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On July 27 2013 03:55 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 03:49 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:34 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:30 farvacola wrote:On July 27 2013 03:29 mikumegurine wrote:Each year Evolution (videogame tournament) happens in US, many Chinese people come to play video games eLivePro.Qanba|Dakou eLive|Xiao Hai Da Kou Cfg Xiao Zhe and other Chinese such as ones who came from the China qualifiers for Evo2013 http://www.17utt.com/2013/0603/16321.htmlThese players from China got visa to come over here and play videogames at Evolution tournament some how how then, since you guys say its impossible? Cant be cause of age, cause these guys vary from 17-28s, and Macsed is 25 (Macsed has visa problem just like Jim) These Chinese probably did not need a invitation letter either, besides ANYONE can go MLG Studios in Manhattan for Round of 16 WCS NA, either as audience/player How did all these Chinese, each year, somehow get visas to travel to US to play at Evolution Videogame tournament? Because EVO's date is set much more in advance, and a few months can make all the difference when it comes to procuring visas. It really is that simple. WCS NA ro 16 was set in advance too, you could get the dates directly from Blizzard And some of the EVO Chinese players, only had 1 month and a half (42 days basically) from winning the qualifier in China then traveling and playing in the US for the tournament Right, which is longer than Jim from the day he qualified for the round of 16. He can’t request a visa if he “might have to go”. He requested an emergency meeting to get the visa approved and they set the appointment once he had proof as to why he was going to the US. They have a new meeting in 4 days (July 30, 2013) and maybe it will get approved then. I don’t know why this is shocking for you. People have stated that students to are accepted to US colleges get their visas denied as well. It isn’t a sure thing. I dont know exactly what the China EVO players said to get their visas, but it was probably that they were going to Evolution to watch/play videogames The EVO Chinese didnt need a letter, they just did the process very early (since its first come first serve), and they somehow get to go each year to US to watch/play videogames So why couldnt Jim/Macsed apply earlier for visa with the same idea? Tell them going to MLG Manhattan to watch/play videogames This is more important than you realize. The fact that EVO has been going on for years and has routinely attracted Chinese players makes it far more likely that both the US and Chinese officials involved in the visa process are familiar with the event and what it means as far as visas are concerned. Considering that we already know that Blizzard messed up their letter to the office, it isn't hard to imagine that a lack of familiarity with the WCS played into Jim's visa issues.
Messed up might not be the correct term. We don't know what letter they brought or if Blizzard wrote it with teh express purpose of using it as evidence of a reason to travel for the USCIS. As far as we know it was directions to the event and something to show the guy at the door when you got there. Or it as an email they printed, or anything really. It could be so stupid as "this isn't dated and there is no official letter head on it".
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On July 27 2013 03:55 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:49 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:34 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:30 farvacola wrote:On July 27 2013 03:29 mikumegurine wrote:Each year Evolution (videogame tournament) happens in US, many Chinese people come to play video games eLivePro.Qanba|Dakou eLive|Xiao Hai Da Kou Cfg Xiao Zhe and other Chinese such as ones who came from the China qualifiers for Evo2013 http://www.17utt.com/2013/0603/16321.htmlThese players from China got visa to come over here and play videogames at Evolution tournament some how how then, since you guys say its impossible? Cant be cause of age, cause these guys vary from 17-28s, and Macsed is 25 (Macsed has visa problem just like Jim) These Chinese probably did not need a invitation letter either, besides ANYONE can go MLG Studios in Manhattan for Round of 16 WCS NA, either as audience/player How did all these Chinese, each year, somehow get visas to travel to US to play at Evolution Videogame tournament? Because EVO's date is set much more in advance, and a few months can make all the difference when it comes to procuring visas. It really is that simple. WCS NA ro 16 was set in advance too, you could get the dates directly from Blizzard And some of the EVO Chinese players, only had 1 month and a half (42 days basically) from winning the qualifier in China then traveling and playing in the US for the tournament Right, which is longer than Jim from the day he qualified for the round of 16. He can’t request a visa if he “might have to go”. He requested an emergency meeting to get the visa approved and they set the appointment once he had proof as to why he was going to the US. They have a new meeting in 4 days (July 30, 2013) and maybe it will get approved then. I don’t know why this is shocking for you. People have stated that students to are accepted to US colleges get their visas denied as well. It isn’t a sure thing. I dont know exactly what the China EVO players said to get their visas, but it was probably that they were going to Evolution to watch/play videogamesThe EVO Chinese didnt need a letter, they just did the process very early (since its first come first serve) So why couldnt Jim/Macsed apply earlier for visa with the same idea? Tell them going to MLG Manhattan to watch/play videogames God damn it, they can, but they might get denied due to the short notice. In general, if you want to travel to another country and you need to go there RIGHT FUCKING NOW, there is a chance you might be denied a visa. And if your reason is, "I'm gunna play video games," it might not help. So you agree that doing it on short notice is a problem? thats the whole point of my original post and subsequent posts in this thread why not do visa very early, just like the CHINA EVOLUTION players (didnt need any invitation letter), who are going to US to watch/play videogames at MLG studios you can watch the RO 16, might not get to play, but anyone can go simple as that
Who knows why, but the coach and other people are sayign they couldn't apply earlier. Maybe they tried and the USCIS told them to come back when they had firm dates they intented to travel. That is what people ahve been telling you over and over and over, that the coach said "we couldn't apply any earlier". Unless you think he totally fucked up and didn't try hard enough to find some way around that, it is sort of a pointless argument.
