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On July 12 2013 02:50 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:33 Prog455 wrote:On July 12 2013 02:16 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2013 01:52 Prog455 wrote:On July 12 2013 01:23 Azarkon wrote:
You guys do know that practically all Korean tournaments require people to be in Korea to participate in? From WCS qualifiers to their new Dota 2 leagues to GSL... I don't see what's so absurd about requiring the same for NA tournaments.
EDIT: in theory, that is. I understand that players from countries with no qualifiers have to be allowed to play in NA. Having to play qualifers offline would be a major setback for players in NA and EU aswell. Korea is far smaller than both EU and NA, not to mention that more than 20% of the population lives in Seoul or Incheon. Having to travel to Seoul to play a qualifer is far easier to any South Korean than it is for Europeans or Americans. I think what you're missing is that the whole system of WCS, where WCS NA is online and open to all, WCS EU is online and open to all, but WCS Korea is offline and open to only people who are physically in Korea, is fundamentally biased towards Koreans in the first place. The question you have to ask is - why doesn't Korea ever run online qualifiers open to people from the rest of the world? Why doesn't the WCS organizing committee make a WCS Asia equivalent to NA and EU? I don't think it matters in SC 2, but in games where Koreans are behind in - ie LoL back in 2011, Dota 2 today - it's telling that they don't have a single team from outside of Korea in their qualifiers / leagues system except those they choose to invite themselves. I don't want to call it protectionism, but it does have the same effect. I think what you are missing is that you can't compare Korea to NA or EU. Do we really hate Koreans so much that we'd happily hurt our own scene, as long as we can give the Koreans a hard time. I know that it is harder for people in EU or NA to qualify in Korea than vice versa, but having offline qualifiers in each region will not only make it harder for Koreans to qualify in NA, but also for AMERICANS to qualify in NA. I do not think you realize that in a fair competition everybody plays by the same rules because everybody is equal.If wcs is to have any credibility all players should be subjected to the same rules.You can not have some play only and some offline and claim it is a fait competition.If anything it is racist towards the foreigners but who care about them right?
Its not that simple. You can't have offline qualifers for EU and NA, the countries are HUGE. EU isn't even one country. China is in the NA region. It would screw over everyone else except for the Koreans.
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On July 12 2013 02:50 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:33 Prog455 wrote:On July 12 2013 02:16 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2013 01:52 Prog455 wrote:On July 12 2013 01:23 Azarkon wrote:
You guys do know that practically all Korean tournaments require people to be in Korea to participate in? From WCS qualifiers to their new Dota 2 leagues to GSL... I don't see what's so absurd about requiring the same for NA tournaments.
EDIT: in theory, that is. I understand that players from countries with no qualifiers have to be allowed to play in NA. Having to play qualifers offline would be a major setback for players in NA and EU aswell. Korea is far smaller than both EU and NA, not to mention that more than 20% of the population lives in Seoul or Incheon. Having to travel to Seoul to play a qualifer is far easier to any South Korean than it is for Europeans or Americans. I think what you're missing is that the whole system of WCS, where WCS NA is online and open to all, WCS EU is online and open to all, but WCS Korea is offline and open to only people who are physically in Korea, is fundamentally biased towards Koreans in the first place. The question you have to ask is - why doesn't Korea ever run online qualifiers open to people from the rest of the world? Why doesn't the WCS organizing committee make a WCS Asia equivalent to NA and EU? I don't think it matters in SC 2, but in games where Koreans are behind in - ie LoL back in 2011, Dota 2 today - it's telling that they don't have a single team from outside of Korea in their qualifiers / leagues system except those they choose to invite themselves. I don't want to call it protectionism, but it does have the same effect. I think what you are missing is that you can't compare Korea to NA or EU. Do we really hate Koreans so much that we'd happily hurt our own scene, as long as we can give the Koreans a hard time. I know that it is harder for people in EU or NA to qualify in Korea than vice versa, but having offline qualifiers in each region will not only make it harder for Koreans to qualify in NA, but also for AMERICANS to qualify in NA. I do not think you realize that in a fair competition everybody plays by the same rules because everybody is equal.If wcs is to have any credibility all players should be subjected to the same rules.You can not have some play only and some offline and claim it is a fait competition.If anything it is racist towards the foreigners but who care about them right?
