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xyzz
567 Posts
I don't see what could be /buffed/ towards the viper. o.o... Many options to just make it better. Faster build time, cheaper cost, faster energy regeneration via the siphon for less damage to the structure than before, more HP, more total energy, longer abduct range, larger blinding cloud area of effect, etc. Pretty much any aspect of it can be buffed. | ||
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Sissors
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xyzz
567 Posts
I'm very far from a great player myself, but I'm high masters on Europe, and I rather do a 2 base all in build that you can practise to perfection than take a late game match where I need to have perfect micro with storms, feedbacks, forcefields and timewarps while in the same time guessing the right unit composition because Zerg is making tech switches, dealing with Muta switches, all the while doing Warp Prism & proxy pylon two pronged zealot / dt runbys to expansions JUST to be able to have a chance to win. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
On July 26 2013 15:23 Shin_Gouki wrote: I don't see what could be /buffed/ towards the viper. o.o... The overall questions in this interview are rather stagnant. Should have been a little more persistent towards their ideas on mech and where protoss stand as a whole. (Protoss get no love) Well I think the spells are strong enough, sometimes they seem OP, so if anything it would be something like health or building time I think. About Protoss, it's complicated. The race seems flawed. TLO also said in his AMA he would like to redesign the whole race, since it just works around forcefields and warpgates until it reaches a deathball. But even if Blizzard realises this and they don't like Protoss themselves, they can't just do a huge patch that changes the whole race and how it works or is played, since players are trying to make a living. It would basically put Protoss players back in the beta. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
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saddaromma
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Sabu113
United States11086 Posts
David Kim: Overall, Protoss's performance is not weak. In a lot of tournament's Ro32, Protoss has a stable and high presence. This is not a problem of SC2. It seems like there are fewer top Protoss players out there, at least fewer than Terran and Zerg. So I think we need to look for more new top Protoss players, and then the situation will change. If the number is getting worse [for Protoss], then we will consider change some Protoss units. In addition, in recent Dreamhack, Stardust won the championship. WCS S1 NA had a lot of Protoss. These numbers make me relaxed.l He's incompetent. I mean I knew this from the shit job they did throughout the lifespan of WoL and the miserable ideas that had for new units ( and a lack of more ideas than the ones they had) but this interview. Idra really shouldn't have been censured about the tire iron comment. The sooner David Kim loses his job the sooner someone competent assumes the reigns. | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
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ImperialFist
790 Posts
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
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xyzz
567 Posts
The sooner David Kim loses his job the sooner someone competent assumes the reigns. It's funny when he says Protoss is fine as a race and the pros just have to l2p, but when asked what new hots units & abilities had the most succesful design, there's not a single Protoss unit / ability mentioned (because they all suck). | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16123 Posts
On July 26 2013 15:36 saddaromma wrote: The game has so many glaring problems. But DK - "Ladder is balanced so its cool". I'm not sure if he is the right guy to design sc2. He did a good job but we need someone new. The pro scene is pretty balanced also at the moment. Aside from a lack of Protoss "champions" they've had very reasonable representation in HoTS pretty much across the board, foreign tournaments and Korean. (If you want an example of "not reasonable" look at foreign Terran winrates in WoL.) You can easily blame there not being a Protoss champion on the simple fact that they don't have anyone has good as Innovation or Soulkey, I think that's where David Kim's "Protoss players need to get better" comment comes from, I don't think it's a stab at the players that play the race so much as it's an acknowledgement that there isn't a true ELITE Protoss player the way there's elite Zergs and Terrans like Innovation and Soulkey who are recognized as just being heads and shoulders above their peers. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11086 Posts
On July 26 2013 15:40 Vindicare605 wrote: The pro scene is pretty balanced also at the moment. Aside from a lack of Protoss "champions" they've had very reasonable representation in HoTS pretty much across the board, foreign tournaments and Korean. You can easily blame there not being a Protoss champion on the simple fact that they don't have anyone has good as Innovation or Soulkey, I think that's where David Kim's "Protoss players need to get better" comment comes from, I don't think it's a stab at the players that play the race so much as it's an acknowledgement that there isn't a true ELITE Protoss player the way there's elite Zergs and Terrans like Innovation and Soulkey who are recognized as just being heads and shoulders above their peers. MC was better than his peers in terms of sheer control and multitasking during his peak. Limited because the race was just simply did not have the same potential and power as terran. [Puma's career might be entirely evidence of that] Rain- I don't know in what world we pretend Rain isn't at least on the level with Innovation and Soulkey/Roro/someother champion over the last 4 months. Incredible planning and multitasking. It's a cop out answer and it's not going to be much comfort to be vindicated when in a year HoTS looks like the last year of WoL. | ||
