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On June 01 2013 05:33 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:32 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 05:29 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:28 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 05:25 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:19 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 05:16 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 05:07 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 04:53 Shiori wrote:On June 01 2013 04:47 Plansix wrote:
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If they are that good, they can slog through the open bracket just like everyone else. I know that some people get very upset at the concept of Innovation or Flash having to dirty their hands by playing in the open bracket against "unworthy opponents", but any other system is just unfair and not real competition. Maybe I'm blind, but what was wrong with this?Tonnes of foreigners, tonnes of top Koreans, including some open bracket runs by people like Rain. What in the world was wrong with that? The main problem with MLG Fall 2012 was the MLG vs Proleague Invitational which was an event specifically designed to seed Proleague players into the group play. It had no other purpose but to assure any player who came over would not have to play in the open bracket. It provided some other players seeds they didn't earn either, which is also total BS. So just get rid of the MLG vs Proleague and have regional qualifiers online. Simple and accomplishes the same thing. Or everyone can just come and play in the open bracket like everyone else? We don't need to qualify people for free seeds to groups per region just to assure that select groups of players can avoid the open bracket and all the struggles that go with that. So you think there's nothing reasonable about the notion that people who won the previous MLG should have some sort of champion's privilege? What kind of logic is that? Christ, if we look at open tournaments in real life, the point of the open bracket is to give amateurs a chance to step it up; we don't make the world champion leg it through the open bracket just to make it into group play because it's already established that he's of that level. Oh, its totally fine if people who won previous events that year get a place in groups. That is how MLG was before they started messing with the system to make sure Korean players got to avoid the open bracket. I would even accept the top 4, as long as the previous event had the same format at the current one. But no invite only event that then seeds into an event with the open bracket. So you would be okay with regional qualifiers, so long as there were no restrictions on entry (beyond, perhaps, preventing anyone below Masters from entering)? Sure, as long a everyone plays under the same rules, including players from NA. As longs the rules are the same for everyone, I don't care. But the instant Kespa gets their own bracket because they don't want to qualify against eSF players, I am out. Sounds reasonable to me. I think MLG should have done this, that's all.
The thing is that MLG has always been about the open bracket and only started doing invites to assure that Korean players were at the event. Since they started doing it in 2011, the number of invited Korean players and grown and they have found more ways to have the invited players avoid the open bracket. MLG got away from where it started, with players coming from all over and blazing their way through the open bracket to win the event, like Huk and Nani'wa. Finally, early this year they moved to invite only event with an invite only, region and league specific qualifier. At the time I didn't care, but look back it was far from the parts of MLG I enjoyed in 2011.
With WCS, there is room for an event where its all about how shows up and who is the best out of those players.
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They literally put this together at the last minute. They're scrambling for casters right now because MLG wasn't actually going to have SC2 at Anaheim before they started to feel the heat.
Prize pool, organization and player size... Just really sad.
WCS. Moving the scene forward.
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Only 128 for an open?
Did they completely forget all the shit they took last time?
Though since this is offline, I suppose not many people will have the money to invest in showing up ...
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On June 01 2013 05:46 Gamegene wrote:
They literally put this together at the last minute. They're scrambling for casters right now because MLG wasn't actually going to have SC2 at Anaheim before they started to feel the heat.
Prize pool, organization and player size... Just really sad.
WCS. Moving the scene forward.
I don't think it's the fault of WCS whatsoever. It's the fault of Blizzard for trusting WCS in the hands of MLG. There isn't an issue at all in Europe. Dreamhack and ESL are doing great. Homestory Cup and Asus Rog announced and look wonderful. There isn't an issue in Korea - Kespa and GOM are apparently working it out to the benefit of everyone.
The only problem is in the Americas. The only problem is with MLG. Why can't people see this?
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On June 01 2013 05:51 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:46 Gamegene wrote:
They literally put this together at the last minute. They're scrambling for casters right now because MLG wasn't actually going to have SC2 at Anaheim before they started to feel the heat.