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Ok, well see in the topic creator's opening post, it does not say the Coach tried as early as possible (even trying before Jim/Macsed won their ro32 games)
also, the people earlier in the thread were not telling me that the Coach tried as early as possible, one of them in fact said "mikumegurine has no fucking clue how visas work cause its impossible for Asians (Chinese, Malay?) to get a visa TO PLAY VIDEOGAMES"
which now do you see, is completely untrue? Since many Chinese DO come to US each year to watch/play videogames
If the coach really did try for visa several months before Jim/Macsed played their ro32 games, then atleast they tried, is what im trying to say
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On July 27 2013 03:55 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:49 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:34 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:30 farvacola wrote:On July 27 2013 03:29 mikumegurine wrote:Each year Evolution (videogame tournament) happens in US, many Chinese people come to play video games eLivePro.Qanba|Dakou eLive|Xiao Hai Da Kou Cfg Xiao Zhe and other Chinese such as ones who came from the China qualifiers for Evo2013 http://www.17utt.com/2013/0603/16321.htmlThese players from China got visa to come over here and play videogames at Evolution tournament some how how then, since you guys say its impossible? Cant be cause of age, cause these guys vary from 17-28s, and Macsed is 25 (Macsed has visa problem just like Jim) These Chinese probably did not need a invitation letter either, besides ANYONE can go MLG Studios in Manhattan for Round of 16 WCS NA, either as audience/player How did all these Chinese, each year, somehow get visas to travel to US to play at Evolution Videogame tournament? Because EVO's date is set much more in advance, and a few months can make all the difference when it comes to procuring visas. It really is that simple. WCS NA ro 16 was set in advance too, you could get the dates directly from Blizzard And some of the EVO Chinese players, only had 1 month and a half (42 days basically) from winning the qualifier in China then traveling and playing in the US for the tournament Right, which is longer than Jim from the day he qualified for the round of 16. He can’t request a visa if he “might have to go”. He requested an emergency meeting to get the visa approved and they set the appointment once he had proof as to why he was going to the US. They have a new meeting in 4 days (July 30, 2013) and maybe it will get approved then. I don’t know why this is shocking for you. People have stated that students to are accepted to US colleges get their visas denied as well. It isn’t a sure thing. I dont know exactly what the China EVO players said to get their visas, but it was probably that they were going to Evolution to watch/play videogamesThe EVO Chinese didnt need a letter, they just did the process very early (since its first come first serve) So why couldnt Jim/Macsed apply earlier for visa with the same idea? Tell them going to MLG Manhattan to watch/play videogames God damn it, they can, but they might get denied due to the short notice. In general, if you want to travel to another country and you need to go there RIGHT FUCKING NOW, there is a chance you might be denied a visa. And if your reason is, "I'm gunna play video games," it might not help. So you agree that doing it on short notice is a problem? thats the whole point of my original post and subsequent posts in this thread why not do visa very early, just like the CHINA EVOLUTION players (didnt need any invitation letter), who are going to US to watch/play videogames at MLG studios you can watch the RO 16, might not get to play, but anyone can go simple as that
paying for plane tickets and visa application fees when you wont be playing (or dont know whether you will be playing) is cost prohibitive for some people (and, arguably, unfair). its not a good system.
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On July 27 2013 04:15 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 03:55 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:49 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:34 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:30 farvacola wrote:On July 27 2013 03:29 mikumegurine wrote:Each year Evolution (videogame tournament) happens in US, many Chinese people come to play video games eLivePro.Qanba|Dakou eLive|Xiao Hai Da Kou Cfg Xiao Zhe and other Chinese such as ones who came from the China qualifiers for Evo2013 http://www.17utt.com/2013/0603/16321.htmlThese players from China got visa to come over here and play videogames at Evolution tournament some how how then, since you guys say its impossible? Cant be cause of age, cause these guys vary from 17-28s, and Macsed is 25 (Macsed has visa problem just like Jim) These Chinese probably did not need a invitation letter either, besides ANYONE can go MLG Studios in Manhattan for Round of 16 WCS NA, either as audience/player How did all these Chinese, each year, somehow get visas to travel to US to play at Evolution Videogame tournament? Because EVO's date is set much more in advance, and a few months can make all the difference when it comes to procuring visas. It really is that simple. WCS NA ro 16 was set in advance too, you could get the dates directly from Blizzard And some of the EVO Chinese players, only had 1 month and a half (42 days basically) from winning the qualifier in China then traveling and playing in the US for the tournament Right, which is longer than Jim from the day he qualified for the round of 16. He can’t request a visa if he “might have to go”. He requested an emergency meeting to get the visa approved and they set the appointment once he had proof as to why he was going to the US. They have a new meeting in 4 days (July 30, 2013) and maybe it will get approved then. I don’t know why this is shocking for you. People have stated that students to are accepted to US colleges get their visas denied as well. It isn’t a sure thing. I dont know exactly what the China EVO players said to get their visas, but it was probably that they were going to Evolution to watch/play videogamesThe EVO Chinese didnt need a letter, they just did the process very early (since its first come first serve) So why couldnt Jim/Macsed apply earlier for visa with the same idea? Tell them going to MLG Manhattan to watch/play videogames God damn it, they can, but they might get denied due to the short notice. In general, if you want to travel to another country and you need to go there RIGHT FUCKING NOW, there is a chance you might be denied a visa. And if your reason is, "I'm gunna play video games," it might not help. So you agree that doing it on short notice is a problem? thats the whole point of my original post and subsequent posts in this thread why not do visa very early, just like the CHINA EVOLUTION players (didnt need any invitation letter), who are going to US to watch/play videogames at MLG studios you can watch the RO 16, might not get to play, but anyone can go simple as that paying for plane tickets and visa application fees when you wont be playing (or dont know whether you will be playing) is cost prohibitive for some people (and, arguably, unfair). its not a good system.
