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Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
June 19 2013 23:30 GMT
#121
LoL terrans are bitching about Warp Prism speed. The irony. I guess hellbat drops are fine, but faster warp prisms... God forbid. Now they just have to add some kind of harassing unit, so we can actually use the prisms.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
June 19 2013 23:32 GMT
#122
yayy warp prims so much fun
My religion is Starcraft
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 23:33:03
June 19 2013 23:32 GMT
#123
On June 20 2013 08:29 pivor wrote:
So protoss gets premanently boosted medivac that is cheaper than original and one can drop entire army wherever it wants? Blizz pls..


Not even close
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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
June 19 2013 23:32 GMT
#124
On June 20 2013 08:24 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 08:21 Jormundr wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:01 FXOTheoRy wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:55 TheDwf wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:54 Akusta wrote:
Prisms move faster than vikings. This is just silly.

Yeah. Can't wait to have Zealots 24/7 rampaging my base because I can't finish a Prism with a Viking...

speed medivacs same problem

Ignite afterburners
Cooldown 20s
-Speed boost that increases movement speed and acceleration to 4.25 for 8 seconds.

Phoenix
-Base movement speed: 4.25


No.


Um. a phoenix takes like 2000 shots to kill a single medivac. They can literally unload all their marines and kill the phoenix before it kills the medivac.


Why would you have only one phoenix anyway? But yes, they kill Medivacs rather slowly compared to vikings.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
June 19 2013 23:33 GMT
#125
On June 20 2013 08:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 08:24 Plansix wrote:
On June 20 2013 08:21 Jormundr wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:01 FXOTheoRy wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:55 TheDwf wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:54 Akusta wrote:
Prisms move faster than vikings. This is just silly.

Yeah. Can't wait to have Zealots 24/7 rampaging my base because I can't finish a Prism with a Viking...

speed medivacs same problem

Ignite afterburners
Cooldown 20s
-Speed boost that increases movement speed and acceleration to 4.25 for 8 seconds.

Phoenix
-Base movement speed: 4.25


No.


Um. a phoenix takes like 2000 shots to kill a single medivac. They can literally unload all their marines and kill the phoenix before it kills the medivac.


Why would you have only one phoenix anyway? But yes, they kill Medivacs rather slowly compared to vikings.


Why would you only have one viking anyway?
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Soke
Profile Joined September 2012
United States790 Posts
June 19 2013 23:33 GMT
#126
People are saying it drops entire armies. It does have to stop and warp you know. It is basically equal to speedvacs. Less original speed than boosted, but no cooldown. Protoss
Djsoke
VasHeR
Profile Joined June 2011
166 Posts
June 19 2013 23:36 GMT
#127
On June 20 2013 07:53 TheDwf wrote:
No, because I have neither Warp, nor the MSC, nor supply-free static defence, nor Observers to spot said Prism, nor can I afford to turtle passively until an unstoppable army if I'm afraid or simply unwilling to move out. Stop comparing both things like the general perspectives are the same for the two races. They're completely not the same.

going to single out this idiotic statement, among many, displaying nonsensical terran whining.
you have giant radars. make some.
marcjpb
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada64 Posts
June 19 2013 23:38 GMT
#128
On June 20 2013 06:54 Akusta wrote:
Prisms move faster than vikings. This is just silly.


But medival being faster then viking, thats fine though right ?
And you know what else grinds my gears? You America! Fuck you! - Peter Griffin
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
June 19 2013 23:39 GMT
#129
Have the people complaining even played the game yet? Do you even play bro?
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
June 19 2013 23:40 GMT
#130
I don't mind the speed buffs honestly.

What i mind is the patch where they made Warp prisms like 70 percent shields and 30 percent hull. Now that they are faster, they are more likely to get away before taking any real dmg.


At least with medivacs, the dmg done to the medivac is permanent. Well effectively permanent as no one has the Apm to repair them yet.

