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On June 20 2013 08:41 alpenrahm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:36 VasHeR wrote:On June 20 2013 07:53 TheDwf wrote:
No, because I have neither Warp, nor the MSC, nor supply-free static defence, nor Observers to spot said Prism, nor can I afford to turtle passively until an unstoppable army if I'm afraid or simply unwilling to move out. Stop comparing both things like the general perspectives are the same for the two races. They're completely not the same. going to single out this idiotic statement, among many, displaying nonsensical terran whining. you have giant radars. make some. our giant radars cost more gas then any unit we make in tvp, gas is very limited to us, and it wont even help you shoot it down. btw, you should probably respect your elders... Dwf as been around here quite a long time and he s a very stable high lvl terra. so shove your idiotic statements up your arse.
if you consider him high lvl, than you do not have a very good concept of this game. Vasher is imba!
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On June 20 2013 08:44 virgo123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 07:09 rpgalon wrote:On June 20 2013 07:06 Akusta wrote:On June 20 2013 07:04 Brett wrote:On June 20 2013 07:02 GTPGlitch wrote:On June 20 2013 07:01 FXOTheoRy wrote:On June 20 2013 06:55 TheDwf wrote:On June 20 2013 06:54 Akusta wrote:
Prisms move faster than vikings. This is just silly. Yeah. Can't wait to have Zealots 24/7 rampaging my base because I can't finish a Prism with a Viking... speed medivacs same problem afaik barracks can't be put in medivacs "afaik warp prisms cant heal" Shall we continue the dumb comparison? Your argument is invalid. Which is better? 3+ heal to one unit? Or arbitrary instant troop deployment across the map from 30 production facilities? it's the same as a doomdrop from terran, except the units warped have shit dps and can't retreat. zealots\DT's have bad dps wtf?
Compared to a hellbat, yeah, it does pretty crappy DPS.
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On June 20 2013 08:41 alpenrahm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:36 VasHeR wrote:On June 20 2013 07:53 TheDwf wrote:
No, because I have neither Warp, nor the MSC, nor supply-free static defence, nor Observers to spot said Prism, nor can I afford to turtle passively until an unstoppable army if I'm afraid or simply unwilling to move out. Stop comparing both things like the general perspectives are the same for the two races. They're completely not the same. going to single out this idiotic statement, among many, displaying nonsensical terran whining. you have giant radars. make some. our giant radars cost more gas then any unit we make in tvp, gas is very limited to us, and it wont even help you shoot it down. btw, you should probably respect your elders... Dwf as been around here quite a long time and he s a very stable high lvl terra. so shove your idiotic statements up your arse.
Just because he is high level terran doesn't mean it isn't whine. Respecting someones opinion for whether they have been around a long time isn't very smart. You should take his opinion with the validity of his claim. Terrans even in the highest levels frequently float 2000+ gas in even code S games in both TvZ and TvP, to say that Terran don't have spare gas makes no sense when all of their units are so mineral heavy (excluding sky terran) compared to gas costs. I even remember Terrans complaining that ghosts were too mineral heavy and not gas heavy enough only 6 months ago.
Next time when you need a doctor don't take his medicine, you should go to your garden and pick some herbal remedies because they have been around for thousands of years, whereas modern medicine is new. Therefore herbal remedies demand more respect.
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On June 20 2013 06:59 Akusta wrote:
Don't worry guys. Just make a defensive Battle Cruiser to yamato that thing out of the sky. Ez.
You can also use a nuke right? I don't see this as a good idea personally [the speed boost, not the nuke]
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On June 20 2013 08:41 peidongyang wrote:
Inb4 second overlord speed upgrade at hive for ludicrous speed overlords :D
I Hope that Zerg drops are buffed, Though i hope is a more creative buff than simply speed.
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I couldnt care less about being harassed with warp prisms in tvp, but I just want to know how Z is gonna deal with these changes.
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Cool.
Let me know when you fix hellbats and I'll get my happy dance on
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On June 20 2013 08:50 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:41 peidongyang wrote:
Inb4 second overlord speed upgrade at hive for ludicrous speed overlords :D I Hope that Zerg drops are buffed, Though i hope is a more creative buff than simply speed.
Tbh what we need is faster unload times than the other races, that is the weakness of our drops. We get more units but all of them that we would risk in a drop are much weaker than any other race. Having 1 zergling drop out of an overlord at a time is simply not useful at all.
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I have a feeling this will not effect the MUs well. Admittedly since Blizzard tends to be reluctant in reverting buffs, this might cause a nerf in the protoss power units, possibly making protoss gateway army stronger and the power units weaker in return. Dunno, it's just frustrating seeing blizzard try everything they can to balance protoss when the issue is and has always been warp gate tech(and weak gateway units as an effect of it).
