God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
Then why do you care? I don't think you understand, I don't care who wins and I like all three of those teams and their players. I just don't want invites for Korean players who wouldn't come unless MLG paid for their flights and worked out some deal with their Kespa team.
This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend?
I want a mix of both. I want a bracket that has a mix of good Korean players, good foreigners, and up and comers. That way, when a foreigner steps it up, we know that they mean business (e.g. Scarlett making a run through IPL). It's completely pointless to give NA players the spotlight in a premier tournament if the whole competition is diminished from the outset by the lack of top level competition. Even if a foreigner does well, it's not really giving them much attention because everyone will just be like "yeah, but there was only Y Korean in the whole bracket"
Well you will get that. EG, TL and Axiom will show up. I am sure other Korean players too who have sponsors. Some other NA players too. Just because they don't invite players doesn't mean good players won't show up.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
Tons of us enjoyed MLG before they started flying every Korean out to the event free of charge,
That's because the skill gap between Koreans and foreigners wasn't massive back then. It wasn't a completely farcical competition.
Plenty of Koreans are still going to be there. You can just watch those games. Just in case they broadcast any foreigner games, you can spend that time polluting the LR thread with more hyperbole about how the only players that matter come from code S. It's win/win.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
Then why do you care? I don't think you understand, I don't care who wins and I like all three of those teams and their players. I just don't want invites for Korean players who wouldn't come unless MLG paid for their flights and worked out some deal with their Kespa team.
This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend?
I want to see the best players in the world play against each other and produce amazing games. I was very happy with last MLG. A lot of people seemed to agree, because it got record stream numbers from what I remember.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
Then why do you care? I don't think you understand, I don't care who wins and I like all three of those teams and their players. I just don't want invites for Korean players who wouldn't come unless MLG paid for their flights and worked out some deal with their Kespa team.
This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend?
Yeah, I'd like that a lot; give the top contenders more chances to secure the WCS points that are so ridiculously hard to come by in Korea. But honestly, I'd settle for a tournament where the top 4 finishers from the last tournament are flown in. Maybe even just top 2. The "finalists return" is one of the things I think MLG has done right, and I'm a little disappointed that it's not the case this time. It's obviously nice that we have a tournament to watch at all, don't get me wrong.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
Then why do you care? I don't think you understand, I don't care who wins and I like all three of those teams and their players. I just don't want invites for Korean players who wouldn't come unless MLG paid for their flights and worked out some deal with their Kespa team.
This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend?
I want to see the best players in the world play against each other and produce amazing games. I was very happy with last MLG. A lot of people seemed to agree, because it got record stream numbers from what I remember.
Well you will get that in at the World Finals for WCS in a couple of weeks in Korea, so you should be fine.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend?
Not sure what's so hard to understand. I want last year's format. Open bracket plus korean seeds for group play. You're trying to push an extreme system of invite only system with top koreans as a counter argument, when no one argued that. We already had the perfect format last year at mlgs.
The problem with the WCS system being what it is, is that foreign events with WCS points become so much more important. Had this been last year, I would have had no complaints. This year, Koreans are basically given two options: either you place top 8 for three seasons of WCS KR in a row, or you make sure you're able to compete overseas. Foreign players and players on teams with the money to send their players to a lot of events have the advantage here; it's not just about the money from the separate tournaments, it's also about the chance to get a spot at the WCS Grand Finals at Blizzcon toward the end of the year. That's a really huge deal, and the fact that the people who choose to stay and compete in Korea have so few chances outside WCS with the changes to the foreign tournament scene makes me a little sad.
I think people think this is the main tournament, this is an entirely different tournament for SC2, they will have the professional one, and this one for open bracket AFAIK
On June 01 2013 04:22 Zealously wrote: The problem with the WCS system being what it is, is that foreign events with WCS points become so much more important. Had this been last year, I would have had no complaints. This year, Koreans are basically given two options: either you place top 8 for three seasons of WCS KR in a row, or you make sure you're able to compete overseas. Foreign players and players on teams with the money to send their players to a lot of events have the advantage here; it's not just about the money from the separate tournaments, it's also about the chance to get a spot at the WCS Grand Finals at Blizzcon toward the end of the year. That's a really huge deal, and the fact that the people who choose to stay and compete in Korea have so few chances outside WCS with the changes to the foreign tournament scene makes me a little sad.
I tend to disagree, every korean player was able to sign up for WCS NA/Europe and earn his points there; the flights for WCS events are paid AFAIK.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend?
Not sure what's so hard to understand. I want last year's format. Open bracket plus korean seeds for group play. You're trying to push an extreme system of invite only system with top koreans as a counter argument, when no one argued that. We already had the perfect format last year at mlgs.