I wish they were more like 40 percent shields and 60 percent hull.
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Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
June 19 2013 23:41 GMT
#131
I think everyone should be afraid of having to watch every Zerg mass spores and spines for 40 minutes every game. Man, nydus is so shitty compare to these methods of transport.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
June 19 2013 23:41 GMT
#132
Inb4 second overlord speed upgrade at hive for ludicrous speed overlords :D
the throws never bothered me anyway
alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany629 Posts
June 19 2013 23:41 GMT
#133
On June 20 2013 08:36 VasHeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 07:53 TheDwf wrote:
No, because I have neither Warp, nor the MSC, nor supply-free static defence, nor Observers to spot said Prism, nor can I afford to turtle passively until an unstoppable army if I'm afraid or simply unwilling to move out. Stop comparing both things like the general perspectives are the same for the two races. They're completely not the same.

going to single out this idiotic statement, among many, displaying nonsensical terran whining.
you have giant radars. make some.


our giant radars cost more gas then any unit we make in tvp, gas is very limited to us, and it wont even help you shoot it down.

btw, you should probably respect your elders... Dwf as been around here quite a long time and he s a very stable high lvl terra.
so shove your idiotic statements up your arse.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
June 19 2013 23:43 GMT
#134
On June 20 2013 08:12 Plansix wrote:
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On June 20 2013 08:10 ChristianS wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:27 dcemuser wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:19 ChristianS wrote:
I don't even understand what this argument is. Whether warp prisms or speed medivacs are "better" at doom drops? Even if speed medivacs are better, isn't Terran supposed to be a great deal more mobile anyway? Why is the assumption that all three races should be equivalent in every regard?

As far as actual constructive discussion: what is the proper Terran response to warp prism harass play now? Vikings don't work to chase it down, they can only sit around and shoot the warp prism if it flies in, which you could do anyway by leaving your army at home. If you stay at home with all your vikings, they're wasted supply, and if you stay at home with your whole army, you've done exactly what Protoss wanted in the first place anyway.

So... turrets? I'm thinking place buildings with a lot of small crevasses, and leave hellbats in them to fight zealots. SCVs can repair if need be, and that should buy time for the next round of production to come out. Maybe a few marines, too, since hellbats don't do so well against DTs. Leaving ~10 supply at home should be safe (I think).


Just use standard TvT defense strat: 1 Viking, 1 Turret, 1 Bunker at each base.

No, but seriously all you truly need is a Viking and a Turret to kill the fragile prism. You don't have to chase it at all.

Obvious question: one viking and one turret might have the DPS to take down a warp prism before it warps in, but what stops the warp prism from flying to a different part of your base where there isn't a turret? The viking on its own definitely cannot take the warp prism down fast enough to stop it from dropping/warping in

The warp prism also can't deploy and warp in a full set of units without risking being popped like a zit. Seriously, when did you ever see a warp prism stop and deploy while a viking was unloading on it?

Well... but it can, though. Viking DPS is 10, and warp prisms have 200 health. Warp-in takes 5 seconds, which means suiciding a warp prism, you have 15 seconds to position it and change into warp-in mode. So with a single Viking unloading on it, you can easily warp in a round of zealots (or even a couple stalkers to kill that viking). And that's assuming the Viking spots you on the way in. If the warp prism makes it to the base undetected, it can warp in, and then fly away before the Viking can even do hull damage.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 19 2013 23:44 GMT
#135
On June 20 2013 08:41 alpenrahm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 08:36 VasHeR wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:53 TheDwf wrote:
No, because I have neither Warp, nor the MSC, nor supply-free static defence, nor Observers to spot said Prism, nor can I afford to turtle passively until an unstoppable army if I'm afraid or simply unwilling to move out. Stop comparing both things like the general perspectives are the same for the two races. They're completely not the same.

going to single out this idiotic statement, among many, displaying nonsensical terran whining.
you have giant radars. make some.


our giant radars cost more gas then any unit we make in tvp, gas is very limited to us, and it wont even help you shoot it down.

btw, you should probably respect your elders... Dwf as been around here quite a long time and he s a very stable high lvl terra.
so shove your idiotic statements up your arse.

