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On June 01 2013 04:53 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 04:47 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:On June 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:33 Canucklehead wrote:On June 01 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:20 Canucklehead wrote:On June 01 2013 04:12 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:07 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 04:03 Shiori wrote:
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And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right? What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG. This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend? Not sure what's so hard to understand. I want last year's format. Open bracket plus korean seeds for group play. You're trying to push an extreme system of invite only system with top koreans as a counter argument, when no one argued that. We already had the perfect format last year at mlgs. So you want an unfair event that favors players from Korea on teams that have deals with MGL to secure the seeds in to group play? Why not just cut out the open bracket and stop that side show? Its not like it really matters in that format, since the players seeded into group play have to play one third of the games. Yup, I loved last year's format. I like the open bracket too so you can have someone like leenock make an open bracket run and win it. Yeah, last years format was a side show, with stupid eSF and Kespa only brackets to assure they qualified to be seeded directly into group play. It provided unfair advantages to players who did not earn them and did everything it could to seed "big names" into group play. Players who had to go through the open bracket got the shaft for no other reason than they couldn't make deals with MLG to be seeded into the event. you're really gonna say the Koreans didn't deserve to make it though when there also were brackets that ensured EU and especially NA players making it through? i agree that the format sucked, but the Koreans were not the ones that didn't deserve to be there. If they are that good, they can slog through the open bracket just like everyone else. I know that some people get very upset at the concept of Innovation or Flash having to dirty their hands by playing in the open bracket against "unworthy opponents", but any other system is just unfair and not real competition. Maybe I'm blind, but what was wrong with this?Tonnes of foreigners, tonnes of top Koreans, including some open bracket runs by people like Rain. What in the world was wrong with that?
The main problem with MLG Fall 2012 was the MLG vs Proleague Invitational which was an event specifically designed to seed Proleague players into the group play. It had no other purpose but to assure any player who came over would not have to play in the open bracket. It provided some other players seeds they didn't earn either, which is also total BS.
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On June 01 2013 04:57 DeathProfessor wrote:
The prize pool matters so much because we will be winning it right?
heh
Also we should just be happy there is any SC2 at all.
I think if Sundance didn't think it would be gigantically bad PR he would have dropped SC2 and went mix of LoL and CoD:Ghosts. This was the big compromise, less losses, no large footprint and no news story "SC2 dropped from MLG, Blizzard shaken as they got backstabbed by their partner"
2 things: 1, CoD:Ghosts isn't out. 2, SC2 brings in A LOT of viewers, maybe not as much as LoL, but it's still a very huge amount of people (last MLG had about 130k concurrent viewers). So the idea that they would have just dropped SC2 in favor of other games is quite absurd.
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On June 01 2013 05:04 jdsowa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 04:58 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 04:56 jdsowa wrote:
All of the people who fought for and defended the idea of having Koreans in foreign tournaments can be thanked for the diminished MLG prize pool and stream count. Congratulations, the silliest statement of the thread. Would you mind backing this up with, you know, anything? Most of the foreign personalities that drove interest in the early part of this game's life span have been forced to effectively retire from competition or have been relegated to irrelevancy after the influx of Koreans to foreign tournaments. The people who were vocal in their support of this influx were very short-sighted, as far as the business aspect of SC2 was concerned.
and why exactly should viewers care about the 'business aspect' of sc2 rather than what they actually want to see?
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On June 01 2013 05:09 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 04:57 DeathProfessor wrote:
The prize pool matters so much because we will be winning it right?
heh
Also we should just be happy there is any SC2 at all.
I think if Sundance didn't think it would be gigantically bad PR he would have dropped SC2 and went mix of LoL and CoD:Ghosts. This was the big compromise, less losses, no large footprint and no news story "SC2 dropped from MLG, Blizzard shaken as they got backstabbed by their partner" 2 things: 1, CoD:Ghosts isn't out. 2, SC2 brings in A LOT of viewers, maybe not as much as LoL, but it's still a very huge amount of people (last MLG had about 130k concurrent viewers). So the idea that they would have just dropped SC2 in favor of other games is quite absurd.