And i ask again - do we care more about things being "fair" in theory than actually giving people a shot at qualifying.
Europe is about 46 times larger than Korea and almost 10 times as many people, not even including Russia, which is also considered a part of the European scene. If i had to go to Hannover to try and qualify for Challenger League, it would cost me almost $500 in travel expenses alone. That is quite a bit of money if i end up playing Genius or another Korean progamer in the first round.
Offline qualifiers would be a bitch for everyone that does not live in the country where qualifiers are held.
If you actually want to see up and coming players trying to qualify, don't ask them to spend $500 + hotel costs just to try and qualify. If people had to go to Germany in order to qualify, qualifying alone would cost more than you get for winning Challenger league.
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On July 12 2013 03:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:50 theking1 wrote:On July 12 2013 02:33 Prog455 wrote:On July 12 2013 02:16 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2013 01:52 Prog455 wrote:On July 12 2013 01:23 Azarkon wrote:
You guys do know that practically all Korean tournaments require people to be in Korea to participate in? From WCS qualifiers to their new Dota 2 leagues to GSL... I don't see what's so absurd about requiring the same for NA tournaments.
EDIT: in theory, that is. I understand that players from countries with no qualifiers have to be allowed to play in NA. Having to play qualifers offline would be a major setback for players in NA and EU aswell. Korea is far smaller than both EU and NA, not to mention that more than 20% of the population lives in Seoul or Incheon. Having to travel to Seoul to play a qualifer is far easier to any South Korean than it is for Europeans or Americans. I think what you're missing is that the whole system of WCS, where WCS NA is online and open to all, WCS EU is online and open to all, but WCS Korea is offline and open to only people who are physically in Korea, is fundamentally biased towards Koreans in the first place. The question you have to ask is - why doesn't Korea ever run online qualifiers open to people from the rest of the world? Why doesn't the WCS organizing committee make a WCS Asia equivalent to NA and EU? I don't think it matters in SC 2, but in games where Koreans are behind in - ie LoL back in 2011, Dota 2 today - it's telling that they don't have a single team from outside of Korea in their qualifiers / leagues system except those they choose to invite themselves. I don't want to call it protectionism, but it does have the same effect. I think what you are missing is that you can't compare Korea to NA or EU. Do we really hate Koreans so much that we'd happily hurt our own scene, as long as we can give the Koreans a hard time. I know that it is harder for people in EU or NA to qualify in Korea than vice versa, but having offline qualifiers in each region will not only make it harder for Koreans to qualify in NA, but also for AMERICANS to qualify in NA. I do not think you realize that in a fair competition everybody plays by the same rules because everybody is equal.If wcs is to have any credibility all players should be subjected to the same rules.You can not have some play only and some offline and claim it is a fait competition.If anything it is racist towards the foreigners but who care about them right? Its not that simple. You can't have offline qualifers for EU and NA, the countries are HUGE. EU isn't even one country. China is in the NA region. It would screw over everyone else except for the Koreans.
I agree geography and increase costs are an important issue.And I do agree that completly offline qualifiers are very expensive to hold both for the participants and for Blizzard considering the wcs isnt making them anything but since they decided to have the competition in the first place they should have thought about
1.Fairness.Everybody should play by the same rules.If not everybody plays by the same rules the competition is sort of useless
2.CHina can be put in the same geographical area as Korea
3.EU and Na are huge but it is relatively easy to travel form one EU country form another almost as easy as from one us state to another.The biggest issue is with the ucrainean and russian players since they are not in the EU but Whitera didnt have any issue showing up at last years wcs and performing as the best barman ever  .
