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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2013 01:08 GMT
#501
On July 27 2013 09:52 dacimvrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 02:10 Plansix wrote:
On July 27 2013 02:04 dacimvrl wrote:
On July 26 2013 22:16 Fischbacher wrote:
On July 26 2013 21:23 dacimvrl wrote:
On July 26 2013 21:19 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
I know it would never happen and to be honest this problem is not just a US thing, but it seems like a pretty good reason to host wcs America elsewhere.


well, Riot has been pretty successful with pushing VISA for LoL players..

Yes, Blizzard, I am staring at you!

I'm getting tired of posting this, but here goes nothing: the visa Riot is getting for LoL players is a work visa that allows athletes to work (play) for an American-based organization. It works for Riot since all the LCS teams are essentially employed by Riot and stay in the US for months at a time.

This kind of visa would only work for Blizzard if 1. they wanted to start paying all the player's salaries and 2. wanted all the players in WCS AM to live in the US permanently. It has nothing to do with Jim not being able to get a visa.


I'm sorry, this is obviously and completely wrong lol.. 1. you don't need to pay all the players' salaries, and 2, you don't need to have the players in WCS AM to live in the US permanently lol

No, you are 100% wrong:

Here is a list of requirements needed to get the P1 visa Riot players have:


Supporting Documents
The Form I-129 must include the following documents:

A written consultation from an appropriate labor organization
A copy of the contract with a major U.S. sports league or team or a contract in an individual sport commensurate with international recognition in the sport, if such contracts are normally utilized in the sport
An explanation of the event and itinerary

Documentation of at least two of the following:
Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in a prior season with a major United States sports league
Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in international competition with a national team
Evidence of having participated to a significant extent in a prior season for a U.S. college or university in intercollegiate competition
A written statement from an official of a major U.S. sports league or an official of the governing body of the sport which details how you or your team is internationally recognized
A written statement from a member of the sports media or a recognized expert in the sport which details how you or your team is internationally recognized
Evidence that you or your team is ranked, if the sport has international rankings
Evidence that you or your team has received a significant honor or award in the sport


You will notice the part where it says "a copy of a contract" is a requirement to get the Visa. Contracts require consideration, or payment, to be valid. This means the players MUST be paid by the major US sports league to receive the Visa. People have already gone over this several times in this thread.

On July 27 2013 01:59 dacimvrl wrote:
On July 26 2013 21:43 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2013 21:23 dacimvrl wrote:
On July 26 2013 21:19 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
I know it would never happen and to be honest this problem is not just a US thing, but it seems like a pretty good reason to host wcs America elsewhere.


well, Riot has been pretty successful with pushing VISA for LoL players..

Yes, Blizzard, I am staring at you!

There are like 15 pages in this thread explaining why that is not possible for Blizzard unless they want to employ every player in SC2. And there was nothing wrong with the invitation from Blizzard. Blizzard had NOTHING to do with this.


straight from the article:
"And most unfortunately, because Blizzard's invitation letter problem, the Visa was denied. "
"And most unfortunately, because Blizzard's invitation letter problem, the Visa was denied. "
"And most unfortunately, because Blizzard's invitation letter problem, the Visa was denied. "

And how is it not possible for Blizzard to do the same? Riot sponsors every team, so why can't Blizzard sponsor the professional teams as well?


That isn't Blizzard's fault. I doubt they wrote the invitation letter to meet the specific requirements for every player to get a visa in every country. There could be any number of problems that Blizzard would not be aware of, including it not being dated or being to vague.


wow, you couldn't be more blatantly false with your whole interpretation of the thing and the contract part........

like, you should maybe look up what makes a contract legal, you know, it might help your argument

and the other part is just plain stupid....... wow.. you amaze me

That is the legal definition of a contract. When one agrees to provide a service or service(playing starcraft) for consideration(being paid). That is not my interpretation at all, it is simply fact.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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tomsKa
Profile Joined July 2012
United States39 Posts
July 27 2013 01:24 GMT
#502
Poor Jim.

But seriously this is a semi-reason for enforcing geographic restrictions for this kind of tournaments. Not to say "American tournaments for Americans", but stuff like this happens and someone always gets stiffed.
Also, blizzard paying every team just to fix these issues seems like a lot of resources used poorly. Riot will do what riot will do, blizzard is not as involved and that is their decision to make.
Yolo SCV pulls too stronk
Ry2D2
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States429 Posts
July 27 2013 01:26 GMT
#503
Sad that he got DQ'd from IEM and even sadder if he can't make it to the WCS Am Ro16. One of the things that really sucks about no region locking is good players from China or Korea for example can take spots in WCS Am and then not be able to attend due to these issues. I hope he and the other chinese players can actually attend because otherwise they are occupying spots from other players who may have been able to attend and thats not good for anyone. :I
Angelavenger
Profile Joined March 2012
United States59 Posts
July 27 2013 02:09 GMT
#504
I'm so sad for this. I really love Jim's play and was looking forward to seeing how far he'd go. I hope things get ironed out soon. I really hope they don't give their spots away.
joelee1995
Profile Joined July 2013
China2 Posts
July 28 2013 05:53 GMT
#505
Just to tell you guys. Jim and MacSed's visa applications were rejected. Reliable source.
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
July 28 2013 06:06 GMT
#506
On July 28 2013 14:53 joelee1995 wrote:
Just to tell you guys. Jim and MacSed's visa applications were rejected. Reliable source.