Yeah, and MLG usually has less popular games than SC2 as well. Their entire array of fighting games doesn't bring in nearly as many numbers as SC2.
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On June 01 2013 05:04 jdsowa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 04:58 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 04:56 jdsowa wrote:
All of the people who fought for and defended the idea of having Koreans in foreign tournaments can be thanked for the diminished MLG prize pool and stream count. Congratulations, the silliest statement of the thread. Would you mind backing this up with, you know, anything? Most of the foreign personalities that drove interest in the early part of this game's life span have been forced to effectively retire from competition or have been relegated to irrelevancy after the influx of Koreans to foreign tournaments. The people who were vocal in their support of this influx were very short-sighted, as far as the business aspect of SC2 was concerned.
You may find this hard to believe, but most of the people who were vocal in their support of Koreans coming to foreign events don't give two shits about the business aspect. They want, in almost all cases, to either see their favorite players or the best games, or both. Koreans provide this more reliably than foreigners, which is why people want them to come to MLGs. Not to maximise profits.
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Fuck yes,open bracket i always loved that about MLGs !
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On June 01 2013 05:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 04:53 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 04:47 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:On June 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:33 Canucklehead wrote:On June 01 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:20 Canucklehead wrote:On June 01 2013 04:12 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:07 sitromit wrote:
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What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG. This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend? Not sure what's so hard to understand. I want last year's format. Open bracket plus korean seeds for group play. You're trying to push an extreme system of invite only system with top koreans as a counter argument, when no one argued that. We already had the perfect format last year at mlgs. So you want an unfair event that favors players from Korea on teams that have deals with MGL to secure the seeds in to group play? Why not just cut out the open bracket and stop that side show? Its not like it really matters in that format, since the players seeded into group play have to play one third of the games. Yup, I loved last year's format. I like the open bracket too so you can have someone like leenock make an open bracket run and win it. Yeah, last years format was a side show, with stupid eSF and Kespa only brackets to assure they qualified to be seeded directly into group play. It provided unfair advantages to players who did not earn them and did everything it could to seed "big names" into group play. Players who had to go through the open bracket got the shaft for no other reason than they couldn't make deals with MLG to be seeded into the event. you're really gonna say the Koreans didn't deserve to make it though when there also were brackets that ensured EU and especially NA players making it through? i agree that the format sucked, but the Koreans were not the ones that didn't deserve to be there. If they are that good, they can slog through the open bracket just like everyone else. I know that some people get very upset at the concept of Innovation or Flash having to dirty their hands by playing in the open bracket against "unworthy opponents", but any other system is just unfair and not real competition. Maybe I'm blind, but what was wrong with this?Tonnes of foreigners, tonnes of top Koreans, including some open bracket runs by people like Rain. What in the world was wrong with that? The main problem with MLG Fall 2012 was the MLG vs Proleague Invitational which was an event specifically designed to seed Proleague players into the group play. It had no other purpose but to assure any player who came over would not have to play in the open bracket. It provided some other players seeds they didn't earn either, which is also total BS.
So just get rid of the MLG vs Proleague and have regional qualifiers online. Simple and accomplishes the same thing.