You might have a point if the Wcs will be held completly offline that ucrainean and russian might need some extra documents but the EU is very lax when it comes to checking paperwork so they can basicly stay how long they like..
Hopefully aussies have enough money to come to the us.But even with the completly offline play in place the na scene will be dominated by koreans such as hero who ar eplaying for na teams.In the end it is the same thing.
Sometimes I wish sc2 would make as much money as lol so blizzard can give all players salaries and teamhouses  .
@Prog455
Yes we care about being fait because without being fair there is no competition because not all participants get the same shot.The discussion does not continue past the fair part.If you think in a competition some participants should be allowed to play by other rules than others we have fundamentally different belief systems.Being fair is the cornerstone of any competition otherwise the competition would not exist in the first place.
it is not as expensive as you make it out to be.You can traver to germany with low cost airlines such as wizzair and blueair for 20 euros or 50 euros.I came form dortmund to Bucharest for 50 euros.A room in Germany costs 200 euros per month.It is affordable if you live in western europe.It is harder for eatern europeans but if they have teams such as white ra and dimaga they should not have issues
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On July 12 2013 03:27 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 03:11 Plansix wrote:On July 12 2013 02:50 theking1 wrote:On July 12 2013 02:33 Prog455 wrote:On July 12 2013 02:16 Azarkon wrote:On July 12 2013 01:52 Prog455 wrote:On July 12 2013 01:23 Azarkon wrote:
You guys do know that practically all Korean tournaments require people to be in Korea to participate in? From WCS qualifiers to their new Dota 2 leagues to GSL... I don't see what's so absurd about requiring the same for NA tournaments.
EDIT: in theory, that is. I understand that players from countries with no qualifiers have to be allowed to play in NA. Having to play qualifers offline would be a major setback for players in NA and EU aswell. Korea is far smaller than both EU and NA, not to mention that more than 20% of the population lives in Seoul or Incheon. Having to travel to Seoul to play a qualifer is far easier to any South Korean than it is for Europeans or Americans. I think what you're missing is that the whole system of WCS, where WCS NA is online and open to all, WCS EU is online and open to all, but WCS Korea is offline and open to only people who are physically in Korea, is fundamentally biased towards Koreans in the first place. The question you have to ask is - why doesn't Korea ever run online qualifiers open to people from the rest of the world? Why doesn't the WCS organizing committee make a WCS Asia equivalent to NA and EU? I don't think it matters in SC 2, but in games where Koreans are behind in - ie LoL back in 2011, Dota 2 today - it's telling that they don't have a single team from outside of Korea in their qualifiers / leagues system except those they choose to invite themselves. I don't want to call it protectionism, but it does have the same effect. I think what you are missing is that you can't compare Korea to NA or EU. Do we really hate Koreans so much that we'd happily hurt our own scene, as long as we can give the Koreans a hard time. I know that it is harder for people in EU or NA to qualify in Korea than vice versa, but having offline qualifiers in each region will not only make it harder for Koreans to qualify in NA, but also for AMERICANS to qualify in NA. I do not think you realize that in a fair competition everybody plays by the same rules because everybody is equal.If wcs is to have any credibility all players should be subjected to the same rules.You can not have some play only and some offline and claim it is a fait competition.If anything it is racist towards the foreigners but who care about them right? Its not that simple. You can't have offline qualifers for EU and NA, the countries are HUGE. EU isn't even one country. China is in the NA region. It would screw over everyone else except for the Koreans. I agree geography and increase costs are an important issue.And I do agree that completly offline qualifiers are very expensive to hold both for the participants and for Blizzard considering the wcs isnt making them anything but since they decided to have the competition in the first place they should have thought about 1.Fairness.Everybody should play by the same rules.If not everybody plays by the same rules the competition is sort of useless 2.CHina can be put in the same geographical area as Korea 3.EU and Na are huge but it is relatively easy to travel form one EU country form another almost as easy as from one us state to another.The biggest issue is with the ucrainean and russian players since they are not in the EU but Whitera didnt have any issue showing up at last years wcs and performing as the best barman ever . You might have a point if the Wcs will be held completly offline that ucrainean and russian might need some extra documents but the EU is very lax when it comes to checking paperwork so they can basicly stay how long they like. . Hopefully aussies have enough money to come to the us.But even with the completly offline play in place the na scene will be dominated by koreans such as hero who ar eplaying for na teams.In the end it is the same thing. Sometimes I wish sc2 would make as much money as lol so blizzard can give all players salaries and teamhouses .