Yes its cost prohibitive and surely unfair, but when this is a once of a lifetime event, a $150 consulate fee + $200 plane ticket cancellation fee (and trying as ridiculous early as possible) is no biggie dont you think?
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On July 27 2013 04:15 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 03:55 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:49 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:34 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:30 farvacola wrote:On July 27 2013 03:29 mikumegurine wrote:Each year Evolution (videogame tournament) happens in US, many Chinese people come to play video games eLivePro.Qanba|Dakou eLive|Xiao Hai Da Kou Cfg Xiao Zhe and other Chinese such as ones who came from the China qualifiers for Evo2013 http://www.17utt.com/2013/0603/16321.htmlThese players from China got visa to come over here and play videogames at Evolution tournament some how how then, since you guys say its impossible? Cant be cause of age, cause these guys vary from 17-28s, and Macsed is 25 (Macsed has visa problem just like Jim) These Chinese probably did not need a invitation letter either, besides ANYONE can go MLG Studios in Manhattan for Round of 16 WCS NA, either as audience/player How did all these Chinese, each year, somehow get visas to travel to US to play at Evolution Videogame tournament? Because EVO's date is set much more in advance, and a few months can make all the difference when it comes to procuring visas. It really is that simple. WCS NA ro 16 was set in advance too, you could get the dates directly from Blizzard And some of the EVO Chinese players, only had 1 month and a half (42 days basically) from winning the qualifier in China then traveling and playing in the US for the tournament Right, which is longer than Jim from the day he qualified for the round of 16. He can’t request a visa if he “might have to go”. He requested an emergency meeting to get the visa approved and they set the appointment once he had proof as to why he was going to the US. They have a new meeting in 4 days (July 30, 2013) and maybe it will get approved then. I don’t know why this is shocking for you. People have stated that students to are accepted to US colleges get their visas denied as well. It isn’t a sure thing. I dont know exactly what the China EVO players said to get their visas, but it was probably that they were going to Evolution to watch/play videogamesThe EVO Chinese didnt need a letter, they just did the process very early (since its first come first serve) So why couldnt Jim/Macsed apply earlier for visa with the same idea? Tell them going to MLG Manhattan to watch/play videogames God damn it, they can, but they might get denied due to the short notice. In general, if you want to travel to another country and you need to go there RIGHT FUCKING NOW, there is a chance you might be denied a visa. And if your reason is, "I'm gunna play video games," it might not help. So you agree that doing it on short notice is a problem? thats the whole point of my original post and subsequent posts in this thread why not do visa very early, just like the CHINA EVOLUTION players (didnt need any invitation letter), who are going to US to watch/play videogames at MLG studios you can watch the RO 16, might not get to play, but anyone can go simple as that paying for plane tickets and visa application fees when you wont be playing (or dont know whether you will be playing) is cost prohibitive for some people (and, arguably, unfair). its not a good system.
Could you even get a visa if you didn't know the exact dates you were going to compete? I was under the impression that when you got a visa you needed to state when you intented to enter the country and when you intented to leave.
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On July 27 2013 04:18 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:15 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 27 2013 03:55 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:49 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:34 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:30 farvacola wrote:On July 27 2013 03:29 mikumegurine wrote:Each year Evolution (videogame tournament) happens in US, many Chinese people come to play video games eLivePro.Qanba|Dakou eLive|Xiao Hai Da Kou Cfg Xiao Zhe and other Chinese such as ones who came from the China qualifiers for Evo2013 http://www.17utt.com/2013/0603/16321.htmlThese players from China got visa to come over here and play videogames at Evolution tournament some how how then, since you guys say its impossible? Cant be cause of age, cause these guys vary from 17-28s, and Macsed is 25 (Macsed has visa problem just like Jim) These Chinese probably did not need a invitation letter either, besides ANYONE can go MLG Studios in Manhattan for Round of 16 WCS NA, either as audience/player How did all these Chinese, each year, somehow get visas to travel to US to play at Evolution Videogame tournament? Because EVO's date is set much more in advance, and a few months can make all the difference when it comes to procuring visas. It really is that simple. WCS NA ro 16 was set in advance too, you could get the dates directly from Blizzard And some of the EVO Chinese players, only had 1 month and a half (42 days basically) from winning the qualifier in China then traveling and playing in the US for the tournament Right, which is longer than Jim from the day he qualified for the round of 16. He can’t request a visa if he “might have to go”. He requested an emergency meeting to get the visa approved and they set the appointment once he had proof as to why he was going to the US. They have a new meeting in 4 days (July 30, 2013) and maybe it will get approved then. I don’t know why this is shocking for you. People have stated that students to are accepted to US colleges get their visas denied as well. It isn’t a sure thing. I dont know exactly what the China EVO players said to get their visas, but it was probably that they were going to Evolution to watch/play videogamesThe EVO Chinese didnt need a letter, they just did the process very early (since its first come first serve) So why couldnt Jim/Macsed apply earlier for visa with the same idea? Tell them going to MLG Manhattan to watch/play videogames God damn it, they can, but they might get denied due to the short notice. In general, if you want to travel to another country and you need to go there RIGHT FUCKING NOW, there is a chance you might be denied a visa. And if your reason is, "I'm gunna play video games," it might not help. So you agree that doing it on short notice is a problem? thats the whole point of my original post and subsequent posts in this thread why not do visa very early, just like the CHINA EVOLUTION players (didnt need any invitation letter), who are going to US to watch/play videogames at MLG studios you can watch the RO 16, might not get to play, but anyone can go simple as that paying for plane tickets and visa application fees when you wont be playing (or dont know whether you will be playing) is cost prohibitive for some people (and, arguably, unfair). its not a good system. Yes its cost prohibitive and surely unfair, but when this is a once of a lifetime event, a $150 consulate fee + $200 plane ticket cancellation fee (and trying as ridiculous early as possible) is no biggie dont you think?
