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On June 01 2013 03:17 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 03:15 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 03:04 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 03:00 Frankon wrote:On June 01 2013 02:54 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:41 sitromit wrote:
So here's what happened. Before the new WCS, we had GSL and OSL in Korea, and weekend tournaments in Europe and America. Blizzard combined GSL and OSL into WCS Korea, and cloned GSL for WCS America and EU.
So now foreign players, and Koreans on foreign teams can gain WCS points from WCS AM or EU, and additional points from all the weekend foreign tournaments that still exist and award WCS points. Koreans on Korean teams on the other hand, can't go to these foreign weekend tournaments unless their expenses are covered, which means they don't have access to all these extra WCS points.
There are no tournaments in Korea that award WCS points other than GSL, so Koreans who aren't on foreign teams get the shaft. But hey, at least we can watch them duke it out every day in Korea! Where were you guys when Dreamhack didn't invite Flash, Innoviation, Life and Rain to their event and seed them into groups? I mean, who is going to stick up for these poor, players who don't have enough sponsors to fly out to these events without help? I'm all for not inviting players good enough to win WCS. My issue is when people think foreign players should have priority over players like Byul, Hydra, Zest or jjakji. These guys get little to no playing time outside team leagues and thus have no way to earn extra money or WCS points, yet they're good enough to tear shit up overseas; their teams just won't send them - in many cases because they don't have the money to. And as for your question, I was at Dreamhack. I liked the tournament a lot - it was nice to see Coca and Puzzle playing again. So those players SHOULD switch teams, for the ones that they would send them oversees. It's not like it's easy to just "switch teams for the ones that would send them overseas" - in 9 out of 10 cases you need results for a big team to pick you up or for a sponsor to take interest in you. And besides, there aren't enough teams with money to buy trips for all the players good enough to stomp on foreigners, which means that even if all players that foreign teams could take an interest in would switch teams, there would still be dozens more without the means to travel to foreign tournaments. Edit: and besides, like Wintex said this usually eliminates the team house factor which is one of the main reasons Koreans are so good at Starcraft. No team houses, less skill. Less skill, GG The team house factor is a choice koreans made my themselves, the high-skill density in korea caused by korean team houses is equally the reason, why koreans are so good and the reason for their lack of exposure. Koreans could move to Europe/America and accept a slight decrease in skill for a great increase of exposure. However, that is a choice they can made, while every other player in the wolrd has just to suck it up and accept the second option. Ah yes, Koreans should simply move halfway across the globe. Sounds reasonable to me.
No, that´s not really an option. It is just the argument, that they would have a disadvantadge that they would have by leaving their teamhouse is bad, in fact the team house is the reason, why they are so good and is more of a current advantadge than a future disadvantadge. I was talking about moving to a euro/american team, like Taeja/HerO/Sting/Arthur and many others did.
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On June 01 2013 03:17 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 03:15 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 03:04 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 03:00 Frankon wrote:On June 01 2013 02:54 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:41 sitromit wrote:
So here's what happened. Before the new WCS, we had GSL and OSL in Korea, and weekend tournaments in Europe and America. Blizzard combined GSL and OSL into WCS Korea, and cloned GSL for WCS America and EU.
So now foreign players, and Koreans on foreign teams can gain WCS points from WCS AM or EU, and additional points from all the weekend foreign tournaments that still exist and award WCS points. Koreans on Korean teams on the other hand, can't go to these foreign weekend tournaments unless their expenses are covered, which means they don't have access to all these extra WCS points.