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On June 01 2013 05:16 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:53 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 04:47 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:On June 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:33 Canucklehead wrote:On June 01 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:20 Canucklehead wrote:On June 01 2013 04:12 Plansix wrote:
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This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend? Not sure what's so hard to understand. I want last year's format. Open bracket plus korean seeds for group play. You're trying to push an extreme system of invite only system with top koreans as a counter argument, when no one argued that. We already had the perfect format last year at mlgs. So you want an unfair event that favors players from Korea on teams that have deals with MGL to secure the seeds in to group play? Why not just cut out the open bracket and stop that side show? Its not like it really matters in that format, since the players seeded into group play have to play one third of the games. Yup, I loved last year's format. I like the open bracket too so you can have someone like leenock make an open bracket run and win it. Yeah, last years format was a side show, with stupid eSF and Kespa only brackets to assure they qualified to be seeded directly into group play. It provided unfair advantages to players who did not earn them and did everything it could to seed "big names" into group play. Players who had to go through the open bracket got the shaft for no other reason than they couldn't make deals with MLG to be seeded into the event. you're really gonna say the Koreans didn't deserve to make it though when there also were brackets that ensured EU and especially NA players making it through? i agree that the format sucked, but the Koreans were not the ones that didn't deserve to be there. If they are that good, they can slog through the open bracket just like everyone else. I know that some people get very upset at the concept of Innovation or Flash having to dirty their hands by playing in the open bracket against "unworthy opponents", but any other system is just unfair and not real competition. Maybe I'm blind, but what was wrong with this?Tonnes of foreigners, tonnes of top Koreans, including some open bracket runs by people like Rain. What in the world was wrong with that? The main problem with MLG Fall 2012 was the MLG vs Proleague Invitational which was an event specifically designed to seed Proleague players into the group play. It had no other purpose but to assure any player who came over would not have to play in the open bracket. It provided some other players seeds they didn't earn either, which is also total BS. So just get rid of the MLG vs Proleague and have regional qualifiers online. Simple and accomplishes the same thing.
Or everyone can just come and play in the open bracket like everyone else? We don't need to qualify people for free seeds to groups per region just to assure that select groups of players can avoid the open bracket and all the struggles that go with that.
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On June 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:16 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:53 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 04:47 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:On June 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:33 Canucklehead wrote:On June 01 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:20 Canucklehead wrote:
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Not sure what's so hard to understand. I want last year's format. Open bracket plus korean seeds for group play. You're trying to push an extreme system of invite only system with top koreans as a counter argument, when no one argued that. We already had the perfect format last year at mlgs. So you want an unfair event that favors players from Korea on teams that have deals with MGL to secure the seeds in to group play? Why not just cut out the open bracket and stop that side show? Its not like it really matters in that format, since the players seeded into group play have to play one third of the games. Yup, I loved last year's format. I like the open bracket too so you can have someone like leenock make an open bracket run and win it. Yeah, last years format was a side show, with stupid eSF and Kespa only brackets to assure they qualified to be seeded directly into group play. It provided unfair advantages to players who did not earn them and did everything it could to seed "big names" into group play. Players who had to go through the open bracket got the shaft for no other reason than they couldn't make deals with MLG to be seeded into the event. you're really gonna say the Koreans didn't deserve to make it though when there also were brackets that ensured EU and especially NA players making it through? i agree that the format sucked, but the Koreans were not the ones that didn't deserve to be there. If they are that good, they can slog through the open bracket just like everyone else. I know that some people get very upset at the concept of Innovation or Flash having to dirty their hands by playing in the open bracket against "unworthy opponents", but any other system is just unfair and not real competition. Maybe I'm blind, but what was wrong with this?Tonnes of foreigners, tonnes of top Koreans, including some open bracket runs by people like Rain. What in the world was wrong with that? The main problem with MLG Fall 2012 was the MLG vs Proleague Invitational which was an event specifically designed to seed Proleague players into the group play. It had no other purpose but to assure any player who came over would not have to play in the open bracket. It provided some other players seeds they didn't earn either, which is also total BS. So just get rid of the MLG vs Proleague and have regional qualifiers online. Simple and accomplishes the same thing. Or everyone can just come and play in the open bracket like everyone else? We don't need to qualify people for free seeds to groups per region just to assure that select groups of players can avoid the open bracket and all the struggles that go with that.
So you think there's nothing reasonable about the notion that people who won the previous MLG should have some sort of champion's privilege? What kind of logic is that? Christ, if we look at open tournaments in real life, the point of the open bracket is to give amateurs a chance to step it up; we don't make the world champion leg it through the open bracket just to make it into group play because it's already established that he's of that level.