It is not a matter of how easy it is to get to one place to another. It is also a matter of cost, and travelling transnational is still fairly expensive in Europe.
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On July 11 2013 13:23 ForcesEqualZero wrote:
He didn't say Koreans can't play in the tournament, he said they have to move to the place where the tournament is taking place in order to play.
You're not familiar with your country immigration policy are you ?
For all intent and purpose, requiring 'residency' is the same as banning them... beside it is WCS-AM not WCS-US... so the specific 'country' where the tournament takes place is irrelevant...[/QUOTE]
For starters, Polt and Violet are what I would term as US residents..[/QUOTE]
No they are not... they were not allowed to participate in TB Shoutcraft tournament were they ?
I do not know about Violet, but Polt is presumably here under a F1 visa, which is _not_ 'legal residence'.
Roger Federer does Nike advertisements, and does interviews with American press in english.
so the requirements for WCS 'AM' becomes 'speak English and have a sponsorship contract with an US brand', yeah who care about anyone south of the border that does not even speak English! Let's cut to the chase and rename the thing para-WCS-USA then.
I wonder, what language requirement you think WCS EU should have ? Since the tournament is held in Cologne, Germany, to participate to WCS EU one must reside in Germany, speak German and be sponsored by Puma ?
PS: the tennis analogy is not that far-fetched considering the arguments advanced. In tennis also it is very important to have infrastructure that cater to young talent early on.. why do you think there has been so many top-level US players ?
and guess what, even foreign players came to train in the US to benefit from that infrastructure... not unlike the situation with SC2 and Korea...
Yet I do not recall that Wimbledon, Rolland Garros or the Australian open ever considered to ban US players for being too-good... And I can imagine the outraged indignation in here if that was ever considered...
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On July 12 2013 03:27 theking1 wrote:
it is not as expensive as you make it out to be.You can traver to germany with low cost airlines such as wizzair and blueair for 20 euros or 50 euros.I came form dortmund to Bucharest for 50 euros.A room in Germany costs 200 euros per month.It is affordable if you live in western europe.It is harder for eatern europeans but if they have teams such as white ra and dimaga they should not have issues
It's great to hear that some of you can get from Germany to Romania for a very low price, but getting from Denmark to Germany is another story, and i am sure that it people from Norway and Sweden has to pay more than 50 euros aswell. Furthermore i still believe that offline qualifiers will become a major entry barrier, simply because a lot of up and coming players (especially from China and Australia) don't have money nor time to travel to a whole other country to try and qualify. And certainly not several times a year.
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A lot of people still seem unable to accept the fact that the current WCS is set up the way it is for logistical reasons, not to protect players in certain areas from playing better players from other areas.
Blizzard has been pretty blunt and explicit about the fact that they have never intended to protect weaker regions from Korean players 'invading' so the neverending debate and controversy over this stuff is pointless at best.
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On July 12 2013 03:52 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 03:27 theking1 wrote:
it is not as expensive as you make it out to be.You can traver to germany with low cost airlines such as wizzair and blueair for 20 euros or 50 euros.I came form dortmund to Bucharest for 50 euros.A room in Germany costs 200 euros per month.It is affordable if you live in western europe.It is harder for eatern europeans but if they have teams such as white ra and dimaga they should not have issues It's great to hear that some of you can get from Germany to Romania for a very low price, but getting from Denmark to Germany is another story, and i am sure that it people from Norway and Sweden has to pay more than 50 euros aswell. Furthermore i still believe that offline qualifiers will become a major entry barrier, simply because a lot of up and coming players (especially from China and Australia) don't have money nor time to travel to a whole other country to try and qualify. And certainly not several times a year.