There are no tournaments in Korea that award WCS points other than GSL, so Koreans who aren't on foreign teams get the shaft. But hey, at least we can watch them duke it out every day in Korea! Where were you guys when Dreamhack didn't invite Flash, Innoviation, Life and Rain to their event and seed them into groups? I mean, who is going to stick up for these poor, players who don't have enough sponsors to fly out to these events without help? I'm all for not inviting players good enough to win WCS. My issue is when people think foreign players should have priority over players like Byul, Hydra, Zest or jjakji. These guys get little to no playing time outside team leagues and thus have no way to earn extra money or WCS points, yet they're good enough to tear shit up overseas; their teams just won't send them - in many cases because they don't have the money to. And as for your question, I was at Dreamhack. I liked the tournament a lot - it was nice to see Coca and Puzzle playing again. So those players SHOULD switch teams, for the ones that they would send them oversees. It's not like it's easy to just "switch teams for the ones that would send them overseas" - in 9 out of 10 cases you need results for a big team to pick you up or for a sponsor to take interest in you. And besides, there aren't enough teams with money to buy trips for all the players good enough to stomp on foreigners, which means that even if all players that foreign teams could take an interest in would switch teams, there would still be dozens more without the means to travel to foreign tournaments. Edit: and besides, like Wintex said this usually eliminates the team house factor which is one of the main reasons Koreans are so good at Starcraft. No team houses, less skill. Less skill, GG The team house factor is a choice koreans made my themselves, the high-skill density in korea caused by korean team houses is equally the reason, why koreans are so good and the reason for their lack of exposure. Koreans could move to Europe/America and accept a slight decrease in skill for a great increase of exposure. However, that is a choice they can made, while every other player in the wolrd has just to suck it up and accept the second option. Ah yes, Koreans should simply move halfway across the globe. Sounds reasonable to me. Can you not imagine why most people would not want to do this, even setting aside Starcraft-related reasons?
But that's what people always love to tell non-koreans to do?
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On June 01 2013 03:17 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 03:15 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 03:04 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 03:00 Frankon wrote:On June 01 2013 02:54 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:41 sitromit wrote:
So here's what happened. Before the new WCS, we had GSL and OSL in Korea, and weekend tournaments in Europe and America. Blizzard combined GSL and OSL into WCS Korea, and cloned GSL for WCS America and EU.
So now foreign players, and Koreans on foreign teams can gain WCS points from WCS AM or EU, and additional points from all the weekend foreign tournaments that still exist and award WCS points. Koreans on Korean teams on the other hand, can't go to these foreign weekend tournaments unless their expenses are covered, which means they don't have access to all these extra WCS points.
There are no tournaments in Korea that award WCS points other than GSL, so Koreans who aren't on foreign teams get the shaft. But hey, at least we can watch them duke it out every day in Korea! Where were you guys when Dreamhack didn't invite Flash, Innoviation, Life and Rain to their event and seed them into groups? I mean, who is going to stick up for these poor, players who don't have enough sponsors to fly out to these events without help? I'm all for not inviting players good enough to win WCS. My issue is when people think foreign players should have priority over players like Byul, Hydra, Zest or jjakji. These guys get little to no playing time outside team leagues and thus have no way to earn extra money or WCS points, yet they're good enough to tear shit up overseas; their teams just won't send them - in many cases because they don't have the money to. And as for your question, I was at Dreamhack. I liked the tournament a lot - it was nice to see Coca and Puzzle playing again. So those players SHOULD switch teams, for the ones that they would send them oversees. It's not like it's easy to just "switch teams for the ones that would send them overseas" - in 9 out of 10 cases you need results for a big team to pick you up or for a sponsor to take interest in you. And besides, there aren't enough teams with money to buy trips for all the players good enough to stomp on foreigners, which means that even if all players that foreign teams could take an interest in would switch teams, there would still be dozens more without the means to travel to foreign tournaments. Edit: and besides, like Wintex said this usually eliminates the team house factor which is one of the main reasons Koreans are so good at Starcraft. No team houses, less skill. Less skill, GG The team house factor is a choice koreans made my themselves, the high-skill density in korea caused by korean team houses is equally the reason, why koreans are so good and the reason for their lack of exposure. Koreans could move to Europe/America and accept a slight decrease in skill for a great increase of exposure. However, that is a choice they can made, while every other player in the wolrd has just to suck it up and accept the second option. Ah yes, Koreans should simply move halfway across the globe. Sounds reasonable to me. Can you not imagine why most people would not want to do this, even setting aside Starcraft-related reasons?