Prize pool, organization and player size... Just really sad.
WCS. Moving the scene forward. I don't think it's the fault of WCS whatsoever. It's the fault of Blizzard for trusting WCS in the hands of MLG. There isn't an issue at all in Europe. Dreamhack and ESL are doing great. Homestory Cup and Asus Rog announced and look wonderful. There isn't an issue in Korea - Kespa and GOM are apparently working it out to the benefit of everyone. The only problem is in the Americas. The only problem is with MLG. Why can't people see this?
People are slightly more reasonable and don't compare MLG to an event run out of a guys apartment, a massive LAN that would go on with or without SC2 and a production company that has been running SC2 in Korea since launch.
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On June 01 2013 05:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:51 SCST wrote:On June 01 2013 05:46 Gamegene wrote:
They literally put this together at the last minute. They're scrambling for casters right now because MLG wasn't actually going to have SC2 at Anaheim before they started to feel the heat.
Prize pool, organization and player size... Just really sad.
WCS. Moving the scene forward. I don't think it's the fault of WCS whatsoever. It's the fault of Blizzard for trusting WCS in the hands of MLG. There isn't an issue at all in Europe. Dreamhack and ESL are doing great. Homestory Cup and Asus Rog announced and look wonderful. There isn't an issue in Korea - Kespa and GOM are apparently working it out to the benefit of everyone. The only problem is in the Americas. The only problem is with MLG. Why can't people see this? People are slightly more reasonable and don't compare MLG to an event run out of a guys apartment, a massive LAN that would go on with or without SC2 and a production company that has been running SC2 in Korea since launch.
mlg would go on with or without sc2, they were around for 6-7 years++ before sc2. they have also ran sc2 since basically launch.
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On June 01 2013 05:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:51 SCST wrote:On June 01 2013 05:46 Gamegene wrote:
They literally put this together at the last minute. They're scrambling for casters right now because MLG wasn't actually going to have SC2 at Anaheim before they started to feel the heat.
Prize pool, organization and player size... Just really sad.
WCS. Moving the scene forward. I don't think it's the fault of WCS whatsoever. It's the fault of Blizzard for trusting WCS in the hands of MLG. There isn't an issue at all in Europe. Dreamhack and ESL are doing great. Homestory Cup and Asus Rog announced and look wonderful. There isn't an issue in Korea - Kespa and GOM are apparently working it out to the benefit of everyone. The only problem is in the Americas. The only problem is with MLG. Why can't people see this? People are slightly more reasonable and don't compare MLG to an event run out of a guys apartment, a massive LAN that would go on with or without SC2 and a production company that has been running SC2 in Korea since launch.
Those European tournaments that you seem diminish with a cheeky attitude actually have the same prize pool as MLG Anaheim, and neither are intended to be the Premier European event. It's likely that they both will have much better production, as well. Not only is it reasonable to compare them in my opinion, it's more than reasonable to criticize MLG for downgrading their production significantly.
Whether you agree with it or not, the Starcraft tournament scene has been destroyed in the Americas. I didn't have to happen, and it's not the fault of WCS. It's not the fault of viewership, which is increasing. MLG was given the key to putting on a great production for WCS and a great premier tournament. Both are appearing to be very lackluster.
I also blame Blizzard somewhat for not being cautious enough when IPL went down, and for allowing NASL to disappear. They really put everything into MLG without considering that they might be a typical greedy organization that would take advantage of their monopoly. Now we're seeing the results.
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On June 01 2013 05:46 Gamegene wrote:
They literally put this together at the last minute. They're scrambling for casters right now because MLG wasn't actually going to have SC2 at Anaheim before they started to feel the heat.
Prize pool, organization and player size... Just really sad.
WCS. Moving the scene forward.
Ha you think they put this together at the last minute? Sc2 was always going to be at Anaheim. They said that at Dallas, MLG Adam said it over a month ago on Reddit.