thats why i said arguably unfair. for me, $350 doesnt matter given the context, but i doubt Jim and other Chinese are in a similar financial situation that they can do this repeatedly or even once. i am not going to cry for them, but i will say it sucks that he cant come. same with the IEM thing, he left in the middle of the tournament. I am not going to cry for him, but i will say it sucks they werent able to make accommodations for him especially since he is chinese and this is china IEM.
i am not sure you and i are disagreeing as i originally thought. your point is that they could have applied really early (i.e., before they even knew they were qualified) and less likely to have these timing issues. i assume that is correct--i say assume because i dont know whether they actually need a letter from Blizzard to come.
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On July 27 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:15 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 27 2013 03:55 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:49 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:34 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:30 farvacola wrote:On July 27 2013 03:29 mikumegurine wrote:Each year Evolution (videogame tournament) happens in US, many Chinese people come to play video games eLivePro.Qanba|Dakou eLive|Xiao Hai Da Kou Cfg Xiao Zhe and other Chinese such as ones who came from the China qualifiers for Evo2013 http://www.17utt.com/2013/0603/16321.htmlThese players from China got visa to come over here and play videogames at Evolution tournament some how how then, since you guys say its impossible? Cant be cause of age, cause these guys vary from 17-28s, and Macsed is 25 (Macsed has visa problem just like Jim) These Chinese probably did not need a invitation letter either, besides ANYONE can go MLG Studios in Manhattan for Round of 16 WCS NA, either as audience/player How did all these Chinese, each year, somehow get visas to travel to US to play at Evolution Videogame tournament? Because EVO's date is set much more in advance, and a few months can make all the difference when it comes to procuring visas. It really is that simple. WCS NA ro 16 was set in advance too, you could get the dates directly from Blizzard And some of the EVO Chinese players, only had 1 month and a half (42 days basically) from winning the qualifier in China then traveling and playing in the US for the tournament Right, which is longer than Jim from the day he qualified for the round of 16. He can’t request a visa if he “might have to go”. He requested an emergency meeting to get the visa approved and they set the appointment once he had proof as to why he was going to the US. They have a new meeting in 4 days (July 30, 2013) and maybe it will get approved then. I don’t know why this is shocking for you. People have stated that students to are accepted to US colleges get their visas denied as well. It isn’t a sure thing. I dont know exactly what the China EVO players said to get their visas, but it was probably that they were going to Evolution to watch/play videogamesThe EVO Chinese didnt need a letter, they just did the process very early (since its first come first serve) So why couldnt Jim/Macsed apply earlier for visa with the same idea? Tell them going to MLG Manhattan to watch/play videogames God damn it, they can, but they might get denied due to the short notice. In general, if you want to travel to another country and you need to go there RIGHT FUCKING NOW, there is a chance you might be denied a visa. And if your reason is, "I'm gunna play video games," it might not help. So you agree that doing it on short notice is a problem? thats the whole point of my original post and subsequent posts in this thread why not do visa very early, just like the CHINA EVOLUTION players (didnt need any invitation letter), who are going to US to watch/play videogames at MLG studios you can watch the RO 16, might not get to play, but anyone can go simple as that paying for plane tickets and visa application fees when you wont be playing (or dont know whether you will be playing) is cost prohibitive for some people (and, arguably, unfair). its not a good system. Could you even get a visa if you didn't know the exact dates you were going to compete? I was under the impression that when you got a visa you needed to state when you intented to enter the country and when you intented to leave.
well when you intemd to leave is the most important part the look at
visas are good for staying in US for atleast 90 days, if the coach contacted Blizzard, im sure they would have given the planned dates ahead or time (with a 3 month leeway...)?
also, not sure of course but maybe? they shouldnt need a letter, cause of all those China EVO players who come to US to watch/play videogames and they are without a letter
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
In terms of a solution to this issue, is granting China a WCS region viable/desirable for you folks?