Koreans have had every possible advantage up until now. Better training, better ladder, free rides and invites to foreign tournaments where they take all the top prizes. Why shouldn't they be disadvantaged somehow? I'm sorry, but I do not feel bad that Koreans aren't going to be competing in this foreign tournament for free. The guy you quoted is right imo. If they want to win all the foreign money they should have to be willing to make some sacrifices.
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Ah well I guess I should cancel my still open gold membership if that's the type of event I am able to watch with it. 25 games streamed - yeah right.
On June 01 2013 03:23 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 03:17 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 03:15 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 03:04 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 03:00 Frankon wrote:On June 01 2013 02:54 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:41 sitromit wrote:
So here's what happened. Before the new WCS, we had GSL and OSL in Korea, and weekend tournaments in Europe and America. Blizzard combined GSL and OSL into WCS Korea, and cloned GSL for WCS America and EU.
So now foreign players, and Koreans on foreign teams can gain WCS points from WCS AM or EU, and additional points from all the weekend foreign tournaments that still exist and award WCS points. Koreans on Korean teams on the other hand, can't go to these foreign weekend tournaments unless their expenses are covered, which means they don't have access to all these extra WCS points.
There are no tournaments in Korea that award WCS points other than GSL, so Koreans who aren't on foreign teams get the shaft. But hey, at least we can watch them duke it out every day in Korea! Where were you guys when Dreamhack didn't invite Flash, Innoviation, Life and Rain to their event and seed them into groups? I mean, who is going to stick up for these poor, players who don't have enough sponsors to fly out to these events without help? I'm all for not inviting players good enough to win WCS. My issue is when people think foreign players should have priority over players like Byul, Hydra, Zest or jjakji. These guys get little to no playing time outside team leagues and thus have no way to earn extra money or WCS points, yet they're good enough to tear shit up overseas; their teams just won't send them - in many cases because they don't have the money to. And as for your question, I was at Dreamhack. I liked the tournament a lot - it was nice to see Coca and Puzzle playing again. So those players SHOULD switch teams, for the ones that they would send them oversees. It's not like it's easy to just "switch teams for the ones that would send them overseas" - in 9 out of 10 cases you need results for a big team to pick you up or for a sponsor to take interest in you. And besides, there aren't enough teams with money to buy trips for all the players good enough to stomp on foreigners, which means that even if all players that foreign teams could take an interest in would switch teams, there would still be dozens more without the means to travel to foreign tournaments. Edit: and besides, like Wintex said this usually eliminates the team house factor which is one of the main reasons Koreans are so good at Starcraft. No team houses, less skill. Less skill, GG The team house factor is a choice koreans made my themselves, the high-skill density in korea caused by korean team houses is equally the reason, why koreans are so good and the reason for their lack of exposure. Koreans could move to Europe/America and accept a slight decrease in skill for a great increase of exposure. However, that is a choice they can made, while every other player in the wolrd has just to suck it up and accept the second option. Ah yes, Koreans should simply move halfway across the globe. Sounds reasonable to me. Can you not imagine why most people would not want to do this, even setting aside Starcraft-related reasons? But that's what people always love to tell non-koreans to do?
No actually it is to fucking put some time into training to not suck.
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On June 01 2013 03:23 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 03:17 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 03:15 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 03:04 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 03:00 Frankon wrote:On June 01 2013 02:54 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:41 sitromit wrote:
So here's what happened. Before the new WCS, we had GSL and OSL in Korea, and weekend tournaments in Europe and America. Blizzard combined GSL and OSL into WCS Korea, and cloned GSL for WCS America and EU.
So now foreign players, and Koreans on foreign teams can gain WCS points from WCS AM or EU, and additional points from all the weekend foreign tournaments that still exist and award WCS points. Koreans on Korean teams on the other hand, can't go to these foreign weekend tournaments unless their expenses are covered, which means they don't have access to all these extra WCS points.
