Ex-Karont3 removed from Acer Teamstory Cup - Page 4

We were kicked out of the Acer TeamStory Cup.

First a little background. As you know, following the departure of LucifroN and VortiX from Karont3 and the subsequent closure of the SC2 section, the remaining members of the team decided to stay together playing in the competition. We played out our next match against Acer and we and won 5-3. This allowed us to go second in the league with 6 wins and 2 losses, after playing against every team in eight playdays (exactly half).

So far so normal. Once the game against Acer was done I ask the admin with which we communicate regularly whether we could make 1 or 2 signings to regain a 5 player roster as it was the number of players that we had before the departure of my brothers, and the minimum required by the league is 4. At that time we had only 3 players: LoLvsxD, VIPRO and Socke. Making 2 signings would at least have maintained 60% of the original team. At first the admin said yes, we can sign all the players we want with a single constraint: if the ATC had played with another team we had to wait two days (T/N playdays?) to play with us. He said to me that he would talk to the rest but that there should not be a problem , and tells me to talk to TaKe (the boss of TakeTV) to confirm. The next day, I talked to TaKe and he confirmed me, and asked me to tell who we signed as soon as possible and under what name we want to compete from then on. We started looking for players and, after a couple of days and after asking many players and teams sortof Thorzain and joined us (with the consent of EG and WW). This was ideal as we replaced a terran and zerg players from the same races, while also keeping the original number of players on the team.

Once the team was formed, I returned to speak to TaKe who gave me the OK and refered me to another admin, other than the first, to give him all the info to post the changes on the website. To our surprise, this second admin tells me for the first time that NO, we can't have these new players, as their teams played the qualifiers for the ATC and therefore would not be eligible. At that time we said that the first admin did not tell us anything, and we already had the OK of TaKe. Furthermore, I said that we had been moving to contact players and their teams and had the OK from everyone (TFunk and SortOf and their teams) also, EG and WW didnt play the actual league (only tuq qualis i assume). He does not budge (despite being contradicting his own boss) and asks me to wait for one day, so he could talk to TaKe and other TakeTV admins.

The next day, I return to speak to the admin that FIRST said NO and now he said yes, we can play with those signings: "Word of TaKe" he says. Then the admin sends a mail that informs all managers of all the teams about the changes, hoping that theycan live with it in some way" and hopes to "accept this decision, which has been very difficult to make ". In this mail I thought the admin was reporting something that he didnt agree. After the mail, the managers of two teams who play the league answer by saying that it's not okay, it's against the rules since we are not a real team and also would be playing with 3 jokers. I tell them that's true, but we just tried to stay in the league with the same number of players we had before and even with players of the same race, so that the league can continue with as few changes as possible. However, they are still on their heels, giving rise to some other team will join the protests and that the admin changes his mind again.

Now the head admin of TakeTV appears and we're speaking about the subject with him. He tells us it is impossible to go on with these two signings. We tried to continue to speak but it was his final decision, so I finally had to tell sortof and Thorzain they couldn't play. Some teams proposed that the league could continue with allowing everyone to revive a player on each playday so that we could finish the league with 3 players. Quickly, the admins and some teams discarded the solution, clinging to the existing revive number rule of per season (which is 2).

After this, we tried to propose several solutions. The first was to continue doing one or two signings of players who were completely teamless, so that we would be a team of teamless players + 1 joker: Socke. This, in my point of view, does not contradict any league rule. However, they also told us that it is not possible, since it does not meet the league admins' definition of an "ideal" team and we weren't a team / organization really. To that we responded to a group of people without team that got together to play the league, having played most of them eight days and have always strictly complied schedules and keeping the same manager, could play quietly with the obligations of the league as the other teams, as we had done so far. But nothing, no way. We decided to propose another solution: continue to do without signings and additional revives, using me as the 4th player, so we would not give a defwin in each match. The same four people who had played under the tag of Karont3, unchanged, except for a name change. In this new proposal, the response was that they could not do that because "a match of a professional player vs Ryo would not be interesting for spectators and would be unfair" and therefore we did not have enough players to continue.

After that we tried to follow up by explaining them that it was better to not disappear from the league after finishing second, forfeiting all our previous matches and leaving the league with a team less midseason. In addition, we were the same as we had been throughout the league, we had met every team once, and we wanted to continue even with no signings, since our 3 players were eager to continue and we could have even reached the final as could be seen with our win against Acer. After speaking with the head admin for the last time, he said that in a few hours he would give me a definitive answer. After a while, I was given notice that we are out of the league and that this decision was final, because we are not meeting the definition of an "ideal" team for them. At that time I gave him examples of some teams that played in the American qualifier for ATC that aren't professional teams and I asked him to explain how we are different from them. At that time the admin disconnects from skype and and went missing. I have not heard from him since then. Socke and VIPRO have tried talking to them on their own, but nothing, we're out.

My personal opinion about this is that after losing VortiX and Luci, some teams had expect that we would dissapear, which benefits everyone except MVP (the only one that have not spoken about it, to my knowledge) and increased their chances to get into the top 4 (playoffs). Seeing that this was not about to happen, and that we would continue with a good team that even could beat Acer with 3 players, they decided to put pressure on the admins for us being expelled, and the admins caved in and did their part.At the end of the day, we were the small team.

Its a shame, as LoLvsxD, Socke and VIPRO wanted to continue, but just have to leave. At the end all I asked was to allow us to continue to play as the same we had so far, except with two less players, without breaking any rules or anything special. Simply continue. But as I said, they didnt let us. And not because we have not tried since, as you see, we have tried everything.

You already see that the string of excuses that they gave us have been very mixed, and that the admins have been passing the ball to each other until the final outcome. The reasons that are according to the rules can be accepted. Although this situation is exceptional I can understand they did not want to make exceptions to the rules, even though there are teams that are weeks late in their schedule and it seems that nothing happens, or that my brothers could have played immediately and without any problem with their new team after playing with us (where are the two (T/N play-)days of penalty in this case?). However, the last reasons they gave us had no weight behind them to leave the league without a team.

Anyway, just to say thanks to all who had followed us all the way. Sorry we can not continue, because we believe that there were chances to get to the playoffs, especially after the match against Acer. Also thanks to the 3 players that we had, we have been trying to continue our path in the league, and also thanks to TaKe, which gave me the impression of being the only one of the admins I spoke to who used common sense and he really wanted us to continue, but I suppose being surrounded by so many people you have to accept what the majority says. Greetings!

On June 11 2013 03:54 Nerchio wrote:
If you think about it, it would be understandable if the players JOINED K3 but there can only be 1 joker so taking thorzain and sortof makes absolutely no sense. On the other hand they could let them play it out with 3 players but what if they all lose, the clan war looks just silly when they have no player for the last match.