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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 01:18:32
July 30 2013 01:16 GMT
#521
On July 30 2013 07:44 Nerski wrote:
The WCS should really start thinking of requiring you have a visa if your not in that region to participate to end all these visa debacles.


thats funny XD

but i mean cerealsly, why couldnt it be amex and/or dc, isnt this discrimination???
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
July 30 2013 09:23 GMT
#522
Some news regarding their second visa application: the visa officials took away their invitation and passport and told them since they have denial records they must go through a deeper checking process.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
July 30 2013 11:53 GMT
#523
On July 30 2013 18:23 digmouse wrote:
Some news regarding their second visa application: the visa officials took away their invitation and passport and told them since they have denial records they must go through a deeper checking process.


That's actually pretty good news, as they seem to got further than last time (they'd just said no otherwise).
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
July 30 2013 16:20 GMT
#524
It blows my mind how blizzard can remove like 3 wcs regions from last year to this one and then expect for players who are getting fucked by this to handle everything by themselves. When they said they were working with players who got the shitty end of the new wcs system I figured they'd handle participation in other regions (which obviously failed @mlg qualifiers) and possible visa issues (especially with chinese this was obv gonna happen), yet they don't do shit and jim has to take care of it by himself when he should actually be busy playing IEM, what a fucking joke wcs is at times.
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
July 30 2013 16:31 GMT
#525
On July 30 2013 09:55 Traceback wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 07:44 Nerski wrote:
The WCS should really start thinking of requiring you have a visa if your not in that region to participate to end all these visa debacles.

You obviously don't understand visas very well.


I'm not saying it'd be easy to walk in and say 'I might need to go to the USA I need a visa'.

If however, blizzard required it, and did a little work themselves to talk to goverments about allowing visa's for these reasons it'd be possible. Riot has already proven this to be the case allowing pro LoL players to obtain visa's simply on the grounds of being one of their pro players.

I'm not saying this is going to happen, blizzard hasn't shown any signs of doing this. Ideally though this would be the case. I suppose I could have been more specific in stating the comment I did.
Twitter: @GoForNerski /// Youtube: Youtube.com/nerskisc
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 30 2013 16:54 GMT
#526
On July 30 2013 18:23 digmouse wrote:
Some news regarding their second visa application: the visa officials took away their invitation and passport and told them since they have denial records they must go through a deeper checking process.


Is that a good or a bad thing?


Either way, Blizzard should've done either:

a) tell the Chinese scene to go f**k itself (at least this is honest)
b) speak to the US government and help the chinese players to get a VISA (preferred solution by me)
c) move WCS NA to another country of NA with less tight visa regulations (also nice)


But the most ideal solution would be to give SEA + China an own WCS region.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 17:08:42
July 30 2013 17:07 GMT
#527
On July 31 2013 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 18:23 digmouse wrote:
Some news regarding their second visa application: the visa officials took away their invitation and passport and told them since they have denial records they must go through a deeper checking process.


Is that a good or a bad thing?


Either way, Blizzard should've done either:

a) tell the Chinese scene to go f**k itself (at least this is honest)
b) speak to the US government and help the chinese players to get a VISA (preferred solution by me)
c) move WCS NA to another country of NA with less tight visa regulations (also nice)


But the most ideal solution would be to give SEA + China an own WCS region.

I don't think they are going to move an event to another country just because of two players. Blizzcon is happening in the US and there is nothing short of an earthquake that is gonig to change that.

And it has been said may times before, the USCIS could give two shits about Blizzard and what they want. They may take the call, but at the end of the day the USCIS is going to do what they do and follow the laws that govern them and rules they have in place. And I wouldn't doubt that the USCIS is going to call Blizzard to confirm the invitation is valid and get more information.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
July 30 2013 17:43 GMT
#528
On July 31 2013 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 18:23 digmouse wrote:
Some news regarding their second visa application: the visa officials took away their invitation and passport and told them since they have denial records they must go through a deeper checking process.