Agreed. The least MLG could do would be to simply maintain the current production. But why maintain current production standards when you manage to eliminate all your competition by winning the bid for WCS? Hell, next year they might just hold it in a basement with 12 players. Nothing stopping them if the community doesn't speak up about it. But I don't expect people to stop clapping like seals no matter what they get, which is sad.
On June 01 2013 04:23 Nightshade_ wrote: I think people think this is the main tournament, this is an entirely different tournament for SC2, they will have the professional one, and this one for open bracket AFAIK
Eh, no you're confused. This is the MAIN sc2 tourney. It's a 128 man double elimination open bracket. There's no separate pro/amateur tourney.
On June 01 2013 04:22 Zealously wrote: The problem with the WCS system being what it is, is that foreign events with WCS points become so much more important. Had this been last year, I would have had no complaints. This year, Koreans are basically given two options: either you place top 8 for three seasons of WCS KR in a row, or you make sure you're able to compete overseas. Foreign players and players on teams with the money to send their players to a lot of events have the advantage here; it's not just about the money from the separate tournaments, it's also about the chance to get a spot at the WCS Grand Finals at Blizzcon toward the end of the year. That's a really huge deal, and the fact that the people who choose to stay and compete in Korea have so few chances outside WCS with the changes to the foreign tournament scene makes me a little sad.
I tend to disagree, every korean player was able to sign up for WCS NA/Europe and earn his points there; the flights for WCS events are paid AFAIK.
Winter is coming... in June. Funny that just yesterday Scoots was talking about how disappointed we could become if our production qualities had to go down, because of cuts to production crews. A prophet and a scholar.
On the brightside, at least there will be some SC2 at MLG and there's an open bracket.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend?
Not sure what's so hard to understand. I want last year's format. Open bracket plus korean seeds for group play. You're trying to push an extreme system of invite only system with top koreans as a counter argument, when no one argued that. We already had the perfect format last year at mlgs.
So you want an unfair event that favors players from Korea on teams that have deals with MGL to secure the seeds in to group play? Why not just cut out the open bracket and stop that side show? Its not like it really matters in that format, since the players seeded into group play have to play one third of the games.
More disappointed by the lack of a second stream than the prize pool. The prize pool is understandable due to having to spend production budget on a year-round WCS, but no two-stream SC2 is unfortunate.
I'll still watch, but I -really- hope there is very, very minimal downtime - 5 minutes should be the norm between matches, 10 minutes absolute max.
On June 01 2013 04:22 Zealously wrote: The problem with the WCS system being what it is, is that foreign events with WCS points become so much more important. Had this been last year, I would have had no complaints. This year, Koreans are basically given two options: either you place top 8 for three seasons of WCS KR in a row, or you make sure you're able to compete overseas. Foreign players and players on teams with the money to send their players to a lot of events have the advantage here; it's not just about the money from the separate tournaments, it's also about the chance to get a spot at the WCS Grand Finals at Blizzcon toward the end of the year. That's a really huge deal, and the fact that the people who choose to stay and compete in Korea have so few chances outside WCS with the changes to the foreign tournament scene makes me a little sad.
I tend to disagree, every korean player was able to sign up for WCS NA/Europe and earn his points there; the flights for WCS events are paid AFAIK.
Yeah but not any intercontinental flight !
Ok, then I had that wrong in mind, thought they would pay everything.
Hm... the price pool is a bit disappointing. I was hoping for many Koreans to participate, but 25k is probably not enough to attract many of the top Koreans...
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend?
Not sure what's so hard to understand. I want last year's format. Open bracket plus korean seeds for group play. You're trying to push an extreme system of invite only system with top koreans as a counter argument, when no one argued that. We already had the perfect format last year at mlgs.
So you want an unfair event that favors players from Korea on teams that have deals with MGL to secure the seeds in to group play? Why not just cut out the open bracket and stop that side show? Its not like it really matters in that format, since the players seeded into group play have to play one third of the games.
Yup, I loved last year's format. I like the open bracket too so you can have someone like leenock make an open bracket run and win it.
I mean at worst, the prize pool will discourage some Koreans, so you end up with a ~5 Koreans + 123 NA players match, which is what many argue that WCS NA should have been.
It'll be the kind of Korean/foreigner ratio that was in WCS EU, but in a more fast-paced format and on a different continent.'
I think the event will be great; it's the production I'm worried about.
I think we should stop complain about the prizepool. Actually nobody of us (Community/Fans) should care about the prizepool because we dont attend this/these tournament(s). Only the players may care about this.
I am rather worried about the importance of such (very favored) weekend tournaments. Basically everyone doesn't have time to play such weekend tournaments because they have to play/prepare WCS matches.
WCS & Blizzard are killing so much, especially weekend tournaments and make a very boring own long-run tournaments (WCS EU/NA/KR). They downgraded everything and pretend their own tournament a very high value, it looks very artificial (still).
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