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On July 27 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:15 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 27 2013 03:55 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:49 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:34 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:30 farvacola wrote:On July 27 2013 03:29 mikumegurine wrote:Each year Evolution (videogame tournament) happens in US, many Chinese people come to play video games eLivePro.Qanba|Dakou eLive|Xiao Hai Da Kou Cfg Xiao Zhe and other Chinese such as ones who came from the China qualifiers for Evo2013 http://www.17utt.com/2013/0603/16321.htmlThese players from China got visa to come over here and play videogames at Evolution tournament some how how then, since you guys say its impossible? Cant be cause of age, cause these guys vary from 17-28s, and Macsed is 25 (Macsed has visa problem just like Jim) These Chinese probably did not need a invitation letter either, besides ANYONE can go MLG Studios in Manhattan for Round of 16 WCS NA, either as audience/player How did all these Chinese, each year, somehow get visas to travel to US to play at Evolution Videogame tournament? Because EVO's date is set much more in advance, and a few months can make all the difference when it comes to procuring visas. It really is that simple. WCS NA ro 16 was set in advance too, you could get the dates directly from Blizzard And some of the EVO Chinese players, only had 1 month and a half (42 days basically) from winning the qualifier in China then traveling and playing in the US for the tournament Right, which is longer than Jim from the day he qualified for the round of 16. He can’t request a visa if he “might have to go”. He requested an emergency meeting to get the visa approved and they set the appointment once he had proof as to why he was going to the US. They have a new meeting in 4 days (July 30, 2013) and maybe it will get approved then. I don’t know why this is shocking for you. People have stated that students to are accepted to US colleges get their visas denied as well. It isn’t a sure thing. I dont know exactly what the China EVO players said to get their visas, but it was probably that they were going to Evolution to watch/play videogamesThe EVO Chinese didnt need a letter, they just did the process very early (since its first come first serve) So why couldnt Jim/Macsed apply earlier for visa with the same idea? Tell them going to MLG Manhattan to watch/play videogames God damn it, they can, but they might get denied due to the short notice. In general, if you want to travel to another country and you need to go there RIGHT FUCKING NOW, there is a chance you might be denied a visa. And if your reason is, "I'm gunna play video games," it might not help. So you agree that doing it on short notice is a problem? thats the whole point of my original post and subsequent posts in this thread why not do visa very early, just like the CHINA EVOLUTION players (didnt need any invitation letter), who are going to US to watch/play videogames at MLG studios you can watch the RO 16, might not get to play, but anyone can go simple as that paying for plane tickets and visa application fees when you wont be playing (or dont know whether you will be playing) is cost prohibitive for some people (and, arguably, unfair). its not a good system. Could you even get a visa if you didn't know the exact dates you were going to compete? I was under the impression that when you got a visa you needed to state when you intented to enter the country and when you intented to leave.
i actually do not know. is this considered business? if so, you need a b1 at the least. if not, there may be a visa waiver program for china (not sure about this) or you can do the b2 tourist visa.
of course, you can always come in on a tourist visa, do the tournament and leave, but if that is improper and they find out (unlikely) you may be red flagged for future travel.
edit: china is not part of the visa waiver program.
http://www.ustraveldocs.com/cn/cn-niv-visawaiverinfo.asp
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On July 27 2013 04:24 Wombat_NI wrote:
In terms of a solution to this issue, is granting China a WCS region viable/desirable for you folks?
well i duno if a new entire region is feasible
also what about the world WCS finals then? that would have o be moved to China as well to accommodate any Chinese that make it that far...
I would say one thing to try is to set event dates, many many months beforehand in stone (like EVOLUTION tournament, its usually always occurs the same month each year)
And somehjow make WCS NA as easy to travel to as EVO is
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On July 27 2013 04:26 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 04:15 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 27 2013 03:55 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:49 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:34 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:30 farvacola wrote:On July 27 2013 03:29 mikumegurine wrote:Each year Evolution (videogame tournament) happens in US, many Chinese people come to play video games eLivePro.Qanba|Dakou eLive|Xiao Hai Da Kou Cfg Xiao Zhe and other Chinese such as ones who came from the China qualifiers for Evo2013 http://www.17utt.com/2013/0603/16321.htmlThese players from China got visa to come over here and play videogames at Evolution tournament some how how then, since you guys say its impossible? Cant be cause of age, cause these guys vary from 17-28s, and Macsed is 25 (Macsed has visa problem just like Jim) These Chinese probably did not need a invitation letter either, besides ANYONE can go MLG Studios in Manhattan for Round of 16 WCS NA, either as audience/player How did all these Chinese, each year, somehow get visas to travel to US to play at Evolution Videogame tournament? Because EVO's date is set much more in advance, and a few months can make all the difference when it comes to procuring visas. It really is that simple. WCS NA ro 16 was set in advance too, you could get the dates directly from Blizzard And some of the EVO Chinese players, only had 1 month and a half (42 days basically) from winning the qualifier in China then traveling and playing in the US for the tournament Right, which is longer than Jim from the day he qualified for the round of 16. He can’t request a visa if he “might have to go”. He requested an emergency meeting to get the visa approved and they set the appointment once he had proof as to why he was going to the US. They have a new meeting in 4 days (July 30, 2013) and maybe it will get approved then. I don’t know why this is shocking for you. People have stated that students to are accepted to US colleges get their visas denied as well. It isn’t a sure thing. I dont know exactly what the China EVO players said to get their visas, but it was probably that they were going to Evolution to watch/play videogamesThe EVO Chinese didnt need a letter, they just did the process very early (since its first come first serve) So why couldnt Jim/Macsed apply earlier for visa with the same idea? Tell them going to MLG Manhattan to watch/play videogames God damn it, they can, but they might get denied due to the short notice. In general, if you want to travel to another country and you need to go there RIGHT FUCKING NOW, there is a chance you might be denied a visa. And if your reason is, "I'm gunna play video games," it might not help. So you agree that doing it on short notice is a problem? thats the whole point of my original post and subsequent posts in this thread why not do visa very early, just like the CHINA EVOLUTION players (didnt need any invitation letter), who are going to US to watch/play videogames at MLG studios you can watch the RO 16, might not get to play, but anyone can go simple as that paying for plane tickets and visa application fees when you wont be playing (or dont know whether you will be playing) is cost prohibitive for some people (and, arguably, unfair). its not a good system. Could you even get a visa if you didn't know the exact dates you were going to compete? I was under the impression that when you got a visa you needed to state when you intented to enter the country and when you intented to leave. i actually do not know. is this considered business? if so, you need a b1 at the least. if not, there may be a visa waiver program for china (not sure about this) or you can do the b2 tourist visa. of course, you can always come in on a tourist visa, do the tournament and leave, but if that is improper and they find out (unlikely) you may be red flagged for future travel. edit: china is not part of the visa waiver program. http://www.ustraveldocs.com/cn/cn-niv-visawaiverinfo.asp
I have a friend who's father who is a banker from Bangladesh and does work in the US and they give him such a hard time getting a business visa. I can't imagine that a SC2 player could get one easily or provide sufficient proof that they were a business that the USCIS would accept.