Is that a good or a bad thing?


Either way, Blizzard should've done either:

a) tell the Chinese scene to go f**k itself (at least this is honest)
b) speak to the US government and help the chinese players to get a VISA (preferred solution by me)
c) move WCS NA to another country of NA with less tight visa regulations (also nice)


But the most ideal solution would be to give SEA + China an own WCS region.

I guess you never traveled out of your own hemisphere.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 17:53:12
July 30 2013 17:51 GMT
#529
On July 31 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 30 2013 18:23 digmouse wrote:
Some news regarding their second visa application: the visa officials took away their invitation and passport and told them since they have denial records they must go through a deeper checking process.


Is that a good or a bad thing?


Either way, Blizzard should've done either:

a) tell the Chinese scene to go f**k itself (at least this is honest)
b) speak to the US government and help the chinese players to get a VISA (preferred solution by me)
c) move WCS NA to another country of NA with less tight visa regulations (also nice)


But the most ideal solution would be to give SEA + China an own WCS region.

I don't think they are going to move an event to another country just because of two players. Blizzcon is happening in the US and there is nothing short of an earthquake that is gonig to change that.

And it has been said may times before, the USCIS could give two shits about Blizzard and what they want. They may take the call, but at the end of the day the USCIS is going to do what they do and follow the laws that govern them and rules they have in place. And I wouldn't doubt that the USCIS is going to call Blizzard to confirm the invitation is valid and get more information.


I agree wholeheartedly. Well, I guess that only leaves the answer a) with the current system.

On July 31 2013 02:43 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote:
On July 30 2013 18:23 digmouse wrote:
Some news regarding their second visa application: the visa officials took away their invitation and passport and told them since they have denial records they must go through a deeper checking process.


Is that a good or a bad thing?


Either way, Blizzard should've done either:

a) tell the Chinese scene to go f**k itself (at least this is honest)
b) speak to the US government and help the chinese players to get a VISA (preferred solution by me)
c) move WCS NA to another country of NA with less tight visa regulations (also nice)


But the most ideal solution would be to give SEA + China an own WCS region.

I guess you never traveled out of your own hemisphere.


You're right sir, all my travels so far have been restricted to the northern hemisphere only (though that will finally change in the beginning of next year, can't wait for it!).
asongdotnet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
July 30 2013 17:57 GMT
#530
any updates on jim and macsed's visa's for the WCS?
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
July 31 2013 02:52 GMT
#531
Update

NetEast (SC2 Chinese operator) announced that they are going to pay all the fees associated with VISA of all Chinese SC2 players from now on (including Jim and MacSed).

No matter how many times players go to VISA, no matter it succeeds or fails, NetEast said that they are going to pay players all the fees. And they will work with Blizzard to provide any support for getting a VISA. Or players encounter any problems related to international events, NetEast said they are going to help out.

This applies to all WCS related international events such as WCS, MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, GSL, OSL, etc.

Jim and MacSed's coach said that they already spend more than 10k RMB ($1630) in fees associated with getting a US VISA for Jim and MacSed.

Source: http://game.163.com/13/0730/09/9518OCBH00314QKL.html
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 31 2013 03:00 GMT
#532
That's good news and glad Blizzard is doing what they can. Hopefully the embassy approves their visa quickly.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
July 31 2013 03:17 GMT
#533
http://redd.it/1je4ha

#supportCNesports by cloaken

We're doing everything we can to assist (P)Jim and (P)MacSed with getting their visas. Blizzard staff has been manning phones around the clock, reaching out to contacts, and much more.

At this point we're going to exhaust every avenue to get attention on this, including the twitter of the US embassy in Beijing. Feel free to RT and use the #supportCNesports hashtag.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 31 2013 03:32 GMT
#534
On July 31 2013 01:31 Nerski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2013 09:55 Traceback wrote:
On July 30 2013 07:44 Nerski wrote:
The WCS should really start thinking of requiring you have a visa if your not in that region to participate to end all these visa debacles.

