EPTNew extremely fast injection method - Page 3
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MagnuMizer
Denmark384 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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mumming
Faroe Islands256 Posts
Edit: And i played with it in unit test. With full energy, and full upgrades on both sides, 4 ghost kill 3 broodlords with 1 casualty :D | ||
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Jochan
Poland1730 Posts
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
If you're having problems with wandering queens, just don't use a group hotkey to inject. Click each queen as u cycle thru ur hatcheries. | ||
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Naemesis
Netherlands24 Posts
and for some reason I couldn't bind in Starcraft client keys with modifier, any of them, it looked like only single keybinds are possible. That's pretty odd... It works for me. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:26 Jochan wrote: I've just tried it, I see no ground breaking benefits from it. Like others mentioned it's backspace method with a little twist, it doesn't fix the problem of wandering queens when you have more hatcheries then queens, and for some reason I couldn't bind in Starcraft client keys with modifier, any of them, it looked like only single keybinds are possible. Please detail exactly what you were unable to do in hotkeys. Command cards are a little finicky, and also, sometimes a modifier that you think you're holding down isn't recognized as being held down. | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
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Diddywhop
United States42 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:53 Kaitlin wrote: 100% agree, because once you start using screen locations, it lends itself to other areas than injects, such as defending against drops, worker transfers, everything. Using backspace method is like a box of chocolates, you never know which base you're going to get. ( I know they cycle in order, but it always picks up where it leaves off, which could be any base) This is well said. I don't use base injects for this reason specifically. I've found it can hinder my late game. I have base keys, but I also hotkey my queens to individual keys (4,5,6). I don't feel like its very efficient, but it works for now. On 3 base, the backspace method is the best. But, how long do you stay on 3 base as a zerg now a days? When those drops starting coming and queens start dying, it just doesn't work as well for me. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:20 Sunrunner wrote: I think I get it. The mouse is over the middle of your screen. The first key centers your screen over your hatchery. The second key is inject larvae. The third key "clicks" the cursor which is over the hatchery in the middle of your screen. The first key then moves to the next hatchery. It sounds brilliantly fast. It really seems even faster than backspace method. Might be this is a (small) revolution for Z macro  Good find! | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:35 ACrow wrote: It really seems even faster than backspace method. Might be this is a (small) revolution for Z macro Good find! It's not faster than the backspace method. It is the backspace method. Any method of injecting that uses the 'Cycle Base Cam' hotkey is the backspace method. Everybody and their mother has their own keys setup for it, but they are all just derivatives of the same method. Some implementations are better than others, but they all share the same drawbacks. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:39 Kaitlin wrote: It's not faster than the backspace method. It is the backspace method. Any method of injecting that uses the 'Cycle Base Cam' hotkey is the backspace method. Everybody and their mother has their own keys setup for it, but they are all just derivatives of the same method. Some implementations are better than others, but they all share the same drawbacks. You don't need to press a mouse button, hence it should be (slightly) faster than traditional backspace. Wasn't aware that there was a strict definition of what was called 'backspace method' and what not. Not needing to use mouse is new to me. | ||
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viasacra89
United States134 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:39 Kaitlin wrote: It's not faster than the backspace method. It is the backspace method. Any method of injecting that uses the 'Cycle Base Cam' hotkey is the backspace method. Everybody and their mother has their own keys setup for it, but they are all just derivatives of the same method. Some implementations are better than others, but they all share the same drawbacks. Yup, this is the backspace method. Personally I bind the base cam to the spacebar. It really seems like people don't like to use their mouse O_o. | ||
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Scisyhp
United States200 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:13 Deleuze wrote: The challenge with injects isn't how fast you can do it, it's timing it right so that you never go much above 25 energy on all your active queens. Not sure what you mean by this. As soon as you get to the skill level where you're expected to simultaneously be attacking and injecting, it is absolutely critical to do injects in as little time as possible so you can get your focus back to the battle. Macroing is a little less time-critical because you can maintain visual focus on the battle while making units. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:45 ACrow wrote: You don't need to press a mouse button, hence it should be (slightly) faster than traditional backspace. Wasn't aware that there was a strict definition of what was called 'backspace method' and what not. Not needing to use mouse is new to me. Not needing to use the mouse was only recently implemented by Blizzard in their hotkey interface, that's why it's "new" to anyone who wasn't using this technique with a programmable keyboard or something like Autohotkeys. I've been doing it for a couple years now. It's debatable if clicking a key with your left hand is faster than clicking the mouse with your right. Some think it is, others don't. That's ok. Whatever is best for each individual is up to them. As for the strict definition of backspace method, it's called that because Backspace was the standard keybind for the 'Cycle Base Cams' function. That's the entire point of the method. Using that function to quickly cycle through hatches for injecting. It's not new. Everybody who uses this method has a particular setup for what they use as 'Backspace' (nobody uses that key anymore, I would assume), for injecting, and for queen control group. Is every unique combination of those three keys a new method ? Of course not. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
I still prefer the korean style of hotkeying individual hatches though (+ screen locations). Sure it might be a second slower when cycling injects, but you have control to create units or set rally at specific individual hatches quickly. I guess it comes down to what people find is more beneficial through the game, but seeing some of the top pro zergs who can do very well without backspace method, leads me to believe it isn`t worth giving up the other benefits of using another method. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:48 Scisyhp wrote: Not sure what you mean by this. As soon as you get to the skill level where you're expected to simultaneously be attacking and injecting, it is absolutely critical to do injects in as little time as possible so you can get your focus back to the battle. Macroing is a little less time-critical because you can maintain visual focus on the battle while making units. I take this to mean that this method focuses on minimizing the time it takes for an actual inject cycle, but has no means of monitoring when it's time to inject. Other methods, such as individually hotkeyed queens can be activated to see if they have enough energy to inject, or individually hotkeyed hatches can be activated to see if the inject status bar is active or not, or whatever other methods. Given that timely injections are more important that shaving fractions of seconds off of untimely injections, his point might be that this method doesn't focus on what is more important. But then, I might be wrong about his intent | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On May 13 2013 01:01 Cheerio wrote: I dont see what is "new" in this method. I think maybe instead of this thread being about an optimized injection method, it's really about one implementation idea of how one might use the ability to use the keyboard to 'left click'. That's really what these new threads popping up are really about. Using the keyboard instead of 'left click' (or 'right click' for that matter). | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:33 D4V3Z02 wrote: Using a keyboard-hotkey instead of the left mouse button doesnt make anything faster. if your left hand is on your keyboard and your right hand is on your mouse how sure are you that at max speed you wont click at the wrong time ruining everything? | ||
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