There are no tournaments in Korea that award WCS points other than GSL, so Koreans who aren't on foreign teams get the shaft. But hey, at least we can watch them duke it out every day in Korea! Where were you guys when Dreamhack didn't invite Flash, Innoviation, Life and Rain to their event and seed them into groups? I mean, who is going to stick up for these poor, players who don't have enough sponsors to fly out to these events without help? I'm all for not inviting players good enough to win WCS. My issue is when people think foreign players should have priority over players like Byul, Hydra, Zest or jjakji. These guys get little to no playing time outside team leagues and thus have no way to earn extra money or WCS points, yet they're good enough to tear shit up overseas; their teams just won't send them - in many cases because they don't have the money to. And as for your question, I was at Dreamhack. I liked the tournament a lot - it was nice to see Coca and Puzzle playing again. So those players SHOULD switch teams, for the ones that they would send them oversees. It's not like it's easy to just "switch teams for the ones that would send them overseas" - in 9 out of 10 cases you need results for a big team to pick you up or for a sponsor to take interest in you. And besides, there aren't enough teams with money to buy trips for all the players good enough to stomp on foreigners, which means that even if all players that foreign teams could take an interest in would switch teams, there would still be dozens more without the means to travel to foreign tournaments. Edit: and besides, like Wintex said this usually eliminates the team house factor which is one of the main reasons Koreans are so good at Starcraft. No team houses, less skill. Less skill, GG The team house factor is a choice koreans made my themselves, the high-skill density in korea caused by korean team houses is equally the reason, why koreans are so good and the reason for their lack of exposure. Koreans could move to Europe/America and accept a slight decrease in skill for a great increase of exposure. However, that is a choice they can made, while every other player in the wolrd has just to suck it up and accept the second option. Ah yes, Koreans should simply move halfway across the globe. Sounds reasonable to me. Can you not imagine why most people would not want to do this, even setting aside Starcraft-related reasons? But that's what people always love to tell non-koreans to do?
Not the same thing bucko. If you truly want to be the best you go to the best training grounds that's tried; tested and proven in many sports. I'm actually appalled by the CHL even thinking about putting a restriction on disallowing European goalies to join the League because the Canadians are worried about building more Canadian byproducts. That's what top prospects and athletes do. There's a lot to it and it takes a lot of balls to make such moves but it's a career/life choice decision. Sacrifices have to be made and I do not consider a 3 month trip to train in Korea a big sacrifice. Only a handful of people can attempt it and most of them fail for whatever reason. I like to call them training vacations where you get to experience a different culture.
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kespa teams may send players regardless due to their partnership and the chance for wcs points.
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On June 01 2013 03:29 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 03:23 Eury wrote:On June 01 2013 03:17 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 03:15 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 03:04 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 03:00 Frankon wrote:On June 01 2013 02:54 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:41 sitromit wrote:
So here's what happened. Before the new WCS, we had GSL and OSL in Korea, and weekend tournaments in Europe and America. Blizzard combined GSL and OSL into WCS Korea, and cloned GSL for WCS America and EU.
So now foreign players, and Koreans on foreign teams can gain WCS points from WCS AM or EU, and additional points from all the weekend foreign tournaments that still exist and award WCS points. Koreans on Korean teams on the other hand, can't go to these foreign weekend tournaments unless their expenses are covered, which means they don't have access to all these extra WCS points.
There are no tournaments in Korea that award WCS points other than GSL, so Koreans who aren't on foreign teams get the shaft. But hey, at least we can watch them duke it out every day in Korea! Where were you guys when Dreamhack didn't invite Flash, Innoviation, Life and Rain to their event and seed them into groups? I mean, who is going to stick up for these poor, players who don't have enough sponsors to fly out to these events without help? I'm all for not inviting players good enough to win WCS. My issue is when people think foreign players should have priority over players like Byul, Hydra, Zest or jjakji. These guys get little to no playing time outside team leagues and thus have no way to earn extra money or WCS points, yet they're good enough to tear shit up overseas; their teams just won't send them - in many cases because they don't have the money to. And as for your question, I was at Dreamhack. I liked the tournament a lot - it was nice to see Coca and Puzzle playing again. So those players SHOULD switch teams, for the ones that they would send them oversees. It's not like it's easy to just "switch teams for the ones that would send them overseas" - in 9 out of 10 cases you need results for a big team to pick you up or for a sponsor to take interest in you. And besides, there aren't enough teams with money to buy trips for all the players good enough to stomp on foreigners, which means that even if all players that foreign teams could take an interest in would switch teams, there would still be dozens more without the means to travel to foreign tournaments. Edit: and besides, like Wintex said this usually eliminates the team house factor which is one of the main reasons Koreans are so good at Starcraft. No team houses, less skill. Less skill, GG The team house factor is a choice koreans made my themselves, the high-skill density in korea caused by korean team houses is equally the reason, why koreans are so good and the reason for their lack of exposure. Koreans could move to Europe/America and accept a slight decrease in skill for a great increase of exposure. However, that is a choice they can made, while every other player in the wolrd has just to suck it up and accept the second option. Ah yes, Koreans should simply move halfway across the globe. Sounds reasonable to me. Can you not imagine why most people would not want to do this, even setting aside Starcraft-related reasons? But that's what people always love to tell non-koreans to do? Not the same thing bucko. If you truly want to be the best you go to the best training grounds and that's tried; tested and proven in many sports. I'm actually appalled by the CHL even thinking about putting a restriction on disallowing European goalies to join the League because the Canadians are worried about building more Canadian byproducts. That's what top prospects and athletes do. There's a lot to it and it takes a lot of balls to make such moves but it's a career decision.