You obviously don't understand visas very well.


I'm not saying it'd be easy to walk in and say 'I might need to go to the USA I need a visa'.

If however, blizzard required it, and did a little work themselves to talk to goverments about allowing visa's for these reasons it'd be possible. Riot has already proven this to be the case allowing pro LoL players to obtain visa's simply on the grounds of being one of their pro players.

I'm not saying this is going to happen, blizzard hasn't shown any signs of doing this. Ideally though this would be the case. I suppose I could have been more specific in stating the comment I did.


Well, Riot is owned by Tencent (which is like the Google and FB of China). So that probably helps.
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
August 01 2013 03:05 GMT
#535
This is driving me nuts...
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 01 2013 09:22 GMT
#536
GUYS GOOD NEWS:
Macsed got his Visa, Jim is still trying
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BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
August 01 2013 11:34 GMT
#537
On August 01 2013 18:22 NovemberstOrm wrote:
GUYS GOOD NEWS:
Macsed got his Visa, Jim is still trying
https://twitter.com/dignitasDreAm/status/362863217514520577

I feel that Jim needs his visa moreso than macsed... Macsed was able to win HKeSports and qualify for the finals. Jim forfeited his position at IEM Shanghai (more or less) to get his visa denied. On top of this, I feel as though the only results he's produced besides GM rank 1 on ladder would be his all-kill on EG at the Acer Teamstory Cup. He has job security but he needs more than that to tell himself he is a good competitor. Fuzer was GM Rank 1 on NA 6 months ago. Less than a week ago he retired.

http://matchday.cc/player.php?id=236
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
August 02 2013 04:21 GMT
#538
Yay for Macsed. I really hope Jim gets his, too.
T P Z sagi
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 02 2013 04:24 GMT
#539
On August 01 2013 20:34 Enders116 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:22 NovemberstOrm wrote:
GUYS GOOD NEWS:
Macsed got his Visa, Jim is still trying
https://twitter.com/dignitasDreAm/status/362863217514520577

I feel that Jim needs his visa moreso than macsed... Macsed was able to win HKeSports and qualify for the finals. Jim forfeited his position at IEM Shanghai (more or less) to get his visa denied. On top of this, I feel as though the only results he's produced besides GM rank 1 on ladder would be his all-kill on EG at the Acer Teamstory Cup. He has job security but he needs more than that to tell himself he is a good competitor. Fuzer was GM Rank 1 on NA 6 months ago. Less than a week ago he retired.

http://matchday.cc/player.php?id=236

Rank 1 GM on NA is completely different to Rank 1 GM on Korea.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-02 04:40:25
August 02 2013 04:36 GMT
#540
On August 02 2013 13:24 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 20:34 Enders116 wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:22 NovemberstOrm wrote:
GUYS GOOD NEWS:
Macsed got his Visa, Jim is still trying
https://twitter.com/dignitasDreAm/status/362863217514520577

I feel that Jim needs his visa moreso than macsed... Macsed was able to win HKeSports and qualify for the finals. Jim forfeited his position at IEM Shanghai (more or less) to get his visa denied. On top of this, I feel as though the only results he's produced besides GM rank 1 on ladder would be his all-kill on EG at the Acer Teamstory Cup. He has job security but he needs more than that to tell himself he is a good competitor. Fuzer was GM Rank 1 on NA 6 months ago. Less than a week ago he retired.

http://matchday.cc/player.php?id=236

Rank 1 GM on NA is completely different to Rank 1 GM on Korea.


Axslav/Axeltoss said that Jim was the first foreigner to get rank 1 GM in Korea

for HOTS he was first (and only foreigner) to get there for sure, but what about WoL?

I heard in WoL, HuK had 2 accounts in the top 5 of Korea GM, and also had an account on EU rank 1 that was worldwide most points

but did HuK reach rank 1 korean GM in WoL?





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