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On May 10 2013 14:05 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 14:03 Qwyn wrote:
Look at the size of this thread.
Look at the weight - the power - that his comments hold.
I'm disappointed with you, EG. I can't help but say what I think. You released one of your most valuable assets, - arguably the core of your very team - a player who goes against the mold and says what he thinks logically, who acts consistently and has established himself as the greatest actor and antihero of this industry.
You just released the core character of your entire lineup - who has been with you since the beginning, because he said something that is no different from anything else he has said. He was not out of character. He was not out of line.
In a way, what Idra said was true. This community LOVES this sort of bullshit. It was bred for it, thrives on it. It needs it, because without it there can be no storylines worth remembering.
You took the easy way out . You made a decision which has lessened the character of your team, the charisma of your lineup, and the weight you hold in my mind.
To say that Idra is EG is not far off from the truth. I'm very disappointed with your decision Mr. Garfield. He wasn't with EG until SC2, up until that point, he talked shit to EG people constantly. The most valuable assets to EG are probably the people who win pro-games, like Stephano and DeMuslim.
Idra made EG's SCII lineup. I am speaking within the context of SCII.
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These are some shocking news to wake up too, wtf...
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On May 10 2013 13:55 ninazerg wrote:
To be honest, I was more surprised when he joined EG. After all the trash-talk on Lz and Machine, I thought it was an odd fit for him. As far as the career goes, I really feel bad because he gave up a scholarship to study theoretical physics to play games professionally, and now that career kind of crumbled away. I'm sure he can still make money streaming, as long as he's talented enough to compete in Grandmasters.
I can only imagine all the people he trashed with bad manners in games are laughing their asses off right now, but I don't take what he posted on TL personally. I have really mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, if you treat people bad, it will come back to bite you, but on the other hand, I really would much rather be kind to people, even if they aren't good people. It's a weird desire for both justice and mercy.
I think I like mercy more though.
By the way, I've always been curious is there a source other than "something I'd like to do" for this statement? I'm pretty sure he just referenced this as an intended field he'd like to explore wasn't it? I don't know if you can get a scholarship specifically for theoretical physics in high school... You can get an academics scholarship and apply it to that field of study, but that's still only an intended major and only applies as long as you keep certain academic levels up right? It seems a little too implied that this would have been his course of study had he not played games. Not to say he could or couldn't do it, I just find the statement kind of strange.
It'd be nice if someone could source it in his liquidpedia page or PM me so I don't have to monitor the thread. It's always just been something that bugged me.
We do need more people like Neil deGrasse Tyson(astrophysicist) and Lawrence Krauss(this guy is so awesome T_T - theoretical physicist)
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On May 10 2013 13:59 RoboSnail wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 13:55 suicideyear wrote:On May 10 2013 13:54 Toons wrote:On May 10 2013 13:52 suicideyear wrote:On May 10 2013 13:49 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:39 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 10 2013 13:32 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:27 docvoc wrote:On May 10 2013 13:22 Chaggi wrote:On May 10 2013 13:14 RoboSnail wrote:
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Pretty convenient to forget the popularity that he has brought to a game and community that hardly deserves it. Idra has been nothing but honest about everything hes ever said. You sit on your high horse and talk shit about him, but hes brought more attention negative or positive to sc2 then any other pro out there. He's still one of the best sc2 players in the world and he deserves your respect. It's pretty clear that Idra has anger issues that he has very little control over yet everyone judges him and eggs him on for a reaction. If any of you were harassed and bullied even half as much as Idra you would be just as toxic if not worse.
It's so funny to watch all you bandwagon forum warriors pretend like you could deal with the stress Idra is under day in and day out. This community has been just as shitty and toxic towards idra and yet you act surprised when he acts out in a toxic manner.
Jokes on EG anyway, Idra likely already has offers piling up by teams that are looking for thousands of new fans. I'll be one of them.