And your right that the worst thing the players could do is lie. One fo the first questions they ask you is "do you intent to work or make money during your stay?"
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wow kinda fucked up
they had to disqualify him because they didnt follow the schedule but they were already behind and off the schedule to begin with
what a bunch of BS
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On July 27 2013 04:52 AllHailTheDead wrote:
wow kinda fucked up
they had to disqualify him because they didnt follow the schedule but they were already behind and off the schedule to begin with
what a bunch of BS
and as compensation, they give him a seed on a IEM tournament later on, which they already know he has visa travelling issues with
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On July 27 2013 04:23 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:18 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 04:15 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 27 2013 03:55 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:53 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:49 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:41 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2013 03:34 mikumegurine wrote:On July 27 2013 03:30 farvacola wrote:On July 27 2013 03:29 mikumegurine wrote:Each year Evolution (videogame tournament) happens in US, many Chinese people come to play video games eLivePro.Qanba|Dakou eLive|Xiao Hai Da Kou Cfg Xiao Zhe and other Chinese such as ones who came from the China qualifiers for Evo2013 http://www.17utt.com/2013/0603/16321.htmlThese players from China got visa to come over here and play videogames at Evolution tournament some how how then, since you guys say its impossible? Cant be cause of age, cause these guys vary from 17-28s, and Macsed is 25 (Macsed has visa problem just like Jim) These Chinese probably did not need a invitation letter either, besides ANYONE can go MLG Studios in Manhattan for Round of 16 WCS NA, either as audience/player How did all these Chinese, each year, somehow get visas to travel to US to play at Evolution Videogame tournament? Because EVO's date is set much more in advance, and a few months can make all the difference when it comes to procuring visas. It really is that simple. WCS NA ro 16 was set in advance too, you could get the dates directly from Blizzard And some of the EVO Chinese players, only had 1 month and a half (42 days basically) from winning the qualifier in China then traveling and playing in the US for the tournament Right, which is longer than Jim from the day he qualified for the round of 16. He can’t request a visa if he “might have to go”. He requested an emergency meeting to get the visa approved and they set the appointment once he had proof as to why he was going to the US. They have a new meeting in 4 days (July 30, 2013) and maybe it will get approved then. I don’t know why this is shocking for you. People have stated that students to are accepted to US colleges get their visas denied as well. It isn’t a sure thing. I dont know exactly what the China EVO players said to get their visas, but it was probably that they were going to Evolution to watch/play videogamesThe EVO Chinese didnt need a letter, they just did the process very early (since its first come first serve) So why couldnt Jim/Macsed apply earlier for visa with the same idea? Tell them going to MLG Manhattan to watch/play videogames God damn it, they can, but they might get denied due to the short notice. In general, if you want to travel to another country and you need to go there RIGHT FUCKING NOW, there is a chance you might be denied a visa. And if your reason is, "I'm gunna play video games," it might not help. So you agree that doing it on short notice is a problem? thats the whole point of my original post and subsequent posts in this thread why not do visa very early, just like the CHINA EVOLUTION players (didnt need any invitation letter), who are going to US to watch/play videogames at MLG studios you can watch the RO 16, might not get to play, but anyone can go simple as that paying for plane tickets and visa application fees when you wont be playing (or dont know whether you will be playing) is cost prohibitive for some people (and, arguably, unfair). its not a good system. Could you even get a visa if you didn't know the exact dates you were going to compete? I was under the impression that when you got a visa you needed to state when you intented to enter the country and when you intented to leave. well when you intemd to leave is the most important part the look at visas are good for staying in US for atleast 90 days, if the coach contacted Blizzard, im sure they would have given the planned dates ahead or time (with a 3 month leeway...)? also, not sure of course but maybe? they shouldnt need a letter, cause of all those China EVO players who come to US to watch/play videogames and they are without a letter
China is not part of the waiver program, so they do not get the 90 day visas you are referencing, FYI. Their visas are likely more restrictive and open ended.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html
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On July 27 2013 04:34 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:24 Wombat_NI wrote:
In terms of a solution to this issue, is granting China a WCS region viable/desirable for you folks? well i duno if a new entire region is feasible also what about the world WCS finals then? that would have o be moved to China as well to accommodate any Chinese that make it that far... I would say one thing to try is to set event dates, many many months beforehand in stone (like EVOLUTION tournament, its usually always occurs the same month each year) And somehjow make WCS NA as easy to travel to as EVO is
Doesn't have to move the WCS finals to china. Moving it out of the US would be enough, I think (US visas are harder to get than for most other occidental countries).
