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Socke
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany451 Posts
July 30 2013 11:15 GMT
#201
so its to hotkey buildings (100% doable in sc2) and you still click with mouse on the unit hotkeys to access 0 - 9.
also stop / start youtube tabbing out ingame even tho you have it bound on key. also, really need to mute that autohotkey program for some reason, but definitely not because it gives audiowarnings about enemy?
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 30 2013 11:16 GMT
#202
On July 30 2013 20:11 SpecialistSc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:36 FnaticNaama wrote:
Saddest thing is that you actually improve faster with maphack than without. Even if they stop maphacking they still have became relatively good undeservingly.


even sadder is that's just not true
that's like saying if you take a practice test with your answer key and get 100, you've gotten better as compared to taking the test without the answer key.
ability to look at the answer then solving will get players to be proficient at cheating, not legit playing


Naama is right. At least if the hacker is not complete dumb. You can look at timings and improve. When I am ingame and I have a supplylead and/or advantage, often times I don't realize. With a hack, you would realize, you would know your timings in and out and you would also learn about their builds and timings.

As said, its really if you are into the game, hack would provide information that help to improve the understanding part of the game, not in the mechanics. Still its cheating and shouldn't be accepted.

ImbaToSs said he uses this program to automatically hotkey his buildings/units, that in itself is bannable offense and should be followed up by a ban from tournaments and Teamliquid. If he does also use the other features and/or he really maphacks I cannot comment on, personally from the evidence, it would lead me to believe yes, he does.
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grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
July 30 2013 11:16 GMT
#203
On July 30 2013 20:08 2on2.ImBaTosS wrote:
Its just a programm to hotkey buildings or like dani said ,for music etc , just to do everything on ur pc with hotkeys , and every programm that u habe open appears in the sound options no matter if it makes a sound or not

No, it is not all programs. Some more examples:
[image loading]
Calibre E-Book Management, Notepad and VLC don't show up for me.
tarrantius
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany25 Posts
July 30 2013 11:17 GMT
#204
On July 30 2013 20:16 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 20:08 2on2.ImBaTosS wrote:
Its just a programm to hotkey buildings or like dani said ,for music etc , just to do everything on ur pc with hotkeys , and every programm that u habe open appears in the sound options no matter if it makes a sound or not

No, it is not all programs. Some more examples:
[image loading]
Calibre E-Book Management, Notepad and VLC don't show up for me.

Cause they are listed under a different Audio Device? Did u check it ?
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BrowbeatSC2
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany4 Posts
July 30 2013 11:21 GMT
#205
On July 28 2013 22:34 sLideSC2 wrote:
Blizzard needs to either open up more data or develop a punkbuster-esque software for these things to stop happening.


Doesn't Blizzard already use "Warden"?
Also, the problem is, how to detect it.
As long as StarCraft2 is running on your computer you can just freely manipulate the (to be) executed commands and the data in the RAM. You can write software, that monitors accesses to certain areas of the RAM i.e. but it's still possible to bypass. It's just "relatively" easy to manipulate software on a local system and that's why even punkbuster isn't 100% safe.
You can use checksums to verify the integrity of certain files/programs, but then again... It's running on your system... you can just let the CPU jump over the codeblocks which are comparing the checksums, or manipulate the returned values themselves.
"Even the threat of power has power." - Jeska, warrior adept
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 11:23:20
July 30 2013 11:21 GMT
#206
On July 30 2013 20:17 tarrantius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 20:16 grs wrote:
On July 30 2013 20:08 2on2.ImBaTosS wrote:
Its just a programm to hotkey buildings or like dani said ,for music etc , just to do everything on ur pc with hotkeys , and every programm that u habe open appears in the sound options no matter if it makes a sound or not

No, it is not all programs. Some more examples:
[image loading]
Calibre E-Book Management, Notepad and VLC don't show up for me.

Cause they are listed under a different Audio Device? Did u check it ?

Yes, I did.

My audio devices:
[image loading]

Show under other device (none):
[image loading]
tarrantius
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany25 Posts
July 30 2013 11:24 GMT
#207

Yes, I did.



So you proofed the normal Autohotkey doesnt show up there.