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On June 01 2013 05:25 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 05:16 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:53 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 04:47 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:On June 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:33 Canucklehead wrote:On June 01 2013 04:28 Plansix wrote:
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So you want an unfair event that favors players from Korea on teams that have deals with MGL to secure the seeds in to group play? Why not just cut out the open bracket and stop that side show? Its not like it really matters in that format, since the players seeded into group play have to play one third of the games. Yup, I loved last year's format. I like the open bracket too so you can have someone like leenock make an open bracket run and win it. Yeah, last years format was a side show, with stupid eSF and Kespa only brackets to assure they qualified to be seeded directly into group play. It provided unfair advantages to players who did not earn them and did everything it could to seed "big names" into group play. Players who had to go through the open bracket got the shaft for no other reason than they couldn't make deals with MLG to be seeded into the event. you're really gonna say the Koreans didn't deserve to make it though when there also were brackets that ensured EU and especially NA players making it through? i agree that the format sucked, but the Koreans were not the ones that didn't deserve to be there. If they are that good, they can slog through the open bracket just like everyone else. I know that some people get very upset at the concept of Innovation or Flash having to dirty their hands by playing in the open bracket against "unworthy opponents", but any other system is just unfair and not real competition. Maybe I'm blind, but what was wrong with this?Tonnes of foreigners, tonnes of top Koreans, including some open bracket runs by people like Rain. What in the world was wrong with that? The main problem with MLG Fall 2012 was the MLG vs Proleague Invitational which was an event specifically designed to seed Proleague players into the group play. It had no other purpose but to assure any player who came over would not have to play in the open bracket. It provided some other players seeds they didn't earn either, which is also total BS. So just get rid of the MLG vs Proleague and have regional qualifiers online. Simple and accomplishes the same thing. Or everyone can just come and play in the open bracket like everyone else? We don't need to qualify people for free seeds to groups per region just to assure that select groups of players can avoid the open bracket and all the struggles that go with that. So you think there's nothing reasonable about the notion that people who won the previous MLG should have some sort of champion's privilege? What kind of logic is that? Christ, if we look at open tournaments in real life, the point of the open bracket is to give amateurs a chance to step it up; we don't make the world champion leg it through the open bracket just to make it into group play because it's already established that he's of that level.
Oh, its totally fine if people who won previous events that year get a place in groups. That is how MLG was before they started messing with the system to make sure Korean players got to avoid the open bracket. I would even accept the top 4, as long as the previous event had the same format at the current one. But no invite only event that then seeds into an event with the open bracket.
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meh, I can understand they had to downsize the prizepool post-WCS, but I don't get that there is only one stream. If MLG don't want to pay for the big names in the casterbusiness themself, why not just allow comunitystreams like DH? I'm sure there would be enough people willing to stream the other games.
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On June 01 2013 05:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:25 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 05:16 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:53 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 04:47 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:On June 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:33 Canucklehead wrote:
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Yup, I loved last year's format. I like the open bracket too so you can have someone like leenock make an open bracket run and win it. Yeah, last years format was a side show, with stupid eSF and Kespa only brackets to assure they qualified to be seeded directly into group play. It provided unfair advantages to players who did not earn them and did everything it could to seed "big names" into group play. Players who had to go through the open bracket got the shaft for no other reason than they couldn't make deals with MLG to be seeded into the event. you're really gonna say the Koreans didn't deserve to make it though when there also were brackets that ensured EU and especially NA players making it through? i agree that the format sucked, but the Koreans were not the ones that didn't deserve to be there. If they are that good, they can slog through the open bracket just like everyone else. I know that some people get very upset at the concept of Innovation or Flash having to dirty their hands by playing in the open bracket against "unworthy opponents", but any other system is just unfair and not real competition. Maybe I'm blind, but what was wrong with this?Tonnes of foreigners, tonnes of top Koreans, including some open bracket runs by people like Rain. What in the world was wrong with that? The main problem with MLG Fall 2012 was the MLG vs Proleague Invitational which was an event specifically designed to seed Proleague players into the group play. It had no other purpose but to assure any player who came over would not have to play in the open bracket. It provided some other players seeds they didn't earn either, which is also total BS. So just get rid of the MLG vs Proleague and have regional qualifiers online. Simple and accomplishes the same thing. Or everyone can just come and play in the open bracket like everyone else? We don't need to qualify people for free seeds to groups per region just to assure that select groups of players can avoid the open bracket and all the struggles that go with that. So you think there's nothing reasonable about the notion that people who won the previous MLG should have some sort of champion's privilege? What kind of logic is that? Christ, if we look at open tournaments in real life, the point of the open bracket is to give amateurs a chance to step it up; we don't make the world champion leg it through the open bracket just to make it into group play because it's already established that he's of that level. Oh, its totally fine if people who won previous events that year get a place in groups. That is how MLG was before they started messing with the system to make sure Korean players got to avoid the open bracket. I would even accept the top 4, as long as the previous event had the same format at the current one. But no invite only event that then seeds into an event with the open bracket.
