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graan
Germany589 Posts
On June 13 2013 06:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Mouz have already started sending out LucifroN. (look no further than today's match against Axiom) ^^ seems kinda wrong, double standards? wasnt there a rule you cant change your rooster within the season? | ||
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frozzz
Croatia118 Posts
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Nox_Irwom14
Spain1 Post
It's shameful that the admins prefer to lose the 2nd team with leting any reasonable solution take place. It's shameful that VortiX and LucifroN are able to play the Acer Teamstory Cup as mouz players ignoring the 2 weeks of penalty but not let Karont3 get new players. A shameful league which I will not be following anymore. | ||
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NAMeCHa
36 Posts
I can understand not letting Thorzain and Sortof play, but I see nothing wrong with 2 players + manager + joker or 2 players + joker + revives - they are literally playing completely inside the rules there. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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havok55
United States276 Posts
People blaming ATC admins are ridiculous. What are you even mad about? The team is gone, and the only people you can blame for that is their management. Almost all the players already jumped ship and would probably prefer to play with their new team then on some phantom one. Why should a bunch of random players be allowed to form a new team to join a league halfway through? | ||
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KingHiram
Germany21 Posts
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leova
266 Posts
On June 13 2013 05:18 mikkmagro wrote: It isn't bogus, mouz is the same..they just recruited two players and removed one. How is ADDING 2 players and then SUBTRACTING one anywhere close to "the same" ?? I think you need a dictionary bro... And I will again mention the double-standard (Karont3 can't play with LESS players, but Mouz can add MORE and not have any issues!) | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 13 2013 05:08 Plansix wrote: It sort of a weird thing to plan for and rules can't address ever situation perfectly. I mean, how you do make a rule for: "What if a team qualifies and plays, but half way through they disband and a bunch of their players leave. But the rest of their players want to stay on as a "team", but they are all free agents and they want to pull in a few other players from other teams to fill out the roster. None of these players are going to become a new "team", they just want to finish out the season under the same banner. Should we have a rule for that?" I think playing it by ear is better for this one and just making the calls as they come in, rather than trying to make rules that address every possible thing that could happen. Overly specific rules just end up screwing people over. There is nothing overly complicated about having a team forfeit all their remaining matches if the team disbands. We had similar rule sets in clan leagues for BW. It isn't a far-fetched idea because in competitive gaming we see this happen all the time. If there were a given rule none of this crap would have surfaced. We wouldn't have the issue with the Admin. In either case like I said before, this isn't the only thing I find problematic with this team league and once we read their mandate. It raises a lot of questions about the fairness and the actual quality of this team league to begin with. None of which have been addressed. It's chaos. It makes the EG Master's Cup look good and heck, they use a similar format to WGTour. They've had problems themselves but nothing compared to the crap we hear about with the ATC. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On June 13 2013 09:48 NAMeCHa wrote: I would personally go with the precedent IPTL set (which coincidentally K3 benefited from) which was that the remaining SlayerS players could still play even after their disbanding. I can understand not letting Thorzain and Sortof play, but I see nothing wrong with 2 players + manager + joker or 2 players + joker + revives - they are literally playing completely inside the rules there. Yeah, but there were still enough Slayers players to finish a Bo9. K3 has like 2 players left, and 1 is the manager. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 13 2013 11:52 Bagration wrote: Yeah, but there were still enough Slayers players to finish a Bo9. K3 has like 2 players left, and 1 is the manager. Didn't IPTL have a rule about playing the same players more than once even if they lost several times and it wasn't an Ace match? | ||
Waxangel
United States33492 Posts
See, this is the problem. The actual decision aside, there are a number of fans that are simply bothered by the attitude of the TakeTV tournament organization. A lot of organizers are criticized blazing ahead with what they believe is right (MLG for instance) without listening to the opinions of others, but it's possible to have the exactly opposite problem, which seems to be the case with TakeTV right now. There's no definitive stance, the admins are waffling back and forth, and all of this just leads to confusion and the perception of an incompetent organization. It's hard to strike the right balance between being flexible and being principled, but as it is now, you may have veered too far in one direction. The super-relaxed attitude works at HomeStory because that's the character of the tournament itself, but as you can see, some people expect something different for the ATC. | ||
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ArcadeR
Germany199 Posts