Dwf is also one of the largest terran whiners out there, so he earns what he gets.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2104 Posts
June 19 2013 23:44 GMT
#136
On June 20 2013 08:14 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 07:01 FXOTheoRy wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:55 TheDwf wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:54 Akusta wrote:
Prisms move faster than vikings. This is just silly.

Yeah. Can't wait to have Zealots 24/7 rampaging my base because I can't finish a Prism with a Viking...

speed medivacs same problem

No one said that the Medivac turbo was any better or ok ...

They want all drops to be nascars that zip and zoom all over the map with no way to actually react to them.
virgo123
Profile Joined January 2013
6 Posts
June 19 2013 23:44 GMT
#137
On June 20 2013 07:09 rpgalon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 07:06 Akusta wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:04 Brett wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:02 GTPGlitch wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:01 FXOTheoRy wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:55 TheDwf wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:54 Akusta wrote:
Prisms move faster than vikings. This is just silly.

Yeah. Can't wait to have Zealots 24/7 rampaging my base because I can't finish a Prism with a Viking...

speed medivacs same problem


afaik barracks can't be put in medivacs

"afaik warp prisms cant heal"

Shall we continue the dumb comparison?


Your argument is invalid. Which is better? 3+ heal to one unit? Or arbitrary instant troop deployment across the map from 30 production facilities?

it's the same as a doomdrop from terran, except the units warped have shit dps and can't retreat.


zealots\DT's have bad dps wtf?
virgo123
Profile Joined January 2013
6 Posts
June 19 2013 23:46 GMT
#138
On June 20 2013 07:21 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 07:06 Akusta wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:04 Brett wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:02 GTPGlitch wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:01 FXOTheoRy wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:55 TheDwf wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:54 Akusta wrote:
Prisms move faster than vikings. This is just silly.

Yeah. Can't wait to have Zealots 24/7 rampaging my base because I can't finish a Prism with a Viking...

speed medivacs same problem


afaik barracks can't be put in medivacs

"afaik warp prisms cant heal"

Shall we continue the dumb comparison?


Your argument is invalid. Which is better? 3+ heal to one unit? Or arbitrary instant troop deployment across the map from 30 production facilities?

Exaggerating doesn't make your argument any stronger either. 30 production facilities? The fuck?


hes referring to late game, which i have seen 30 gateways before
Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
June 19 2013 23:46 GMT
#139
On June 20 2013 08:41 alpenrahm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 08:36 VasHeR wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:53 TheDwf wrote:
No, because I have neither Warp, nor the MSC, nor supply-free static defence, nor Observers to spot said Prism, nor can I afford to turtle passively until an unstoppable army if I'm afraid or simply unwilling to move out. Stop comparing both things like the general perspectives are the same for the two races. They're completely not the same.

going to single out this idiotic statement, among many, displaying nonsensical terran whining.
you have giant radars. make some.


our giant radars cost more gas then any unit we make in tvp, [b]gas is very limited to us[/b], and it wont even help you shoot it down.

btw, you should probably respect your elders... Dwf as been around here quite a long time and he s a very stable high lvl terra.
so shove your idiotic statements up your arse.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA, you're a joke.

unless you play mech, then you're cool.
Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-19 23:48:50
June 19 2013 23:47 GMT
#140
On June 20 2013 07:06 Akusta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 07:04 Brett wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:02 GTPGlitch wrote:
On June 20 2013 07:01 FXOTheoRy wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:55 TheDwf wrote:
On June 20 2013 06:54 Akusta wrote:
Prisms move faster than vikings. This is just silly.

Yeah. Can't wait to have Zealots 24/7 rampaging my base because I can't finish a Prism with a Viking...

speed medivacs same problem


afaik barracks can't be put in medivacs

"afaik warp prisms cant heal"

Shall we continue the dumb comparison?


Your argument is invalid. Which is better? 3+ heal to one unit? Or arbitrary instant troop deployment across the map from 30 production facilities?

When I get 30 production facilities, getting a 100/100 upgrade or not won't already matter.


This is more early-mid game buff where protoss can be forced to be very passive with no options to attack or harass. So warp prisms can help put some of the pressure back to the opponent.
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