Getting from one side of the US to another can cost a couple hundred dollars, depending on how you travel.
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On July 12 2013 03:52 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 03:27 theking1 wrote:
it is not as expensive as you make it out to be.You can traver to germany with low cost airlines such as wizzair and blueair for 20 euros or 50 euros.I came form dortmund to Bucharest for 50 euros.A room in Germany costs 200 euros per month.It is affordable if you live in western europe.It is harder for eatern europeans but if they have teams such as white ra and dimaga they should not have issues It's great to hear that some of you can get from Germany to Romania for a very low price, but getting from Denmark to Germany is another story, and i am sure that it people from Norway and Sweden has to pay more than 50 euros aswell. Furthermore i still believe that offline qualifiers will become a major entry barrier, simply because a lot of up and coming players (especially from China and Australia) don't have money nor time to travel to a whole other country to try and qualify. And certainly not several times a year.
I have done a quick search for you and at my first google search I have found flights from copenhagen to berlin for,25,39,40 euros which is actually cheaper than to Romania
http://www.edreams.com/flights/copenhagen-berlin/
And there are some nice airlines in there to.
If people are searching for cheap housing in germnay then the website
http://www.wg-gesucht.de/en/
has hundreds of offers in every major german city with prices of even 200 euros a month.And that is preety cheap for a northern european citizen.
In the regard of offline qualifiers being politically correct terms for region lock I agree with you perfectly.That is just what they are:region locks so that the local scene can grow and not upset the koreans.But in order for the NA scene to exist it has to be implemented otherwise the NA scene doesnt justify its existence both form a viewership and form a financial point.Blizzard can just call it Korean Legue C and move it completly to korea along with the money and wcs points.
Australia can be included in NA and CHina well they have to deal with the koreans.
The only issue is if blizzard will offer any assistance to cover up living costs.
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On July 12 2013 04:08 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 03:52 Prog455 wrote:On July 12 2013 03:27 theking1 wrote:
it is not as expensive as you make it out to be.You can traver to germany with low cost airlines such as wizzair and blueair for 20 euros or 50 euros.I came form dortmund to Bucharest for 50 euros.A room in Germany costs 200 euros per month.It is affordable if you live in western europe.It is harder for eatern europeans but if they have teams such as white ra and dimaga they should not have issues It's great to hear that some of you can get from Germany to Romania for a very low price, but getting from Denmark to Germany is another story, and i am sure that it people from Norway and Sweden has to pay more than 50 euros aswell. Furthermore i still believe that offline qualifiers will become a major entry barrier, simply because a lot of up and coming players (especially from China and Australia) don't have money nor time to travel to a whole other country to try and qualify. And certainly not several times a year. I have done a quick search for you and at my first google search I have found flights from copenhagen to berlin for,25,39,40 euros which is actually cheaper than to Romania http://www.edreams.com/flights/copenhagen-berlin/And there are some nice airlines in there to. If people are searching for cheap housing in germnay then the website http://www.wg-gesucht.de/en/has hundreds of offers in every major german city with prices of even 200 euros a month.And that is preety cheap for a northern european citizen. In the regard of offline qualifiers being politically correct terms for region lock I agree with you perfectly.That is just what they are:region locks so that the local scene can grow and not upset the koreans.But in order for the NA scene to exist it has to be implemented otherwise the NA scene doesnt justify its existence both form a viewership and form a financial point.Blizzard can just call it Korean Legue C and move it completly to korea along with the money and wcs points. Australia can be included in NA and CHina well they have to deal with the koreans. The only issue is if blizzard will offer any assistance to cover up living costs.