So you would be okay with regional qualifiers, so long as there were no restrictions on entry (beyond, perhaps, preventing anyone below Masters from entering)?
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On June 01 2013 05:09 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 04:57 DeathProfessor wrote:
The prize pool matters so much because we will be winning it right?
heh
Also we should just be happy there is any SC2 at all.
I think if Sundance didn't think it would be gigantically bad PR he would have dropped SC2 and went mix of LoL and CoD:Ghosts. This was the big compromise, less losses, no large footprint and no news story "SC2 dropped from MLG, Blizzard shaken as they got backstabbed by their partner" 2 things: 1, CoD:Ghosts isn't out. 2, SC2 brings in A LOT of viewers, maybe not as much as LoL, but it's still a very huge amount of people (last MLG had about 130k concurrent viewers). So the idea that they would have just dropped SC2 in favor of other games is quite absurd.
It's not absurd at all, as they didn't drop Starcraft, they just dropped their production value because they don't have anyone to compete against. Why offer more tournament money when NASL and IPL are dead? Why offer more than 1 stream when there's nothing else to compare it against? They "won" Starcraft when they won the bid for WCS. Now they can do the bare minimum and all the sheeple in our community will still support them.
The real sucker in this ordeal is Blizzard, for trusting MLG to do a good job after they were handed the key to Starcraft in the Americas. If only someone in Blizzard had the balls to take the key away from them and give it to an organization willing to put in more effort. Wouldn't that be great?
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On June 01 2013 05:29 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:28 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 05:25 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 05:16 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:53 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 04:47 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:On June 01 2013 04:38 Plansix wrote:
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Yeah, last years format was a side show, with stupid eSF and Kespa only brackets to assure they qualified to be seeded directly into group play. It provided unfair advantages to players who did not earn them and did everything it could to seed "big names" into group play. Players who had to go through the open bracket got the shaft for no other reason than they couldn't make deals with MLG to be seeded into the event. you're really gonna say the Koreans didn't deserve to make it though when there also were brackets that ensured EU and especially NA players making it through? i agree that the format sucked, but the Koreans were not the ones that didn't deserve to be there. If they are that good, they can slog through the open bracket just like everyone else. I know that some people get very upset at the concept of Innovation or Flash having to dirty their hands by playing in the open bracket against "unworthy opponents", but any other system is just unfair and not real competition. Maybe I'm blind, but what was wrong with this?Tonnes of foreigners, tonnes of top Koreans, including some open bracket runs by people like Rain. What in the world was wrong with that? The main problem with MLG Fall 2012 was the MLG vs Proleague Invitational which was an event specifically designed to seed Proleague players into the group play. It had no other purpose but to assure any player who came over would not have to play in the open bracket. It provided some other players seeds they didn't earn either, which is also total BS. So just get rid of the MLG vs Proleague and have regional qualifiers online. Simple and accomplishes the same thing. Or everyone can just come and play in the open bracket like everyone else? We don't need to qualify people for free seeds to groups per region just to assure that select groups of players can avoid the open bracket and all the struggles that go with that. So you think there's nothing reasonable about the notion that people who won the previous MLG should have some sort of champion's privilege? What kind of logic is that? Christ, if we look at open tournaments in real life, the point of the open bracket is to give amateurs a chance to step it up; we don't make the world champion leg it through the open bracket just to make it into group play because it's already established that he's of that level. Oh, its totally fine if people who won previous events that year get a place in groups. That is how MLG was before they started messing with the system to make sure Korean players got to avoid the open bracket. I would even accept the top 4, as long as the previous event had the same format at the current one. But no invite only event that then seeds into an event with the open bracket. So you would be okay with regional qualifiers, so long as there were no restrictions on entry (beyond, perhaps, preventing anyone below Masters from entering)?