Having fixed dates won't change the fact that people don't know if they'll get that far in the tournament, and for how long they'll need to be there.
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On July 27 2013 04:55 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 04:52 AllHailTheDead wrote:
wow kinda fucked up
they had to disqualify him because they didnt follow the schedule but they were already behind and off the schedule to begin with
what a bunch of BS and as compensation, they give him a seed on a IEM tournament later on, which they already know he has visa travelling issues with
Actually they don't even give him a seed on the next IEM tournament, but an invitation to the qualifier of the next IEM..... Funny enough, huh?
Even they give Jim a seed on the next tournament, it does not help since Jim will not get his visa... a huh. Smart decision.
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On July 27 2013 00:17 Orlandu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 00:05 baubo wrote:On July 26 2013 18:36 Orlandu wrote:
Finally, I just want to point out that plenty of Chinese that DON'T have family in the U.S. have no trouble traveling there for short times, even for work. There are a lot of factors involved, but the most important ones are that you can show you have money and/or a stable job, and that you have a reason to return to China. If you give them any reason to question those things, or if you're unclear about what exactly your purpose is, don't be surprised if you get denied. It's unfortunate, but consider all of the factors at play before you get too up into arms over the issue. Ah, good ole American Xenophobia. Isn't this the reason why we're building higher border fences at the Mexican border and trying to weed out any illegal immigrant hoping to clean our restrooms and pick our fruits? It's the American way to look at a teenage kid, not even old enough to smoke or drink legally, asking to work in the US for a weekend tournament, and think, "Hmm... do I want to risk this kid staying in the US long term, playing SC2, and taking the jobs of hard working American SC2 players? I mean, I know that he can't actually get his tournament winnings without having a valid visa and all that, so there shouldn't be any reason why he would stay in the US beyond the tournament... But ya never know! Can't take the chance! I mean look at him. He looks nervous. I bet he has something to hide. Nevermind he's 16 and probably doesn't talk to a lot of Americans in his everyday life. He's probably trying to weasel his way into the glory land that is the USA and spend the rest of his life there washing dishes and busing tables." Visa Rejected! You sound as if you have a very liberal view of how things should work in the world. If you really think that's xenophobia, you badly need to go out into the world and see for yourself what it's like out there (just for reference, if you want to bring up the subject of xenophobia, the U.S. is nowhere close to China regarding that topic). Ideally, you may be right that people should just be allowed to go wherever, but in reality things aren't that simple. What would you suggest, then? That all of the thousands of Chinese trying to go over to the U.S. every single day, many of whom have much better reasons and support for going to the U.S. than a young StarCraft 2 player who doesn't even have a personal guardian guaranteeing responsibility for him if he overstays or breaks the law (Blizzard does NOT count), should all be granted their visas? If only the world could be so simple. You're confusing xenophobia with something entirely different. It's not the fault of the U.S. immigration officers that some people in the world don't understand that countries simply can't handle the type of massive immigration that so many people in the world expect to be able to do when it comes to the U.S.. You really, really need to live outside of the U.S. for a few years if you truly believe everything you wrote. EDIT: For the record, if you're really familiar with China as your location might imply, you'd know that despite your sarcasm, that's exactly what many people DO try to do (push the boundaries of the law and/or stay illegally), especially in China, as for many Chinese it's an obsessive dream.
I'm not sure why this became a US vs. China thing. Since I'm not talking about China, nor do I care since it's not an American unable to get a work visa in China here.
You said the standard of the US Embassy is to check how likely a person is going to return to China and not stay in the US. Which I quite happen to agree based on what my friends and co-workers tell me. Well, can you tell me any reason why Jim would stay in the US beyond the tournament?