There must be some differences in cost depending on your IP address, because i literally just checked your link, and this is what i got 129 euro, 142 euro and 150 euro being the cheapest from Copenhagen to Berlin.
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didnt lpga try to pass english rule? where you must be able to speak english to compete in lpga. all started because there were too many koreans in the top.
i personally find it funny. damn koreans!
another note, korean bboy crew "project soul" was also banned after winning too many international battles in dominating fashion.
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On July 12 2013 04:17 jinorazi wrote:
didnt lpga try to pass english rule? where you must be able to speak english to compete in lpga. all started because there were too many koreans in the top.
i personally find it funny. damn koreans!
another note, korean bboy crew "project soul" was also banned after winning too many international battles in dominating fashion.
Breaking News: Koreans dominating fields that no one cares about! They must be stopped!
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On July 12 2013 04:27 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:17 jinorazi wrote:
didnt lpga try to pass english rule? where you must be able to speak english to compete in lpga. all started because there were too many koreans in the top.
i personally find it funny. damn koreans!
another note, korean bboy crew "project soul" was also banned after winning too many international battles in dominating fashion. Breaking News: Koreans dominating fields that no one cares about! They must be stopped!
indeed, koreans killing esports.
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On July 12 2013 04:16 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:08 theking1 wrote:On July 12 2013 03:52 Prog455 wrote:On July 12 2013 03:27 theking1 wrote:
it is not as expensive as you make it out to be.You can traver to germany with low cost airlines such as wizzair and blueair for 20 euros or 50 euros.I came form dortmund to Bucharest for 50 euros.A room in Germany costs 200 euros per month.It is affordable if you live in western europe.It is harder for eatern europeans but if they have teams such as white ra and dimaga they should not have issues It's great to hear that some of you can get from Germany to Romania for a very low price, but getting from Denmark to Germany is another story, and i am sure that it people from Norway and Sweden has to pay more than 50 euros aswell. Furthermore i still believe that offline qualifiers will become a major entry barrier, simply because a lot of up and coming players (especially from China and Australia) don't have money nor time to travel to a whole other country to try and qualify. And certainly not several times a year. I have done a quick search for you and at my first google search I have found flights from copenhagen to berlin for,25,39,40 euros which is actually cheaper than to Romania http://www.edreams.com/flights/copenhagen-berlin/And there are some nice airlines in there to. If people are searching for cheap housing in germnay then the website http://www.wg-gesucht.de/en/has hundreds of offers in every major german city with prices of even 200 euros a month.And that is preety cheap for a northern european citizen. In the regard of offline qualifiers being politically correct terms for region lock I agree with you perfectly.That is just what they are:region locks so that the local scene can grow and not upset the koreans.But in order for the NA scene to exist it has to be implemented otherwise the NA scene doesnt justify its existence both form a viewership and form a financial point.Blizzard can just call it Korean Legue C and move it completly to korea along with the money and wcs points. Australia can be included in NA and CHina well they have to deal with the koreans. The only issue is if blizzard will offer any assistance to cover up living costs. There must be some differences in cost depending on your IP address, because i literally just checked your link, and this is what i got 129 euro, 142 euro and 150 euro being the cheapest from Copenhagen to Berlin.
hmm weird
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On July 12 2013 04:05 Cyrak wrote:
A lot of people still seem unable to accept the fact that the current WCS is set up the way it is for logistical reasons, not to protect players in certain areas from playing better players from other areas.
Blizzard has been pretty blunt and explicit about the fact that they have never intended to protect weaker regions from Korean players 'invading' so the neverending debate and controversy over this stuff is pointless at best.
Logistics = Chinese playing on NA instead of Korea? When are people going to understand that Blizzard struck a deal with OGN/GOM and allowed them to do whatever they want for WCS, which = continue running offline only qualifiers while sending those who aren't able to qualify through those to NA and EU.