What!? Nooooo
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
July 28 2013 06:26 GMT
#507
On July 28 2013 15:06 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 14:53 joelee1995 wrote:
Just to tell you guys. Jim and MacSed's visa applications were rejected. Reliable source.


What!? Nooooo


on 30th, they will have 2nd try. hope this time will work.
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
July 28 2013 07:08 GMT
#508
Any reason from the US embassy itself to deny a visa? Do they think the guy is dangerous or what? I don't understand what the problem is.
Joxx
Profile Joined June 2011
France82 Posts
July 28 2013 07:11 GMT
#509
Immigration is the main issue, people overstaying their visa.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 29 2013 13:57 GMT
#510
On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 19:09 dignitasDreAm wrote:
On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow

they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play

flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case

agreed

The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament?


His coach explained that those were the only time slots available.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia553 Posts
July 29 2013 14:07 GMT
#511
This is really troublesome, I hope Blizzard does more to help these guys trying to get in to compete. Would hate to see more of this happen.
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
July 29 2013 14:12 GMT
#512
On July 28 2013 16:08 darkness wrote:
Any reason from the US embassy itself to deny a visa? Do they think the guy is dangerous or what? I don't understand what the problem is.


A lot of times when rejection happens, they don't give you a reason. So you don't know what to do to improve you chances, that's the reason why it's very hard.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2634 Posts
July 29 2013 21:04 GMT
#513
Would it be possible for them to just compete online? I mean I'd be better than just DQing them.
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 29 2013 21:11 GMT
#514
On July 30 2013 06:04 Brutaxilos wrote:
Would it be possible for them to just compete online? I mean I'd be better than just DQing them.

this is actually a decent solution if, in fact, Blizzard's letter was the problem and it was blizzard's fault. however, it would be pretty anti-climactic if he won the tournament. they would award the prize to a skype screen. lol.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12612 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 21:16:29
July 29 2013 21:16 GMT
#515
On July 30 2013 06:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 06:04 Brutaxilos wrote:
Would it be possible for them to just compete online? I mean I'd be better than just DQing them.

this is actually a decent solution if, in fact, Blizzard's letter was the problem and it was blizzard's fault. however, it would be pretty anti-climactic if he won the tournament. they would award the prize to a skype screen. lol.


So that would look exactly the same as when Hero won season 1, then?^^
No will to live, no wish to die
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
July 29 2013 22:44 GMT
#516
The WCS should really start thinking of requiring you have a visa if your not in that region to participate to end all these visa debacles.
Twitter: @GoForNerski /// Youtube: Youtube.com/nerskisc
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
July 29 2013 23:11 GMT
#517
On July 30 2013 07:44 Nerski wrote:
The WCS should really start thinking of requiring you have a visa if your not in that region to participate to end all these visa debacles.

Once again, you can't get a visa before hand. You need to have a good reason and "well i might get to x country in a couple months to play a game" is simply not going to cut it.
tomsKa
Profile Joined July 2012
United States39 Posts
July 30 2013 00:37 GMT
#518
On July 30 2013 06:16 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 06:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
On July 30 2013 06:04 Brutaxilos wrote:
Would it be possible for them to just compete online? I mean I'd be better than just DQing them.

this is actually a decent solution if, in fact, Blizzard's letter was the problem and it was blizzard's fault. however, it would be pretty anti-climactic if he won the tournament. they would award the prize to a skype screen. lol.


So that would look exactly the same as when Hero won season 1, then?^^


And anyway the latency to NA server is apparently not terrible from china... At least better than to europe
Yolo SCV pulls too stronk
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 00:51:21
July 30 2013 00:50 GMT
#519
Whelp since NA has the easiest player base compared to EU and KR we gotta make up the toughness some how and why not do it by some people not being able to get access here? haha

But seriously this has been a known issue for a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time when it comes to gaining access to the US for a period of time. In my opinion the managers/teams of the players who entered for WCS NA should have already known the possibilities for this happening.
JD, need I say more? :D
Traceback
Profile Joined October 2010
United States469 Posts
July 30 2013 00:55 GMT
#520
On July 30 2013 07:44 Nerski wrote:
The WCS should really start thinking of requiring you have a visa if your not in that region to participate to end all these visa debacles.

You obviously don't understand visas very well.
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