How is it different? If a good Korean player want to compete in MLG, they should fly them self out here. When NA players compete in Dreamhack, they fly there. The same with IEM and any other event. If Korean players want to compete in all the MLGs because the player thinks they would win them all, its time to move for Korea to NA.
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Good to see a MLG Championship tournament being announced. I don't mind that's it's smaller nor do I mind the lower price pool, I'm sure it will be well worth my time like always. But please MLG, copy the Dreamhack format of allowing community casters to stream earlier games and have your live stream do the important final games (and some earlier "bigger name"games too ofc.) The just 1 stream is a problem, the rest is fine.
Furthermore I really hope that you and other tournament organizers are not forced By Blizzard to downsize your tournaments; Your work is what made the scene in what it is today.
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I like it, I think I will enter.
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On June 01 2013 03:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 03:29 StarStruck wrote:On June 01 2013 03:23 Eury wrote:On June 01 2013 03:17 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 03:15 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 03:04 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 03:00 Frankon wrote:On June 01 2013 02:54 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
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But hey, at least we can watch them duke it out every day in Korea! Where were you guys when Dreamhack didn't invite Flash, Innoviation, Life and Rain to their event and seed them into groups? I mean, who is going to stick up for these poor, players who don't have enough sponsors to fly out to these events without help? I'm all for not inviting players good enough to win WCS. My issue is when people think foreign players should have priority over players like Byul, Hydra, Zest or jjakji. These guys get little to no playing time outside team leagues and thus have no way to earn extra money or WCS points, yet they're good enough to tear shit up overseas; their teams just won't send them - in many cases because they don't have the money to. And as for your question, I was at Dreamhack. I liked the tournament a lot - it was nice to see Coca and Puzzle playing again. So those players SHOULD switch teams, for the ones that they would send them oversees. It's not like it's easy to just "switch teams for the ones that would send them overseas" - in 9 out of 10 cases you need results for a big team to pick you up or for a sponsor to take interest in you. And besides, there aren't enough teams with money to buy trips for all the players good enough to stomp on foreigners, which means that even if all players that foreign teams could take an interest in would switch teams, there would still be dozens more without the means to travel to foreign tournaments. Edit: and besides, like Wintex said this usually eliminates the team house factor which is one of the main reasons Koreans are so good at Starcraft. No team houses, less skill. Less skill, GG The team house factor is a choice koreans made my themselves, the high-skill density in korea caused by korean team houses is equally the reason, why koreans are so good and the reason for their lack of exposure. Koreans could move to Europe/America and accept a slight decrease in skill for a great increase of exposure. However, that is a choice they can made, while every other player in the wolrd has just to suck it up and accept the second option. Ah yes, Koreans should simply move halfway across the globe. Sounds reasonable to me. Can you not imagine why most people would not want to do this, even setting aside Starcraft-related reasons? But that's what people always love to tell non-koreans to do? Not the same thing bucko. If you truly want to be the best you go to the best training grounds and that's tried; tested and proven in many sports. I'm actually appalled by the CHL even thinking about putting a restriction on disallowing European goalies to join the League because the Canadians are worried about building more Canadian byproducts. That's what top prospects and athletes do. There's a lot to it and it takes a lot of balls to make such moves but it's a career decision. How is it different? If a good Korean player want to compete in MLG, they should fly them self out here. When NA players compete in Dreamhack, they fly there. The same with IEM and any other event. If they want to compete in all the MLGs because the player thinks they would win them all, its time to move for Korea to NA.