Korea gets a pass because it's Korea. The WCS system is designed to be continental, not national, but Korea is given its own continent to work with because that's how OGN/GOM rolls.
We don't have WCS France, WCS UK, WCS Germany, etc. because Blizzard doesn't want to spend the $ to make offline qualifiers in all those countries. However, OGN/GOM are fine with running WCS themselves without Blizzard. Thus, Blizzard let them do it, and that's why we have offline qualifiers in Korea and online, continental ones everywhere else.
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On July 12 2013 06:05 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:05 Cyrak wrote:
A lot of people still seem unable to accept the fact that the current WCS is set up the way it is for logistical reasons, not to protect players in certain areas from playing better players from other areas.
Blizzard has been pretty blunt and explicit about the fact that they have never intended to protect weaker regions from Korean players 'invading' so the neverending debate and controversy over this stuff is pointless at best. Logistics = Chinese playing on NA instead of Korea? When are people going to understand that Blizzard struck a deal with OGN/GOM and allowed them to do whatever they want for WCS, which = continue running offline only qualifiers while sending those who aren't able to qualify through those to NA and EU. Korea gets a pass because it's Korea. The WCS system is designed to be continental, not national, but Korea is given its own continent to work with because that's how OGN/GOM rolls. We don't have WCS France, WCS UK, WCS Germany, etc. because Blizzard doesn't want to spend the $ to make offline qualifiers in all those countries. However, OGN/GOM are fine with running WCS themselves without Blizzard. Thus, Blizzard let them do it, and that's why we have offline qualifiers in Korea and online, continental ones everywhere else.
it is sort of demoralizing how one of the oldest and most prestigious gaming companies in the world aka blizzard bows down so hard to korean esports organizations while companies such as riot maintain their offline plain in each region and seem to not have any concerns.True that riot pays for everything in na and eu but if we as a foreign scene are so counterproductive makes you wonder how long will blizzard invest in this wcs thingy for sc2 if the losses and demand are so great and the return so little.
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this is a big contribution to the scene.
that will do pig... that will do.
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On July 11 2013 15:58 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 14:01 9-BiT wrote:On July 11 2013 11:08 hyunseung wrote:On July 11 2013 10:08 intense555 wrote:
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time. It's literally discrimination to not let persons of a certain nationality play in a qualifying tournament. Are you mad that Koreans are always on top? To have a tournament specifically set up to allow lower tier players to win is downright dumb and just shows obviously bias towards Korean players. To be perfectly honest, koreans don't make for a good show. Of course Polt may be an exception to this, but the majority of the players are faceless, at least to the foreign community. I would rather watch a game with a storyline and a rivalry than the best play in the world, simple as that. To someone who doesn't know starcraft, it's much easier to explain "IdrA flipped off HuK at MLG, and called him a trash player", than to try and explain the beauty and intricacy of korean play. There is a time and place for both, but right now, there isn't any representation of the first scenario. Thats your opinion, which is as meaningless as mine. The argument gets so old. No Koreans are not faceless, actually most Koreans I know and follow are nothing but amazing as person and player. What storyline do I get between State and Kane? Is 'IdrA flipped HuK at MLG' really a storyline for you? If you get hyped by that, you should go to see wrestling instead of Starcraft, because it seems you clearly don't enjoy the game? I can say that I personally enjoy Starcraft and seeing it played well, Koreans do deliver those terms and I'll happily cheer for any foreigner that can match them in that term, other than that, no.
It's not a storyline, it's an easy way to have other people that don't understand starcraft to understand why this game could be exciting. I'm saying there is a time and place for everything, and I think we can both agree that the least exciting thing to watch is koreans crushing foreigners. I would rather watch a korean league, and a foreigner league. You're putting words into my mouth.
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if there is a separate foreign league and korean league, and with code a (challenger), does this become like:
major league > minor league > foreigner league ?
since major is dominated by koreans, minor is koreans who cant make it and few foreigners trying to squeeze in, then all foreigners in their own special league.
thats degrading
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