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On July 27 2013 09:29 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 00:17 Orlandu wrote:On July 27 2013 00:05 baubo wrote:On July 26 2013 18:36 Orlandu wrote:
Finally, I just want to point out that plenty of Chinese that DON'T have family in the U.S. have no trouble traveling there for short times, even for work. There are a lot of factors involved, but the most important ones are that you can show you have money and/or a stable job, and that you have a reason to return to China. If you give them any reason to question those things, or if you're unclear about what exactly your purpose is, don't be surprised if you get denied. It's unfortunate, but consider all of the factors at play before you get too up into arms over the issue. Ah, good ole American Xenophobia. Isn't this the reason why we're building higher border fences at the Mexican border and trying to weed out any illegal immigrant hoping to clean our restrooms and pick our fruits? It's the American way to look at a teenage kid, not even old enough to smoke or drink legally, asking to work in the US for a weekend tournament, and think, "Hmm... do I want to risk this kid staying in the US long term, playing SC2, and taking the jobs of hard working American SC2 players? I mean, I know that he can't actually get his tournament winnings without having a valid visa and all that, so there shouldn't be any reason why he would stay in the US beyond the tournament... But ya never know! Can't take the chance! I mean look at him. He looks nervous. I bet he has something to hide. Nevermind he's 16 and probably doesn't talk to a lot of Americans in his everyday life. He's probably trying to weasel his way into the glory land that is the USA and spend the rest of his life there washing dishes and busing tables." Visa Rejected! You sound as if you have a very liberal view of how things should work in the world. If you really think that's xenophobia, you badly need to go out into the world and see for yourself what it's like out there (just for reference, if you want to bring up the subject of xenophobia, the U.S. is nowhere close to China regarding that topic). Ideally, you may be right that people should just be allowed to go wherever, but in reality things aren't that simple. What would you suggest, then? That all of the thousands of Chinese trying to go over to the U.S. every single day, many of whom have much better reasons and support for going to the U.S. than a young StarCraft 2 player who doesn't even have a personal guardian guaranteeing responsibility for him if he overstays or breaks the law (Blizzard does NOT count), should all be granted their visas? If only the world could be so simple. You're confusing xenophobia with something entirely different. It's not the fault of the U.S. immigration officers that some people in the world don't understand that countries simply can't handle the type of massive immigration that so many people in the world expect to be able to do when it comes to the U.S.. You really, really need to live outside of the U.S. for a few years if you truly believe everything you wrote. EDIT: For the record, if you're really familiar with China as your location might imply, you'd know that despite your sarcasm, that's exactly what many people DO try to do (push the boundaries of the law and/or stay illegally), especially in China, as for many Chinese it's an obsessive dream. I'm not sure why this became a US vs. China thing. Since I'm not talking about China, nor do I care since it's not an American unable to get a work visa in China here. You said the standard of the US Embassy is to check how likely a person is going to return to China and not stay in the US. Which I quite happen to agree based on what my friends and co-workers tell me. Well, can you tell me any reason why Jim would stay in the US beyond the tournament?
same reason most of the people who apply for permanent residency want to get to the US: better opportunities.
not sure this applies to Jim, but that is the reason they are so strict with chinese visas.
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On July 27 2013 02:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 02:04 dacimvrl wrote:On July 26 2013 22:16 Fischbacher wrote:On July 26 2013 21:23 dacimvrl wrote:On July 26 2013 21:19 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
I know it would never happen and to be honest this problem is not just a US thing, but it seems like a pretty good reason to host wcs America elsewhere. well, Riot has been pretty successful with pushing VISA for LoL players.. Yes, Blizzard, I am staring at you! I'm getting tired of posting this, but here goes nothing: the visa Riot is getting for LoL players is a work visa that allows athletes to work (play) for an American-based organization. It works for Riot since all the LCS teams are essentially employed by Riot and stay in the US for months at a time. This kind of visa would only work for Blizzard if 1. they wanted to start paying all the player's salaries and 2. wanted all the players in WCS AM to live in the US permanently. It has nothing to do with Jim not being able to get a visa. I'm sorry, this is obviously and completely wrong lol.. 1. you don't need to pay all the players' salaries, and 2, you don't need to have the players in WCS AM to live in the US permanently lol No, you are 100% wrong: Here is a list of requirements needed to get the P1 visa Riot players have: Show nested quote +
Supporting Documents
The Form I-129 must include the following documents:
A written consultation from an appropriate labor organization
A copy of the contract with a major U.S. sports league or team or a contract in an individual sport commensurate with international recognition in the sport, if such contracts are normally utilized in the sport
An explanation of the event and itinerary
Documentation of at least two of the following:
Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in a prior season with a major United States sports league
Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in international competition with a national team
Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in a prior season for a U.S. college or university in intercollegiate competition
A written statement from an official of a major U.S. sports league or an official of the governing body of the sport which details how you or your team is internationally recognized
A written statement from a member of the sports media or a recognized expert in the sport which details how you or your team is internationally recognized
Evidence that you or your team is ranked, if the sport has international rankings
Evidence that you or your team has received a significant honor or award in the sport
You will notice the part where it says "a copy of a contract" is a requirement to get the Visa. Contracts require consideration, or payment, to be valid. This means the players MUST be paid by the major US sports league to receive the Visa. People have already gone over this several times in this thread. Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 01:59 dacimvrl wrote:On July 26 2013 21:43 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2013 21:23 dacimvrl wrote:On July 26 2013 21:19 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
I know it would never happen and to be honest this problem is not just a US thing, but it seems like a pretty good reason to host wcs America elsewhere. well, Riot has been pretty successful with pushing VISA for LoL players.. Yes, Blizzard, I am staring at you! There are like 15 pages in this thread explaining why that is not possible for Blizzard unless they want to employ every player in SC2. And there was nothing wrong with the invitation from Blizzard. Blizzard had NOTHING to do with this. straight from the article: "And most unfortunately, because Blizzard's invitation letter problem, the Visa was denied. " "And most unfortunately, because Blizzard's invitation letter problem, the Visa was denied. " "And most unfortunately, because Blizzard's invitation letter problem, the Visa was denied. " And how is it not possible for Blizzard to do the same? Riot sponsors every team, so why can't Blizzard sponsor the professional teams as well? That isn't Blizzard's fault. I doubt they wrote the invitation letter to meet the specific requirements for every player to get a visa in every country. There could be any number of problems that Blizzard would not be aware of, including it not being dated or being to vague.
wow, you couldn't be more blatantly false with your whole interpretation of the thing and the contract part........
like, you should maybe look up what makes a contract legal, you know, it might help your argument
and the other part is just plain stupid....... wow.. you amaze me
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