What's wrong with earning certain privileges when you've made it? The organization at the end of the day decides where they want to put that money and how much they will pamper the players that attend. That's on their expense in the same way it's the expense of the team's that compete and why the heck would they move here when in many cases they can fly down themselves. Some teams do it for several reasons, but mostly exposure. So once again, what they do with that money is on them and no one else. I've given beef to MLG before for flying players when I know they were trying to make money. The expense made very little sense to me. In any case it's on them and if they want to pamper the players so be it. If I'm a player I wouldn't have it any other way. No need to move when they can fly there and still train in their own territory. Hopefully you have a good team in place.
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On June 01 2013 03:40 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 03:34 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 03:29 StarStruck wrote:On June 01 2013 03:23 Eury wrote:On June 01 2013 03:17 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 03:15 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 03:04 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 03:00 Frankon wrote:On June 01 2013 02:54 Zealously wrote:On June 01 2013 02:48 Plansix wrote:
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Where were you guys when Dreamhack didn't invite Flash, Innoviation, Life and Rain to their event and seed them into groups? I mean, who is going to stick up for these poor, players who don't have enough sponsors to fly out to these events without help? I'm all for not inviting players good enough to win WCS. My issue is when people think foreign players should have priority over players like Byul, Hydra, Zest or jjakji. These guys get little to no playing time outside team leagues and thus have no way to earn extra money or WCS points, yet they're good enough to tear shit up overseas; their teams just won't send them - in many cases because they don't have the money to. And as for your question, I was at Dreamhack. I liked the tournament a lot - it was nice to see Coca and Puzzle playing again. So those players SHOULD switch teams, for the ones that they would send them oversees. It's not like it's easy to just "switch teams for the ones that would send them overseas" - in 9 out of 10 cases you need results for a big team to pick you up or for a sponsor to take interest in you. And besides, there aren't enough teams with money to buy trips for all the players good enough to stomp on foreigners, which means that even if all players that foreign teams could take an interest in would switch teams, there would still be dozens more without the means to travel to foreign tournaments. Edit: and besides, like Wintex said this usually eliminates the team house factor which is one of the main reasons Koreans are so good at Starcraft. No team houses, less skill. Less skill, GG The team house factor is a choice koreans made my themselves, the high-skill density in korea caused by korean team houses is equally the reason, why koreans are so good and the reason for their lack of exposure. Koreans could move to Europe/America and accept a slight decrease in skill for a great increase of exposure. However, that is a choice they can made, while every other player in the wolrd has just to suck it up and accept the second option. Ah yes, Koreans should simply move halfway across the globe. Sounds reasonable to me. Can you not imagine why most people would not want to do this, even setting aside Starcraft-related reasons? But that's what people always love to tell non-koreans to do? Not the same thing bucko. If you truly want to be the best you go to the best training grounds and that's tried; tested and proven in many sports. I'm actually appalled by the CHL even thinking about putting a restriction on disallowing European goalies to join the League because the Canadians are worried about building more Canadian byproducts. That's what top prospects and athletes do. There's a lot to it and it takes a lot of balls to make such moves but it's a career decision. How is it different? If a good Korean player want to compete in MLG, they should fly them self out here. When NA players compete in Dreamhack, they fly there. The same with IEM and any other event. If they want to compete in all the MLGs because the player thinks they would win them all, its time to move for Korea to NA. What's wrong with earning certain privileges when you've made it? The organization at the end of the day decides where they want to put that money and how much they will pamper the players that attend. That's on their expense in the same way it's the expense of the team's that compete and why the heck would they move here when in many cases they can fly down themselves. Some teams do it for several reasons, but mostly exposure. So once again, what they do with that money is on them and no one else. I've given beef to MLG before for flying players when I know they were trying to make money. The expense made very little sense to me. In any case it's on them and if they want to pamper the players so be it. If I'm a player I wouldn't have it any other way. No need to move when they can fly there and still train in their own territory. Hopefully you have a good team in place.