Imbatoss next round of excuses , its your turn :D
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 11:27:34
July 30 2013 11:26 GMT
#208
to quote spock: "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"
so for me JAEH it can be he is not guilty, but the protection of the whole community is more importent, then the career of a single one ...
jaeh we can catch a few who was just lucky, but to improve the game for ten thousends, bans should be thrown away like cookies !!!!!!!!!! for bm, for harrassment, for being a douchebag for suspection of cheat, hack, streamchat whatever ...
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Jogginghose
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany9 Posts
July 30 2013 11:27 GMT
#209
looks like CPLAY is convinced already
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 11:30:54
July 30 2013 11:29 GMT
#210
On July 30 2013 20:16 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 20:11 SpecialistSc wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:36 FnaticNaama wrote:
Saddest thing is that you actually improve faster with maphack than without. Even if they stop maphacking they still have became relatively good undeservingly.


even sadder is that's just not true
that's like saying if you take a practice test with your answer key and get 100, you've gotten better as compared to taking the test without the answer key.
ability to look at the answer then solving will get players to be proficient at cheating, not legit playing


Naama is right. At least if the hacker is not complete dumb. You can look at timings and improve. When I am ingame and I have a supplylead and/or advantage, often times I don't realize. With a hack, you would realize, you would know your timings in and out and you would also learn about their builds and timings.

As said, its really if you are into the game, hack would provide information that help to improve the understanding part of the game, not in the mechanics. Still its cheating and shouldn't be accepted.

ImbaToSs said he uses this program to automatically hotkey his buildings/units, that in itself is bannable offense and should be followed up by a ban from tournaments and Teamliquid. If he does also use the other features and/or he really maphacks I cannot comment on, personally from the evidence, it would lead me to believe yes, he does.


i remember in sc1 times, playing with vision from enemy on at custom games for exactly that purpose, jaeh ... but still its no excuse ...

On July 28 2013 22:47 krazykoz wrote:
IMO, the best way to combat this in online competitions is to have blizzard/tournament organizers create a simple program that players must run on their machine when they choose to compete in those tournaments and it would allow an admin to view any active programs. Given it is the player's choice to enter those tournaments, it wouldn't be a privacy situation as those players could choose to not enter the tournaments.

By limiting it to the tournament scene, there would not be as much incentive for hackers to find a way around that program as most hacks are developed for general use on ladder where they reach a broader audience.


i think EA wanted to do something like that, they stopped after a big shitstorm of spy on user computer etc ...
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 30 2013 11:30 GMT
#211
On July 30 2013 20:29 Drake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 20:16 NarutO wrote:
On July 30 2013 20:11 SpecialistSc wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:36 FnaticNaama wrote:
Saddest thing is that you actually improve faster with maphack than without. Even if they stop maphacking they still have became relatively good undeservingly.


even sadder is that's just not true
that's like saying if you take a practice test with your answer key and get 100, you've gotten better as compared to taking the test without the answer key.
ability to look at the answer then solving will get players to be proficient at cheating, not legit playing


Naama is right. At least if the hacker is not complete dumb. You can look at timings and improve. When I am ingame and I have a supplylead and/or advantage, often times I don't realize. With a hack, you would realize, you would know your timings in and out and you would also learn about their builds and timings.

As said, its really if you are into the game, hack would provide information that help to improve the understanding part of the game, not in the mechanics. Still its cheating and shouldn't be accepted.

ImbaToSs said he uses this program to automatically hotkey his buildings/units, that in itself is bannable offense and should be followed up by a ban from tournaments and Teamliquid. If he does also use the other features and/or he really maphacks I cannot comment on, personally from the evidence, it would lead me to believe yes, he does.


i remember in sc1 times, playing with vision from enemy on at custom games for exactly that purpose, jaeh ... but still its no excuse ...


I didn't say it was.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 11:34:48
July 30 2013 11:31 GMT
#212
On July 30 2013 20:30 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 20:29 Drake wrote:
On July 30 2013 20:16 NarutO wrote:
On July 30 2013 20:11 SpecialistSc wrote:
On July 30 2013 19:36 FnaticNaama wrote:
Saddest thing is that you actually improve faster with maphack than without. Even if they stop maphacking they still have became relatively good undeservingly.


even sadder is that's just not true
that's like saying if you take a practice test with your answer key and get 100, you've gotten better as compared to taking the test without the answer key.
ability to look at the answer then solving will get players to be proficient at cheating, not legit playing


Naama is right. At least if the hacker is not complete dumb. You can look at timings and improve. When I am ingame and I have a supplylead and/or advantage, often times I don't realize. With a hack, you would realize, you would know your timings in and out and you would also learn about their builds and timings.

As said, its really if you are into the game, hack would provide information that help to improve the understanding part of the game, not in the mechanics. Still its cheating and shouldn't be accepted.

