On June 01 2013 03:51 FakePseudo wrote: To all the people talking about how small the event is, shouldn't they hold the US season finals during this event too?
Season finals are internationally, there will be one hold in NA, but that is after season 2/3 and probably still a away quite a few time.
I was talking about the WCS USA season finals, not the global finals, but anyway, upon checking, I was wrong.
Oh you menat the top 8 of the current season? Sry, I missunderstood you there.
Do people really think every event needs 100k$ prizepool, 10 streams and 20 casters? People need to start enjoying what they get a little more. Wonder if some are already emailing MLG partners saying 'mlg puts up only one stream for their event you should totally ditch them or i tell all my friends to boycot your company'.
I was really hoping they would do a similar format to the last MLG, it produced some of the most amazing games. A big-ish open bracket with only 1 stream doesn't really sound like a lot of fun to be honest. I don't really understand everyone's hard on for open brackets anyway...
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
I thought the point of the open brackets was that you could have TONS of content (different streams, different games) going all at once... Zzzzzzzzzz.... MLG.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
Then don't tune in, no one is forcing you. Please, don't tune in, its better everyone.
Tons of us enjoyed MLG before they started flying every Korean out to the event free of charge, and we will enjoy them again. We enjoyed Dreamhack too, which only had a bunch of really great players from Europe and Korea too.
I'm all for not inviting players good enough to win WCS. My issue is when people think foreign players should have priority over players like Byul, Hydra, Zest or jjakji. These guys get little to no playing time outside team leagues and thus have no way to earn extra money or WCS points, yet they're good enough to tear shit up overseas; their teams just won't send them - in many cases because they don't have the money to.
And as for your question, I was at Dreamhack. I liked the tournament a lot - it was nice to see Coca and Puzzle playing again.
So those players SHOULD switch teams, for the ones that they would send them oversees.
It's not like it's easy to just "switch teams for the ones that would send them overseas" - in 9 out of 10 cases you need results for a big team to pick you up or for a sponsor to take interest in you. And besides, there aren't enough teams with money to buy trips for all the players good enough to stomp on foreigners, which means that even if all players that foreign teams could take an interest in would switch teams, there would still be dozens more without the means to travel to foreign tournaments.
Edit: and besides, like Wintex said this usually eliminates the team house factor which is one of the main reasons Koreans are so good at Starcraft. No team houses, less skill. Less skill, GG
The team house factor is a choice koreans made my themselves, the high-skill density in korea caused by korean team houses is equally the reason, why koreans are so good and the reason for their lack of exposure. Koreans could move to Europe/America and accept a slight decrease in skill for a great increase of exposure. However, that is a choice they can made, while every other player in the wolrd has just to suck it up and accept the second option.
Ah yes, Koreans should simply move halfway across the globe. Sounds reasonable to me. Can you not imagine why most people would not want to do this, even setting aside Starcraft-related reasons?
But that's what people always love to tell non-koreans to do?
Not the same thing bucko. If you truly want to be the best you go to the best training grounds and that's tried; tested and proven in many sports. I'm actually appalled by the CHL even thinking about putting a restriction on disallowing European goalies to join the League because the Canadians are worried about building more Canadian byproducts. That's what top prospects and athletes do. There's a lot to it and it takes a lot of balls to make such moves but it's a career decision.
How is it different? If a good Korean player want to compete in MLG, they should fly them self out here. When NA players compete in Dreamhack, they fly there. The same with IEM and any other event. If they want to compete in all the MLGs because the player thinks they would win them all, its time to move for Korea to NA.
What's wrong with earning certain privileges when you've made it? The organization at the end of the day decides where they want to put that money and how much they will pamper the players that attend. That's on their expense in the same way it's the expense of the team's that compete and why the heck would they move here when in many cases they can fly down themselves. Some teams do it for several reasons, but mostly exposure. So once again, what they do with that money is on them and no one else. I've given beef to MLG before for flying players when I know they were trying to make money. The expense made very little sense to me. In any case it's on them and if they want to pamper the players so be it. If I'm a player I wouldn't have it any other way. No need to move when they can fly there and still train in their own territory. Hopefully you have a good team in place.