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Its just another mini GSL weekender I wont be watching
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Player passes already sold out? So sad.
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Yeah, ok, but will it have League?
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could be interesting. The more comments revolve around won't be watching, the better the games usual get.
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Tried to buy one the second it turned 5pm et. Still somehow got the "all passes are being ordered" error 
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On June 01 2013 06:04 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:46 Gamegene wrote:
They literally put this together at the last minute. They're scrambling for casters right now because MLG wasn't actually going to have SC2 at Anaheim before they started to feel the heat.
Prize pool, organization and player size... Just really sad.
WCS. Moving the scene forward. Ha you think they put this together at the last minute? Sc2 was always going to be at Anaheim. They said that at Dallas, MLG Adam said it over a month ago on Reddit.
One week ago there was absolutely no information about the event or any concrete confirmation until 2 days ago.
http://imgur.com/RqjIP6D
If this event was the result of months of planning and logistics then that's just pathetic.
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On June 01 2013 06:10 Pursuit_ wrote:
Player passes already sold out? So sad.
Ha. From the comments in the thread you would think everyone would be boycotting this event.
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On June 01 2013 06:13 Ver wrote:Tried to buy one the second it turned 5pm et. Still somehow got the "all passes are being ordered" error
Same thing happened to me...
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On June 01 2013 06:03 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 05:55 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 05:51 SCST wrote:On June 01 2013 05:46 Gamegene wrote:
They literally put this together at the last minute. They're scrambling for casters right now because MLG wasn't actually going to have SC2 at Anaheim before they started to feel the heat.
Prize pool, organization and player size... Just really sad.
WCS. Moving the scene forward. I don't think it's the fault of WCS whatsoever. It's the fault of Blizzard for trusting WCS in the hands of MLG. There isn't an issue at all in Europe. Dreamhack and ESL are doing great. Homestory Cup and Asus Rog announced and look wonderful. There isn't an issue in Korea - Kespa and GOM are apparently working it out to the benefit of everyone. The only problem is in the Americas. The only problem is with MLG. Why can't people see this? People are slightly more reasonable and don't compare MLG to an event run out of a guys apartment, a massive LAN that would go on with or without SC2 and a production company that has been running SC2 in Korea since launch. Those European tournaments that you seem diminish with a cheeky attitude actually have the same prize pool as MLG Anaheim, and neither are intended to be the Premier European event. It's likely that they both will have much better production, as well. Not only is it reasonable to compare them in my opinion, it's more than reasonable to criticize MLG for downgrading their production significantly. Whether you agree with it or not, the Starcraft tournament scene has been destroyed in the Americas. I didn't have to happen, and it's not the fault of WCS. MLG was given the key to putting on a great production for WCS and a great premier tournament. Both are appearing to be very lackluster. I also blame Blizzard somewhat for not being cautious enough when IPL went down, and for allowing NASL to disappear. They really put everything into MLG without considering that they might be a typical greedy organization that would take advantage of their monopoly. Now we're seeing the results.
My attitude is one that doesn't freak out every time MLG makes an announcement. Every time they put on an event, people lose their minds and jump up and down about how horrible everything is. Last time, people whined because it was an invite only event. This time, its an open bracket only and people whine that their aren't enough invites of top Korean players. People are grumpy that MLG isn't handing out four times as much as Dreamhack, who somehow gets none of this shit, ever.
And me, I am just pumped it is on a weekend I don't have to go to a wedding and my friends are in town.
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This past 3 months for amateur players has been quite laughable. Poor organization overall in NA and new magical rules about qualification process from the initial open WCS bracket keep coming up which exclude players based on rules they never knew of at the time; not to mention what just happened to these player passes.
It's sad for me as a player because I really want to continue playing but seeing how much I'm enjoying the game and the incredibly poor organization I can't help but feel a sense of freedom for when a new competitive title comes out.
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