Honestly, in the last few months it looked as if TakeTV couldn't get their shit together. Sometimes ATC was played and it wasn't even listed in the featured stream section cause no one put it there...liquipedia articles are not updated, linked to the stream, rosterchanges are not updated and so on.... small things here and there, but alltogether it looks like TakeTV is a little bit too relaxed when it comes to their work. That's how it looks from the outside. Keep the good work up, but get some structure in your daily workflow and think twice about every tournament rule you make (yeah, making rules is NOT easy. But as everyone can see it leads to serious bullshit when someone fails at it). | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On June 11 2013 03:36 StarStruck wrote: It's for the competitive spirit. What do you do? Ask Mouz if VortiX/LucifroN finish up this little event with them? Finish what they started? Not sure if Mouz are one of the finalists who qualified lmao. Like I said before, I don't really pay attention to all the bush league shit. Every organization wants to have their own little mini tournament it appears. So I checked. Looks like Mouz is out. How about we do everyone a favor and let the two brothers wrap this up by playing with the team that's not even sponsored by Karont3 anymore? wtf are you talking about? mouz isn't "out" they can still qualify for the playoffs and the atc is not a "little mini tournament" ,it's the biggest non-korean team league we have atm so I dont know if you hate take tv or just have fun being toxic but pls stop being so unnecessarily negative towards everything... as to the situation: I think there is nothing wrong with letting the team continue with the manager as 4th player but admins are admins after all and they make the rules unfortunate but true :/ | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On June 13 2013 16:10 ArcadeR wrote: Reminds me of the "decision" made last HSC in case of the XlorD-Stephano match.... looked horrible, and now this (despite the fact that my personal opinion is that TakeTV made an ok-decision but is simply terrible when it comes to communication lately...). Some rules have to be made clear and crisp, so they can be followed without "extra decisions" by admins. Sometimes it turns out that some rules are not fair in all cases. But if everyone knows about them, its still ok. Giving every important rule an extra-admin-option doesn't work, and it doesn't look professional (because it simply is amateurish). Honestly, in the last few months it looked as if TakeTV couldn't get their shit together. Sometimes ATC was played and it wasn't even listed in the featured stream section cause no one put it there...liquipedia articles are not updated, linked to the stream, rosterchanges are not updated and so on.... small things here and there, but alltogether it looks like TakeTV is a little bit too relaxed when it comes to their work. That's how it looks from the outside. Keep the good work up, but get some structure in your daily workflow and think twice about every tournament rule you make (yeah, making rules is NOT easy. But as everyone can see it leads to serious bullshit when someone fails at it). how is it the job of taketv to update liquipdia? o.O | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
On June 13 2013 19:15 sVnteen wrote: wtf are you talking about? mouz isn't "out" they can still qualify for the playoffs and the atc is not a "little mini tournament" ,it's the biggest non-korean team league we have atm so I dont know if you hate take tv or just have fun being toxic but pls stop being so unnecessarily negative towards everything... as to the situation: I think there is nothing wrong with letting the team continue with the manager as 4th player but admins are admins after all and they make the rules unfortunate but true :/ But it was already known that Vipro will go to complexity. so thats three players then, unless you let him play for K3. Then you would have two players who play for different teams in the lineup already. On top of that they disbanded their sc2 squad. Sure you could say, just get some random players, pay them 5 bucks to play the teamcup and join the non existent k3 team and immediatly disband after the cup, but thats a bit shitty i think. I can understand that K3 fans arent very happy about this, but i fail to see why there is so much drama. | ||
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ArcadeR
Germany199 Posts
On June 13 2013 19:17 sVnteen wrote: how is it the job of taketv to update liquipdia? o.O not directly their job...but if it's their event they should look from time to time if Liquipedia is up to date and correct. It's a small thing that doesn't take much time to do and according to the fact how many ppl are checking liquipedia for the latest results I'd say it improves the viewers/users experience of the TakeTV Content. Short: there is no excuse for not keeping it up2date by yourself if none of your viewer does it for you. | ||
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Tppz!
Germany1449 Posts
On June 13 2013 20:25 ArcadeR wrote: not directly their job...but if it's their event they should look from time to time if Liquipedia is up to date and correct. It's a small thing that doesn't take much time to do and according to the fact how many ppl are checking liquipedia for the latest results I'd say it improves the viewers/users experience of the TakeTV Content. Short: there is no excuse for not keeping it up2date by yourself if none of your viewer does it for you. NO! just no! it cant be the Job of an organiser to work for a Website which is doing the same as you are on your own site. liquipedia has stats and stuff. but if you have your own grid and stuff you shouldnt do double the work and update everything you worked for on another site. | ||
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ArcadeR
Germany199 Posts
On June 13 2013 20:37 Tppz! wrote: NO! just no! it cant be the Job of an organiser to work for a Website which is doing the same as you are on your own site. liquipedia has stats and stuff. but if you have your own grid and stuff you shouldnt do double the work and update everything you worked for on another site. If your opinion is that I'm totally wrong, ok. But don't state it here like if its a fact... run your own company and you will look different at such stuff. If I think my image gets damaged by an lazy-updated wiki entry that takes an hour to create and 5-15 minutes to update...I'll fix it myself. Thx. And now let this little, small, tiny point be and thats it. That was not the topic ^^. | ||
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