Agreed, but that's not want started the discussion. The fact that MGL didn't invite top Korean players and/or offer to fly them over is what started the argument. Some people were very grumpy about it and wanted the best Korea had to offer invited to the event. They were upset that some people were totally ok with the format and that there were no invites for top Korean players, saying that we "did care about the quality of the games."
If we really want Koreans to start moving to the U.S. markets they're going to need a lot more reasons and motivation to. We ask the following questions. Is there more opportunity? Not really. We're waiting on the NASL to plan their next move and we're waiting to see what Blizzard does with IPL. There's also Lone Star and a few other relatively small tournaments. What about the money? Not only do athletes like playing in the best League but they really like the money that comes with it. Hopefully you have a good contract with a team that treats you right and then you look at em' prize pools. I could list a lot more, but from what I already said. There really is no reason for Koreans to move to the US atm in the current state of affairs. If you're on a team like EG you have all the luxury in the world. I won't be surprised when a lot of teams/players pass on this tournament and heck, good thing because there's only 128 and remember how many people wanted to register the last few times? Shesh. There's going to have to be a lot more money on the line if you really want more Koreans to take notice. The smaller the pool the less likely they're going to appear and I'm sure they considered this when they announced this set-up. Might give more North Americans exposure, but let's be realistic. They aren't going to get much better lol.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
I think you are a bit to pessimistic about the actual list of entries, at least Polt/MC/viOLet/HerO and the usual suspects will probably attend and a few surprises will probably be there as well.
Anyway, should´nt we (all) just wait and see, what the player list looks like, until we discuss this further?
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
Tons of us enjoyed MLG before they started flying every Korean out to the event free of charge,
That's because the skill gap between Koreans and foreigners wasn't massive back then. It wasn't a completely farcical competition.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
Dreamhack is good at doing that. No worries Cutetoss. I still <3 u.
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
Then why do you care? I don't think you understand, I don't care who wins and I like all three of those teams and their players. I just don't want invites for Korean players who wouldn't come unless MLG paid for their flights and worked out some deal with their Kespa team.
This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend?
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
Considering hotel + flight + nowhere near guaranteed that you'll get first, let alone top 3, then yeah, 10k isn't enough to justify a trip from Korea.
Well, its an easy decision for him then. I am sure there is a player in NA who would love to win 10K for first(looking at you Nony).
Seriously, are people going to go and find grumpy tweets from Korean players who just found out they can't win 25-50K coming to MLG.
And I'm sure there are people who will watch an event where Nony is the biggest contender for first place. Oh wait, no I'm not. I can't see a reason why anyone outside of NA would tune in to see that, and even half of NA probably doesn't care.
But yeah. we all know that Capoch vs Goswser was such a blockbuster game that we need more of that, right?
What's funny is Koreans will win anyway. Just the mid-tier ones on foreign teams. It's a gift to Axiom, Liquid and EG.
Then why do you care? I don't think you understand, I don't care who wins and I like all three of those teams and their players. I just don't want invites for Korean players who wouldn't come unless MLG paid for their flights and worked out some deal with their Kespa team.
This is a weird discussion because I am not really sure what you folks want? Do you want an all invite event where they import all of the top Korean players for the weekend?
I want a mix of both. I want a bracket that has a mix of good Korean players, good foreigners, and up and comers. That way, when a foreigner steps it up, we know that they mean business (e.g. Scarlett making a run through IPL). It's completely pointless to give NA players the spotlight in a premier tournament if the whole competition is diminished from the outset by the lack of top level competition. Even if a foreigner does well, it's not really giving them much attention because everyone will just be like "yeah, but there was only Y Korean in the whole bracket"
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