacks just blizzard isn't doing anything about it. Hopefully It'd get fixed, but yea i feel your pain bro. i remember WCS tourny was infested with hackers as well and none got banned. | ||
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kaup
Germany22 Posts
On July 31 2013 22:15 EnigmaGER wrote: This thread was brought to my attention and I wanted to respond to it and that's what I did. I'm not Imbatoss, but it doesn't matter what I say since you actually don't care and/or are too stupid to realize. It also cannot be someone else than Imbatoss because noone else than Imbatoss would not agree to what you guys say... lol. You guys should seriously consider living a life outside of Starcraft2 and stop acting as if everything you say was the only possible truth. OK. so if you know alot of imbatoss you could answer me why did he played the munich barcraft qualifier http://starcraft2.ingame.de/cup/tournament.php?gid=32&tid=1394&mode=grid&round=3 seen from liquidpedia : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_BCON_Clash and imbatoss account on the website : http://starcraft2.ingame.de/cup/player.php?pid=602923 So the tournament rules are in german: (found here : http://starcraft2.ingame.de/cup/tournament.php?gid=32&tid=1394&mode=info ) Teilnahmebedingungen In der Region München lebend Keine Grandmaster (sonst alle Ligen) -> no grandmaster Keine gesponserten Pro-Gamer -> no sponsored progamer and you(imbatoss/enigma) said he was already very often grandmaster? sounds interesting! and why a barcode account ? to get masters and able to win the tournament sounds cool ! | ||
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Lomo
Germany137 Posts
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Jade
Poland289 Posts
On July 31 2013 22:08 EnigmaGER wrote: SearchEU you are so awesome :D As I said you'd rather believe all the lies that you've heard a thousand times instead of believing the truth you've heard once. It's funny that all the posters had to spread rumours and lies first to have a solid construction to maintain their scheme. Thanks <3. Anyways 1. Almost everyone that played Imbatoss confirms that he was suspicious. 2. A guy out of nowhere pops out into top 16 GM and wins Go4SC2's ( he and you (orthesameperson)) tell us that he was GM before both on NA and EU but then why doesn't he link us to his accounts or takes a screenshot of his career summary? That'd do for the "he popped out of nowhere part" 3. Even if he was, how do we know if he didn't get it by hacking? 4. He made the most shitty written explation, with the worst formatting possible, and then he started to insult us when we pointed out that his style of writing is horrible and it's painful to read and it's difficult to understand what he tries to say. 5. We have a possible hint that he is indeed maphacking for sure by the autohotkey thingy, that doesn't prove it for certain, but it is a thing that grabs you towards the "imbatoss is indeed a maphacker" side of the fence. 6. Now another person, who made a new tl account TODAY, and wrote a summary full of bullshit aswell, insulting us aswell, throwing words in the wind and not giving any legit proof of innocence ? How i see it : 1. Imbatoss gives us like ~100 (the more the better) of his replays for us to research. 2. Streams 100% of his tournament matches ( it's still possible that he can use a maphack(or streamcheat) on the 2nd monitor of his that is not captured by his livestreaming software that he's using), so we can see if he's actually playing that well in tournaments and wins them fair and square, deserving the victory, or if he's indeed hacking then his results will drop and he wont win tournaments for REAL MONEY that he won by cheating: - in ladder you play for points mmr and for practice, but tournaments are the real deal, it is annoying and obnoxious to play a maphacker on ladder and lose because someone cheated against you, but in tournaments you are actually stealing money that was spent to spark competition, and be a reward to somebody who's really good at the game and isn't cheating, by fair rules of competition. | ||
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iSHOKZ
Germany138 Posts
On July 31 2013 22:15 EnigmaGER wrote: This thread was brought to my attention and I wanted to respond to it and that's what I did. I'm not Imbatoss, but it doesn't matter what I say since you actually don't care and/or are too stupid to realize. It also cannot be someone else than Imbatoss because noone else than Imbatoss would not agree to what you guys say... lol. You guys should seriously consider living a life outside of Starcraft2 and stop acting as if everything you say was the only possible truth. Simple math: If each allegation here has the chance of being 50% truth, or 50% wrong. The thread mentions about more than 10 such facts. So for only 2 facts, he has the chance to be 25% right, and 75% wrong... do the math. 0,5^10 = 0.0009765625 (0,5 = 50%) WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. So he may be true for 0,01 percent. In imbatoss we trust. (this is only a stupid example to show that there is no evidence in him not hacking) As mentioned above, there is no prove that he is hacking. But count things together. | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
EVERYONE map hacks in ONLINE tournaments. In online environment, no one is there to actually see if a person map hacks. So if the MHer just acts intelligently enough to not get caught, there simply is no way of knowing whether he hacked or not. Or in the case of imbatoss where he acts so blatantly that he hacked, we can't still prove him 100% guilty. SO WHY NOT everyone just map hack in online tournaments? This seems to be the only fair way. I bet a lot of pros including WCS premiere LAN participants have used MH in online qualification (just a personal thought but when you think about it, it is very feasible). You cannot say simply because a person has LAN result, he won't map hack. MH will give him extra edge in online tournaments without practically any risks. So to make my point short, Maphacking and getting caught = extremely low chance Maphacking's benefit = extremely high = everyone should be at least tempted to map hack. it's only a matter of time before everyone is smart enough to do so | ||
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