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On June 20 2013 08:33 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:32 Ansinjunger wrote:On June 20 2013 08:24 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2013 08:21 Jormundr wrote:On June 20 2013 07:01 FXOTheoRy wrote:On June 20 2013 06:55 TheDwf wrote:On June 20 2013 06:54 Akusta wrote:
Prisms move faster than vikings. This is just silly. Yeah. Can't wait to have Zealots 24/7 rampaging my base because I can't finish a Prism with a Viking... speed medivacs same problem Ignite afterburners Cooldown 20s -Speed boost that increases movement speed and acceleration to 4.25 for 8 seconds. Phoenix -Base movement speed: 4.25 No. Um. a phoenix takes like 2000 shots to kill a single medivac. They can literally unload all their marines and kill the phoenix before it kills the medivac. Why would you have only one phoenix anyway? But yes, they kill Medivacs rather slowly compared to vikings. Why would you only have one viking anyway?
Is this cute response supposed to mean anything? Building a single phoenix for drop defense won't allow you to harass or kill anything lifted by graviton beam. It's a waste of money and time, delaying tech. At best, you can hope to set the terran back some minerals in turrets, but your tech is still delayed. One other thing you could hope is that he's afraid to drop, even though you've only shown one phoenix.
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United Kingdom12042 Posts
I really like this change and I'm a meching Terran.
Maybe it'll force Bio players into playing a little more conservatively and due to the readiness of turrets as mech it really shouldn't be an issue for me what so ever.
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On June 20 2013 08:55 FCReverie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:50 Cyanocyst wrote:On June 20 2013 08:41 peidongyang wrote:
Inb4 second overlord speed upgrade at hive for ludicrous speed overlords :D I Hope that Zerg drops are buffed, Though i hope is a more creative buff than simply speed. Tbh what we need is faster unload times than the other races, that is the weakness of our drops. We get more units but all of them that we would risk in a drop are much weaker than any other race. Having 1 zergling drop out of an overlord at a time is simply not useful at all.
OL drops are OK, its Nydus worms that need a re-think. Haven't seen a Nydus in a tournament since 2011
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ITT: Terrans crying.
Warp prism is a joke atm compared to terran drops.
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On June 20 2013 09:03 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:55 FCReverie wrote:On June 20 2013 08:50 Cyanocyst wrote:On June 20 2013 08:41 peidongyang wrote:
Inb4 second overlord speed upgrade at hive for ludicrous speed overlords :D I Hope that Zerg drops are buffed, Though i hope is a more creative buff than simply speed. Tbh what we need is faster unload times than the other races, that is the weakness of our drops. We get more units but all of them that we would risk in a drop are much weaker than any other race. Having 1 zergling drop out of an overlord at a time is simply not useful at all. OL drops are OK, its Nydus worms that need a re-think. Haven't seen a Nydus in a tournament since 2011
so i take it you never watch gsl?
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On June 20 2013 09:03 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:55 FCReverie wrote:On June 20 2013 08:50 Cyanocyst wrote:On June 20 2013 08:41 peidongyang wrote:
Inb4 second overlord speed upgrade at hive for ludicrous speed overlords :D I Hope that Zerg drops are buffed, Though i hope is a more creative buff than simply speed. Tbh what we need is faster unload times than the other races, that is the weakness of our drops. We get more units but all of them that we would risk in a drop are much weaker than any other race. Having 1 zergling drop out of an overlord at a time is simply not useful at all. OL drops are OK, its Nydus worms that need a re-think. Haven't seen a Nydus in a tournament since 2011
You need to watch more tournaments then o.O
Symbol used it a hell of a lot in ZvZ, same with Life and Hyun, i've seen it done with roach/hydra vs T at high masters+ to provide the extra mobility needed to deal with drops.
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On June 20 2013 09:03 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 08:55 FCReverie wrote:On June 20 2013 08:50 Cyanocyst wrote:On June 20 2013 08:41 peidongyang wrote:
Inb4 second overlord speed upgrade at hive for ludicrous speed overlords :D I Hope that Zerg drops are buffed, Though i hope is a more creative buff than simply speed. Tbh what we need is faster unload times than the other races, that is the weakness of our drops. We get more units but all of them that we would risk in a drop are much weaker than any other race. Having 1 zergling drop out of an overlord at a time is simply not useful at all. OL drops are OK, its Nydus worms that need a re-think. Haven't seen a Nydus in a tournament since 2011
Just saw them two days ago in the OSL.
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Northern Ireland27046 Posts
In his defence I'm seeing a lot of Nydus based all-ins rather than consistent and worthwhile use of the Nydus as a go-to part of the Zerg arsenal
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I want to see an overlord hp/armor boost, so it doesn't matter how many turrets you make, all my stuff will still drop. Just so I can see more terran tears. Jesus christ what a lot of whining on the first page. Imagine if they had gone through with the hellbat rebalance.
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Nice change, and I am a terran player btw. Protoss need some more viable harass that doesn't involve them going allin.
Guess i'll be getting some sensor towers in TvP.
It must not be much fun just sitting in your base defending and trying to hit a timing without taking much damage. Should make toss a little more exciting to watch at the pro level too, because at the minute IN GENERAL the protoss matchups are pretty dull to watch (imho)
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