ImbaToSs said he uses this program to automatically hotkey his buildings/units, that in itself is bannable offense and should be followed up by a ban from tournaments and Teamliquid. If he does also use the other features and/or he really maphacks I cannot comment on, personally from the evidence, it would lead me to believe yes, he does.


i remember in sc1 times, playing with vision from enemy on at custom games for exactly that purpose, jaeh ... but still its no excuse ...


I didn't say it was.


nono thats not what i mean i mean in their minds it is the excuse and they think "oh even without cheat i am better but i do it to learn" etc ... their minds are just broken ^_^

On July 28 2013 23:09 synd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 23:02 Durmaz21 wrote:
report the player to blizzard. if enough people does that blizzard will take a look at the guy and if given enough evidence, a ban can happen. its probably the only thing that can be done except raise awareness of the player (which this thread does; good job strelok)

I don't know dude. To me it seems like the reporting system is just a visual feature but practically it doesn't do anything.
I judge by the amount of people that were reported by at least 20+ people and they still maphack/cheat freely even now.


because this "report" system isnt working ... if you rape a noob it happens OFTEN enough hes like "oh you cheat i going report you, you will get banned motherf...." etc ... so there are for sure thousends of people reported by alot noobs who did never cheat or even looked like, just some noobs cant lose.
so its super hard find the true reports in all of the shitty reports
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
RayBeans
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany331 Posts
July 30 2013 11:38 GMT
#213
Hi there,

(main) organizer of the BCON Clash (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_BCON_Clash) here, which Imbatoss won and took 200€ prizemoney.

Can some of you please check the replays and tell me/us if there is any evidence. Thanks in advance

Link to the whole cup replaypack: http://binarybeast.com/rep/82894/xHotS1307041.zip
link to the replays of the finals: http://binarybeast.com/rep/82894/xHotS130704/winners_bracket/round_3/ExZotiK%20(Zurich)%20vs%20ImBaTosS%20(Munich).zip
link to the grid: http://binarybeast.com/xHotS1307041
eSports with friends & HSV esports e.V. - Hamburg!
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 11:50:02
July 30 2013 11:41 GMT
#214
On July 29 2013 01:33 2on2.ImBaTosS wrote:
[blablabla] ... and also i will stream the next days and weeks , so there wont be any kind of doubt.


for me thats the sollution for nearly everything, i remember the mistrzzz the polish guy in sc1 everyone thought he maphack ? then he streamed every of his games too.
if someone is suspected cheating and has the connection, if you stream all your tournament/league etc games, i think the people will stop mention it. but if you only stream ladder and not the tournament/leagues then its selfgoal


On July 29 2013 12:58 TheSwamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 02:34 SearchEU wrote:
On July 29 2013 01:33 2on2.ImBaTosS wrote:
ok first of all i have to tell u , that i have a very strange playstyle and my own style , but is that something u can judge me for ? no u cant , and also i am playing everygame the same opening , vs every race a special opening , its my own bo and i am not changing it , 2 zealots and a mothership core vs zerg , 3 stalker opening vs toss , 1gate expand with chrono boost on the stalker vs terran , i am never changing it so u cant tell me i ply other things when my oppnents goes hatch first or pool first , i sometimes go forge opening when i play against opponents like Bly , its not possible to hold his hatch first , gas pool with gate opening so i decided to go for a forge , and what knowme said that i went for 5 canons .. i know when somebody cnaon rush the expand of bly then he goes normally roaches and i also saw the roaches cuz they attacked my canons , so its not unnormal that i go for 5 canons, and also to mention that my micro is not good enough for my top16 gm , thats nothing u can talk about , in a hacker thread , what a joke , u can also be a high level player when ur micro sux ,the game vs nerchio he called me maphacker , cuz i hold his early pool and knew he went for mass speedlings cuz he had no expand what i scouted? is that maphacking? i dont think so , also the games vs strelok like mentioned , i know he is a mech plyer so he won't play bio at any time , so its easy to say when he will go for drops , to know the timings etc. thats important , and when u know ur opponent wel enough than u can hardcounter him ,also i culd bly call "maphacker" or other people cuz they hardcountered me , its a joke to say somebody is maphacking when he just know what his opponent is going for .. and also i will stream the next days and weeks , so there wont be any kind of doubt.


Worst formatting ever.