Sure, as long a everyone plays under the same rules, including players from NA. As longs the rules are the same for everyone, I don't care. But the instant Kespa gets their own bracket because they don't want to qualify against eSF players, I am out.
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On June 01 2013 05:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:29 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:28 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 05:25 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 05:16 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:53 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 04:47 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:43 Schelim wrote:
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you're really gonna say the Koreans didn't deserve to make it though when there also were brackets that ensured EU and especially NA players making it through? i agree that the format sucked, but the Koreans were not the ones that didn't deserve to be there. If they are that good, they can slog through the open bracket just like everyone else. I know that some people get very upset at the concept of Innovation or Flash having to dirty their hands by playing in the open bracket against "unworthy opponents", but any other system is just unfair and not real competition. Maybe I'm blind, but what was wrong with this?Tonnes of foreigners, tonnes of top Koreans, including some open bracket runs by people like Rain. What in the world was wrong with that? The main problem with MLG Fall 2012 was the MLG vs Proleague Invitational which was an event specifically designed to seed Proleague players into the group play. It had no other purpose but to assure any player who came over would not have to play in the open bracket. It provided some other players seeds they didn't earn either, which is also total BS. So just get rid of the MLG vs Proleague and have regional qualifiers online. Simple and accomplishes the same thing. Or everyone can just come and play in the open bracket like everyone else? We don't need to qualify people for free seeds to groups per region just to assure that select groups of players can avoid the open bracket and all the struggles that go with that. So you think there's nothing reasonable about the notion that people who won the previous MLG should have some sort of champion's privilege? What kind of logic is that? Christ, if we look at open tournaments in real life, the point of the open bracket is to give amateurs a chance to step it up; we don't make the world champion leg it through the open bracket just to make it into group play because it's already established that he's of that level. Oh, its totally fine if people who won previous events that year get a place in groups. That is how MLG was before they started messing with the system to make sure Korean players got to avoid the open bracket. I would even accept the top 4, as long as the previous event had the same format at the current one. But no invite only event that then seeds into an event with the open bracket. So you would be okay with regional qualifiers, so long as there were no restrictions on entry (beyond, perhaps, preventing anyone below Masters from entering)? Sure, as long a everyone plays under the same rules, including players from NA. As longs the rules are the same for everyone, I don't care. But the instant Kespa gets their own bracket because they don't want to qualify against eSF players, I am out.
Sounds reasonable to me. I think MLG should have done this, that's all.
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On June 01 2013 05:29 Myt wrote:
meh, I can understand they had to downsize the prizepool post-WCS, but I don't get that there is only one stream. If MLG don't want to pay for the big names in the casterbusiness themself, why not just allow comunitystreams like DH? I'm sure there would be enough people willing to stream the other games.
mlg wants to generate a perception of scarcity, so they can charge more for their premium service. classic business tactic.
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I guess Jaedong will sign up for this?
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I thought MLG was doing away with the open bracket??
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On June 01 2013 05:42 HighSchoolStarleague wrote:
I thought MLG was doing away with the open bracket??
Only for the last one, because it was a PITA to do online qualfiers with the unstable HotS beta servers and all that. They always planned on going back to their preferred, open-bracket format.
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