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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i think coach park did enough teaching "plus and minus" so that EGTL can continue to figure out "division and multiplication" and beyond. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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astray71
United States325 Posts
As for EG-TL, seems like they're done with Proleague. I can't really blame them since they have their star players traveling a bunch and it's costly to play. But then again, Jaedong not in PL? What's he going to be doing all day? He's still has until December for his contract to end. | ||
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United States10328 Posts
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
 where is the dirty money when you need it? | ||
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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Neonico
France24 Posts
For brands like Samsung, SKT, KT, STX, Starcraft is just television exposure and marketing, simply because it's a really big "sport" in their country (if soccer was the biggest, or whatever other sport, Pro League wouldn't even exist). Sponsorship is the only way to support a team in Pro League. EG is just way to far of that and need to generate ROI, which is definatly not something you can hope from a game with the exposure SC2 has, especially outside of Korea, which is the only region in the world where being exposed in SC2 is something profitable. And Samsung, LG, Redbull, SKT, KT all have alot more money to putt in their team than EG will ever have from all their sponsors. | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
On July 22 2013 23:16 Shadow_Dog wrote: Why do people think that the next season of PL is a guarantee? IIRC it took them long time to find the sponsor for the current one. Think about that. As long as the new LOL Proleague exists, SC2 will tag along, at least for another season. | ||
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Irre
United States646 Posts
On July 23 2013 03:48 Neonico wrote: I really have a problem with esport fanboys when they start comparing EG to some of the biggest industrial conglomerates in the world, as good as they can be in their feild. For brands like Samsung, SKT, KT, STX, Starcraft is just television exposure and marketing, simply because it's a really big "sport" in their country (if soccer was the biggest, or whatever other sport, Pro League wouldn't even exist). Sponsorship is the only way to support a team in Pro League. EG is just way to far of that and need to generate ROI, which is definatly not something you can hope from a game with the exposure SC2 has, especially outside of Korea, which is the only region in the world where being exposed in SC2 is something profitable. And Samsung, LG, Redbull, SKT, KT all have alot more money to putt in their team than EG will ever have from all their sponsors. true, yet with few exceptions they dont pay big salaries to players like EG does and their players have to work harder anyway. | ||
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Neonico
France24 Posts
Any KeSPA teamm will still have the same budget next year, winning the Pro League or being last. And with the ritirement of Stephano, EG isn't actually different than any korean team : they have one big star with one big salary (And my guess is that of all the star players in Pro League, Jaedong has one of the lowest salary), and all other players are (my guess) payed the same they would be in any ESF/KeSPA team in Korea. The main difference I can think of is the B-Teamers. The main problem for EG has allways been the salary they gave to players like Puma. And they seem to have changed their minds about this. | ||
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havok55
United States276 Posts
On July 23 2013 02:20 Plansix wrote: I think you might be mistaken as to what sponsors want. They want numbers to prove they are getting a return and don't want to hear about anecdotal evidence. The money that they give to teams is money that could go someplace else. If that side has solid numbers to show and RIO and the team cannot produce similar data, its a hard sell to keep the sponsor. FXOboss and the head of Dignitas talked about how hard it is to keep sponsors without good numbers to back up the claims. Nothing speaks for itself in the business world. Sponsors want winners. Why do you think EG keeps buying up players right after they won a big tournament and were in the limelight? Huk, Puma, Thorzain, etc etc. Sponsors want their name attached to a winning team, a winning player. Having your company logo on some guy who just streams a lot is chump change for returns. They want their name spoken every time a team is mentioned, preferably for winning some prestigious international tournament, and they want it to happen all the time. Are you telling me cultivating better players, making sure your top players stay competitive and in the limelight, is bad for sponsors? | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On July 23 2013 04:14 havok55 wrote: Sponsors want winners. Why do you think EG keeps buying up players right after they won a big tournament and were in the limelight? Huk, Puma, Thorzain, etc etc. Sponsors want their name attached to a winning team, a winning player. Having your company logo on some guy who just streams a lot is chump change for returns. They want their name spoken every time a team is mentioned, preferably for winning some prestigious international tournament, and they want it to happen all the time. Are you're telling me cultivating better players, making sure your top players stay competitive and in the limelight, is bad for sponsors? LG-IM notoriously kept sending out unknown players in gstl when they had in prime form mvp, mc, nestea LG-IM is doing pretty good now I reckon On topic I do wonder why egtl let coach park go, matching their offer with papa johns coming should have been possible. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 23 2013 04:14 havok55 wrote: Sponsors want winners. Why do you think EG keeps buying up players right after they won a big tournament and were in the limelight? Huk, Puma, Thorzain, etc etc. Sponsors want their name attached to a winning team, a winning player. Having your company logo on some guy who just streams a lot is chump change for returns. They want their name spoken every time a team is mentioned, preferably for winning some prestigious international tournament, and they want it to happen all the time. Are you're telling me cultivating better players, making sure your top players stay competitive and in the limelight, is bad for sponsors? No, I am telling you EXACTLY what Alex Garfield said. That it is hard to sell sponsors that being at the finals of a tournament was good for them as a whole and that it is easier to do if you have hard data. Since they don't have the hard data, EG has other routes and shows, such as streaming, to generate proof that the sponsor is getting a return on their ROI. This is not some weird, abstract theory I am talking about here. It is informed provided by Alex Garfield saying that right now winning is important, but they also need to focus on having the hard data to provide to sponsors to keep them. All this things you said may be good for sponsors, but without proof in the form of hard data, they will not assume it is good for them. | ||
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havok55
United States276 Posts
On July 23 2013 04:29 Facultyadjutant wrote: LG-IM notoriously kept sending out unknown players in gstl when they had in prime form mvp, mc, nestea LG-IM is doing pretty good now I reckon On topic I do wonder why egtl let coach park go, matching their offer with papa johns coming should have been possible. LGIM was known to not give a shit about GSTL. It was a joke league that only the bottom teams took seriously (until very recently when it actually got a decent prize pool). So LGIM used it as a training ground for their trainees to get used to playing live. And players like Nestea didnt like being played in GSTL because he couldn't prepare for it. Not sure why you even brought up LGIM though. LGIM is a Korean team, with a coaching staff and training regiments for their players. Maybe not to the extent of Kespa, but certainly not "do whatever you want" like EG. | ||
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Chemist391
United States368 Posts
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rice_devOurer
United States773 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10162 Posts
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