Every time someone tries to defend themselves from MH accusations this is what it looks like. They just write one long paragraph of terrible English. It's almost as if people who MH are stupid.


so you call him "stupid" because he has bad english ? or even just "write" bad english ?
i write terrible english and i had an A in school ... its just you never use it in germany cause everything is on german so you just get used to shitty english like this ... please if hes cheater or not, dont just call him stupid because he has not the best english lol ,,, perhaps frensh was his 2nd language
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
July 30 2013 11:50 GMT
#215
On July 29 2013 01:33 2on2.ImBaTosS wrote:
[blablabla] ... and also i will stream the next days and weeks , so there wont be any kind of doubt.


make sure to have a webcam on ur monitor, if u have a 2nd monitor u can run a maphack on it so it wouldnt prove anything
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
July 30 2013 11:53 GMT
#216
Kristoffer M ‏@TargA01 1h
So many hackers in europe atm, intruder, imbatoss alastor, juicypeach etc..

AlaStOr ‏@AlaStOrsC 23m
@TargA01 here my reps vs this fatboy at wcs http://drop.sc/352241 http://drop.sc/352239 http://drop.sc/352242 , stop eat hamburguers plz

LOL y so much drama all of a sudden
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
July 30 2013 11:55 GMT
#217
On July 30 2013 19:07 Jogginghose wrote:
hey guys. i did some more research and i am really glad imbatoss streamed some games for us .

I watched a VOD of imbatoss and found a little programm called "Autohotkey" in his soundsettings.
proove: http://imgur.com/93COMqK
so further i was researching on maphack in general, since it seems the EU-Ladder is full of them atm.
So **MOD EDIT PLEASE DO NOT LINK TO HACKS AS TO FASCILITATE THEIR USE** here is the hack he is probably using.

Thats how the interface looks like:
http://imgur.com/wel7C.

The icon looks pretty familiar right ?! He also muted the programm since it gives you audiowarnings. According to the website all overlays are seperate and can easily positioned on a second monitor. So the guy streamin prooves nothing. He even prooved himself hacking .


so i have to read 9 pages to find the ultimate proov ? xD
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
July 30 2013 11:56 GMT
#218
On July 30 2013 20:55 Drake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 19:07 Jogginghose wrote:
hey guys. i did some more research and i am really glad imbatoss streamed some games for us .

I watched a VOD of imbatoss and found a little programm called "Autohotkey" in his soundsettings.
proove: http://imgur.com/93COMqK
so further i was researching on maphack in general, since it seems the EU-Ladder is full of them atm.
So **MOD EDIT PLEASE DO NOT LINK TO HACKS AS TO FASCILITATE THEIR USE** here is the hack he is probably using.

Thats how the interface looks like:
http://imgur.com/wel7C.

The icon looks pretty familiar right ?! He also muted the programm since it gives you audiowarnings. According to the website all overlays are seperate and can easily positioned on a second monitor. So the guy streamin prooves nothing. He even prooved himself hacking .


so i have to read 9 pages to find the ultimate proov ? xD

Yes, you can stop quoting random posts from pages 1-8 now
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 12:02:44
July 30 2013 11:57 GMT
#219
On July 30 2013 20:53 TT1 wrote:
Kristoffer M ‏@TargA01 1h
So many hackers in europe atm, intruder, imbatoss alastor, juicypeach etc..

AlaStOr ‏@AlaStOrsC 23m
@TargA01 here my reps vs this fatboy at wcs http://drop.sc/352241 http://drop.sc/352239 http://drop.sc/352242 , stop eat hamburguers plz

LOL y so much drama all of a sudden


oh well that escalated quickly

Edit: Also I like Targa, he is a cool dude, so when he calls someone a hacker I tend to believe him. Now that's because I assume he checked everything and is 100% sure/has prove, because he knows how such rumors could affect a player. If it now proves to be wrong I am disappointed.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 30 2013 12:02 GMT
#220
On July 30 2013 20:53 TT1 wrote:
Kristoffer M ‏@TargA01 1h
So many hackers in europe atm, intruder, imbatoss alastor, juicypeach etc..

AlaStOr ‏@AlaStOrsC 23m
@TargA01 here my reps vs this fatboy at wcs http://drop.sc/352241 http://drop.sc/352239 http://drop.sc/352242 , stop eat hamburguers plz

LOL y so much drama all of a sudden


In the past we already did doubt alastor was legit. His scouting patterns and reasoning behind 15 hatch or pool first are completely off the chart, at least in the past. I still remember 'testing' him with other Terrans and he really never got caught offguard vs a double rax, with or without scouting.
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