Agreed, but that's not want started the discussion. The fact that MGL didn't invite top Korean players and/or offer to fly them over is what started the argument. Some people were very grumpy about it and wanted the best Korea had to offer invited to the event. They were upset that some people were totally ok with the format and that there were no invites for top Korean players, saying that we "did care about the quality of the games."
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HOnestly I am not that interested in watching this stuff anymore.
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doesnt look very promising...
I wonder why they made it... smaller?
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To all the people talking about how small the event is, shouldn't they hold the US season finals during this event too?
[edit, actually, not if we look at the scheduled date; which makes it quite a disappointment indeed]
So actually, the tier 1 stage has full MLG live event exposure, while Premier league has arena-like exposure...wtf is wrong with you guys?
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On June 01 2013 03:51 FakePseudo wrote:
To all the people talking about how small the event is, shouldn't they hold the US season finals during this event too?
Season finals are internationally, there will be one hold in NA, but that is after season 2/3 and probably still a away quite a few time.
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I really like the current system of SC2 tournament with WCS as the main thing to look forward to and side tournaments like DH,MLG. 2012 was so freaking random and some tournament lost its importance. I didn't remember winners of some tournaments. It is more structured this way. Only waiting for GSTL and Proleague to merge.
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최지성 @Startale_Bomber 41m
What????25k??
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On June 01 2013 02:12 aike wrote:MLG and NASL gave out around $570k last year. Now with WCS, NASL can't work and MLG is only focusing on WCS so actual MLG events will give out a total of $150k this year if the next MLGs keep this $25k prize pool. Good job Blizzard. Show nested quote +see this is the kind of bitching that needs to stop. MLG is a part of WCS, thats where a large amount of their money is, thats why this is an open bracket with no reserved spots etc etc. This is purely an additional tournament MLG is doing and it's incredibly silly to condemn a tournament before the players/casters/venue etc has been mentioned. Personally I cant wait for it, gonna be some good games lol what? MLG's money is going towards WCS? I don't think so. That's Blizzard's money.
This. Exactly this. People are trying to justify this by saying that MLG is in the hole 100k for WCS. It's not true at all - the information is already out there that WCS is being propped up almost entirely by Blizzard.
My issue with this is that the scene is actually growing for SC2 (if viewership is any indication), and to gut/significantly downsize what was suppose to be the "premier" weekend tournament in the Americas, to what is now only a generic tournament, is horrible for Starcraft. Especially considering that MLG won the bid against NASL for WCS. Wouldn't it have been better for NASL to do WCS and for MLG to actually put on a premier tournament? Now we have a mediocre/bad WCS and a mediocre premier tournament in the Americas. Yet people are cheering this on like blind sheep?
If MLG bit off more than they could chew trying to get their foot in every door, it's their fault. I wouldn't be so upset if they hadn't destroyed NASL in the process. They owe it to the scene to, at minimum, maintain their current level of production. But to lower it now that there is no competition? That justifies some disgust in my mind.
Also, even if we gave into the false premise that they are paying for WCS (which they are not), MLG should still be perfectly capable of putting on a great WCS and a great Premier tournament by using the common sense that people are bringing up in this thread. And they are simply choosing not to. Hence my opinion that they just don't give a shit.
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On June 01 2013 03:53 sitromit wrote:
God knows, we were seeking Bombers approval for the prize money he could win. After all, 10K in a weekend is pocket change.
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On June 01 2013 03:53 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 03:51 FakePseudo wrote:
To all the people talking about how small the event is, shouldn't they hold the US season finals during this event too? Season finals are internationally, there will be one hold in NA, but that is after season 2/3 and probably still a away quite a few time.
I was talking about the WCS USA season finals, not the global finals, but anyway, upon checking, I was wrong.
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