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Koreans vs. Foreigners - Discussion with PiG

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Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
July 11 2013 00:02 GMT
#1
Heyhey,

I recorded a pretty long discussion with PiG about the skillgap between Koreans and Foreigners. We were talking about differences in infrastructures, problems of newer players to emerge within the scene, the huge discrepancy in terms of salary and support and a few other things.

The whole thing is pretty good I feel but you need to bring some time when you watch it. It's about 40 minutes total:



Have fun with the video, hope you enjoy it
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Gnusnu
Profile Joined December 2009
United States118 Posts
July 11 2013 00:12 GMT
#2
You are good at these. All of your talks are pretty informative.
Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
July 11 2013 00:49 GMT
#3
Thanks PiG is pretty easy to talk to though, very good interview-partner
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Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
July 11 2013 00:57 GMT
#4
nice
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intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
July 11 2013 01:08 GMT
#5
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time.
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
July 11 2013 01:10 GMT
#6
i really love you, khaldor, for always bringing this extra content to the community. ~~
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edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
July 11 2013 01:14 GMT
#7
Who is pig?
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
July 11 2013 01:18 GMT
#8
maybe a tldr to summarize the positions of both participants?
I dont really wanna watch a 40 minute video but I am still interested in what they have to say
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MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 01:21:38
July 11 2013 01:21 GMT
#9
On July 11 2013 10:14 edgeOut wrote:
Who is pig?


One of the top Australian zergs.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/PiG
Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
July 11 2013 01:27 GMT
#10
On July 11 2013 10:08 intense555 wrote:
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time.


Hm I disagree to a certain extent. The new system rewards skill and I think right now nobody would doubt that the Koreans are the best players. So they also deserve to have the success. But there are definitely some downsides to it. I actually did a video on that at the end of Season1 if you are interested:

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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
July 11 2013 01:54 GMT
#11
pretty good stuff
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hyunseung
Profile Joined July 2013
United States8 Posts
July 11 2013 02:08 GMT
#12
On July 11 2013 10:08 intense555 wrote:
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time.


It's literally discrimination to not let persons of a certain nationality play in a qualifying tournament.
Are you mad that Koreans are always on top? To have a tournament specifically set up to allow lower tier players to win is downright dumb and just shows obviously bias towards Korean players.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15726 Posts
July 11 2013 02:18 GMT
#13
On July 11 2013 11:08 hyunseung wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 10:08 intense555 wrote:
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time.


It's literally discrimination to not let persons of a certain nationality play in a qualifying tournament.
Are you mad that Koreans are always on top? To have a tournament specifically set up to allow lower tier players to win is downright dumb and just shows obviously bias towards Korean players.


Should people from the US be on Brazil's swim team for the Olympics?
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 11 2013 02:21 GMT
#14
On July 11 2013 11:18 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 11:08 hyunseung wrote:
On July 11 2013 10:08 intense555 wrote:
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time.


It's literally discrimination to not let persons of a certain nationality play in a qualifying tournament.
Are you mad that Koreans are always on top? To have a tournament specifically set up to allow lower tier players to win is downright dumb and just shows obviously bias towards Korean players.


Should people from the US be on Brazil's swim team for the Olympics?


This is a thread about the skill gap between Koreans and foreigners.

We already have 10 billion threads about the WCS format. No need to derail another thread.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15726 Posts
July 11 2013 02:24 GMT
#15
On July 11 2013 11:21 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 11:18 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 11 2013 11:08 hyunseung wrote:
On July 11 2013 10:08 intense555 wrote:
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time.


It's literally discrimination to not let persons of a certain nationality play in a qualifying tournament.
Are you mad that Koreans are always on top? To have a tournament specifically set up to allow lower tier players to win is downright dumb and just shows obviously bias towards Korean players.


Should people from the US be on Brazil's swim team for the Olympics?


This is a thread about the skill gap between Koreans and foreigners.

We already have 10 billion threads about the WCS format. No need to derail another thread.


You're right, my bad
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 11 2013 02:26 GMT
#16
On July 11 2013 11:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 11:21 lichter wrote:
On July 11 2013 11:18 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 11 2013 11:08 hyunseung wrote:
On July 11 2013 10:08 intense555 wrote:
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time.


It's literally discrimination to not let persons of a certain nationality play in a qualifying tournament.
Are you mad that Koreans are always on top? To have a tournament specifically set up to allow lower tier players to win is downright dumb and just shows obviously bias towards Korean players.


Should people from the US be on Brazil's swim team for the Olympics?


This is a thread about the skill gap between Koreans and foreigners.

We already have 10 billion threads about the WCS format. No need to derail another thread.


You're right, my bad


No probs, it is always tempting to post one's thoughts even though it doesn't fit the thread at hand

Anyway

Am I the only one always intimidated by Khaldor's muscles? They must be fueled by esports
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NapkinBox
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States314 Posts
July 11 2013 02:57 GMT
#17
On July 11 2013 11:08 hyunseung wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 10:08 intense555 wrote:
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time.


It's literally discrimination to not let persons of a certain nationality play in a qualifying tournament.
Are you mad that Koreans are always on top? To have a tournament specifically set up to allow lower tier players to win is downright dumb and just shows obviously bias towards Korean players.


The complaints about Koreans being in WCS EU and AM isn't discrimination in the WCS Finals; the complaints are from the people who wanted a Starcraft Olympics ala last year's WCS.

But yeah, we can't really complain about it anymore. WCS isn't the olympics anymore, so AM, EU, and KR are just "portals" to enter the tournament.
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snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
July 11 2013 03:17 GMT
#18
I havent watched it yet, but I personally feel that the skill gap is not nearly as big as people claim. The absolute best players can still lose to good foreigners its always a close match.
Kyaaaaa
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada46 Posts
July 11 2013 03:25 GMT
#19
On July 11 2013 10:08 intense555 wrote:
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time.

Might as well kcik out all the Australians and Chinese then also.
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
July 11 2013 03:31 GMT
#20
On July 11 2013 12:25 Kyaaaaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 10:08 intense555 wrote:
It literally isn't fair for koreans to play in WCS EU or WCS AM unless they live there full time.

Might as well kcik out all the Australians and Chinese then also.

Absolutely true
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