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xyzz
567 Posts
Rain- I don't know in what world we pretend Rain isn't at least on the level with Innovation and Soulkey/Roro/someother champion over the last 4 months. Incredible planning and multitasking. Exactly. Noone can come here and say this guy isn't just as good or better RTS player than everyone in the world. His control, decision making, multi-tasking, speed, imagination, etc are out of this world. His weakness is that his race is limiting his capabilities, while a stronger race wouldn't. | ||
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jarod
Romania766 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
On July 26 2013 15:39 Erik.TheRed wrote: not sure if there's some kind of language barrier/ bad translation but this seems like a pretty shitty interview. This "reporter" is throwing his personal balance opinions in there way too much for this to have been a productive conversation. If he is asking on behalf of something the community/progamers have been pushing then that's one thing, but these are just vague rants about why this guy thinks the game is shit. I just assumed it is a rough translation, there is no way the interviewer phrased his questions like that or he isn't a pro. But then he wouldn't be interviewing David Kim. Btw IEM said they will also have an interview with him, I think it will be on stream with Apollo again. | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
The game is closer to balance than it has ever been. Just look at the monthly statistics. The game is overall much better. Hydras are indeed a success, they are now a staple of ZvZ and ZvP. People want to hear what they want to hear, no matter what he would have said, he'd still be an idiot. | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
Will ignore the balance whining but i will say one thing. Justifying that protoss's position is strong in relation to terran and Zerg based on dreamhack and wcs na (participants not performance) is something that would come out the mouth of a bad project leader, an ignorant project leader or a mentally retarded project leader. Take your pick. My opinion not fact. | ||
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:00 Kim Hyuna wrote: David Kim is an idiot. We already seen TOP protoss players playing inside KR. And almost zero success in taking one major title here in KR. Isn't  PartinG, Rain, First, MC etc top Protoss players? I don't see any NEW upcoming top protoss coming near.And, Stardust is playing against Foreigner and not TOP Z/T players from KR. And his win against JD is nothing HUGE because JD is known for his weakness in PvZ. What an idiot again. Isn't that what Protossers has been doing? It's either turtle up for one fucking push or 2 base all in. Oracle? It's a shit unit. Obviously he hates Protoss since WOL days. you obviously don't watch enough starcraft | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16123 Posts
On July 26 2013 15:45 Sabu113 wrote: MC was better than his peers in terms of sheer control and multitasking during his peak. Limited because the race was just simply did not have the same potential and power as terran. [Puma's career might be entirely evidence of that] Rain- I don't know in what world we pretend Rain isn't at least on the level with Innovation and Soulkey/Roro/someother champion over the last 4 months. Incredible planning and multitasking. It's a cop out answer and it's not going to be much comfort to be vindicated when in a year HoTS looks like the last year of WoL. I like Rain, I think he's one of the best Protoss players in the world but I really think he's overrated and that is hard for me to say because I do know how good he is, but he isn't on the level of Innovation. I'm sorry but he just isn't. Here's a good example of the kind of Elite status I'm talking about with Innovation. You EXPECT him to win, and he dominates, his series vs Soulkey in the OSL RO8 was a textbook example of domination over an opponent and Soulkey played some of the best ZvT (in game one at least) I've ever seen except from perhaps Startale Life at his peak. Rain? Went 3-2 in a tough crazy series with Supernova who isn't even usually considered when we talk about world's top Terran players (perhaps we should?) That kind of thing you just don't see from Innovation and Soulkey, when they get paired against anyone that isn't each other the outcome is predictably one sided affairs. You can't just decide to put Rain on their level of excellence just for parity's sake, just so we can point to 3 individual players and say "oh yea those are the best at their respective races at the moment, they're the new Bisu/Flash/Jaedong" the reality just isn't consistent with that. Rain is good, but he doesn't have that Elite untouchable status right now the way Innovation does, or the way Life used to. Perhaps during his first OSL win when he dominated WCS Asia and looked unbeatable in PvT (even then MVP found a way to beat him.) he had it, and maybe he'll get back there, but he isn't there right now and hasn't been for all of HoTS. Again this is all my opinion, but that's how I interpreted what David Kim said. It isn't so much that Protoss players aren't good, but when you look at the players winning championships, and compare those guys amongst each other, it's the top Terrans and Zergs that stand out as consistently dominant. We haven't had a Protoss in that company since MC. | ||
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