Idra Fighting! I don't think he deserves my respect. As a player, he had every advantage given to him and he basically pissed it away screaming imba imba imba. He may have helped establish the scene when it was young, but putting credit solely on him is a disservice to anyone else involved. What about Day9? What about Jinro? HuK? Anyone of those guys could've carried it the way Idra did. The only difference is that they didn't have to BM everyone and call everything OP. His attitude was shit and he deserves everything coming at him. Karma's a bitch. That opinion boggles my mind. The people who think he built the scene, I mean, how long have these people been here? Do they remember the beta tournaments with NoNy an all that jazz? Saying that he built the scene is like saying Rome was built in a day, it's wrong and a banality at best. He did quite little other than bring attention to the scene with his BM. There was a period where he was quite dominant, but in that period people had little idea of what they were doing, and there were other foreigners and koreans better than idrA. The dude could be cool if his personality wasn't like it is. Some players are like NaNi and are incredibly competitive, but nice outside of the game, idrA was the same jerk inside and outside. Nothing was ever good enough, and if he ever lost it was due to some bs that he couldn't control. How can people say it was him that built this scene when that blatantly isn't true? I've been on TL and played sc2 since the beta. I used to play as a top masters zerg and have always admired Idra's skill and honesty. IMO he is the most important player in the scene as far as popularity and according to his TL fan page I'm right. His fanpage is a cesspool and not something that should be admired. He appeals to the "imba" crowd. The people who blame the game instead of themselves as to why they're performing badly. There just happens to be a lot of people in that crowd. It draws them in. He does the same thing as them except he makes money. He's setting an example. A horrid one. One that needs to be washed away. Your post makes you sound like a very upset jealous nerd. He's both a better player and more relevant even now then any other foreigner will ever be. I know you're taking the piss but it's a shame that some people actually believe this line of thought It's a shame your not smart enough to recognise he gave more publicity to his brand, than any other pro gamer ... Use your brain, Esports is propped up by companies throwing marketing money at it. Exposure to brand = money keeps coming. I don't give a fuck about esports because if it needs people to act like turdburglers to make money it isn't a sustainable sport in the first place sry Actually it is, look at NFL NBA any other sport you can think of. Bming is part of the competitive spirit if you cant handle it go play a none competitive sport.
You're misunderstanding the point I'm trying to make
I come from fighting games before SC2 so BM is like being polite
NBA and NFL and MLB and NHL and everything else are revenue driven leagues, sponsorship money is complimentary and ties into the revenue generation of the league itself
Esports is not revenue driven and is volatile as fuck financially, if a sponsor feels like they aren't getting a good return on their investment they have no issues with cutting ties
Companies will sponsor a guy like LeBron James or Sidney Crosby because people love to hate him AND theyre goodthey won't sponsor a guy like Matt Cooke because people just hate him and its not like Matt Cooke is going to win Art Ross anytime soon. Parting talks shit and backs it up. That's how you get competitive spirit
there is a point where if needing to get by on personalites is the only way you can make a profit (and not via the actual product being played) then you need to pack it up and go home or into the entertainment business
Champ Car/CART drivers had tons of sponsorships (as it is with motorsports) but if you live and die by sponsor money then you arent anything remotely stable
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wow. honestly knew it would happen eventually, but it's still surprising to finally hear it.
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Hmmm..
I've been a EG fan for years now. And while I do love several players for different reasons. Like Incontrol and Demuslim. And of course my fellow swede Thorzain. Idra was the reason I began following EG in the first place. While Idra have said and done so many bad things. And while he constantly leaving games have been a reason that really destroyed a lot of the entertainment by me just constantly hoping that he would not do that when he could still win, he's a favourite of mine and I do hate this.
I totally understand why EG did what they did. But I do not support it and I do think that in the end they made a big mistake.
But it's not like my opinion matters. 
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On May 10 2013 14:01 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 13:59 Maloreon wrote:On May 10 2013 13:56 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 13:52 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:48 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 13:38 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:31 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 13:22 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:13 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 12:57 theLeopard wrote:
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I hate this ****.
You're the person IdrA was talking to and I'm finished with this thread and discussion you're all a bunch of fucks.
User was temp banned for this post. No doubt you're one of the elusive, typical Idra fans these days. Coincidence? Don't let the door hit ya on the way out . . . Funny he got banned for speaking the truth. Just like idra for pointing out how much of a tool all you haters are who watch his stream just to talk shit and troll him while unintentionally making him rich hahahaha. Haha . . . ha? Except that, like 95% of the community that you just called "tools" and 'haters", I rarely watch his stream. I never go into his chat. And I never troll him. Are you Idra posting on a different account? Regardless of who you are, as Sundance would say: you just don't "get it". You are a liar, you have contributed in the past and you are contributing now making him ever more popular. Think you need to chill out there bub. It's not you & Idra against the community . . . it's just you against a few select people who troll Idra in his stream chat. As many of us have said before in the thread - Idra stated that all of the community are "a bunch of fucks". He insults all players, even guys like Polt by being BM in world-wide broadcasted games. I'm sorry to say that you are not special. Idra doesn't like you, either. You are not a special snowflake. I feel bad for "fans" that don't understand this. =/ Idra doesn't need to like me, He doesn't owe me or anyone else anything. The community should be thanking him for the life he breathed into it. There's a recognized disorder that describes "thanking" people that are abusive to you . . . scan up a couple posts. It starts with an "S". Are you actually equating Idra's personality or statements toward fans and/or their reaction towards him in an online VIDEO GAME forum community to a disorder such as Stockholm?? I mean normally internet forums get pretty far out there but seriously... lol. Idra's had real life psychiatrists.
Unfortunately I'm afraid you don't understand what this disorder is or even the relevance (or lack thereof) to making the analogy that was made.
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Anyone else think there is a chance that he'll try to go back to Korea to train with either an eSF or KeSPa team?
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On May 10 2013 14:05 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 14:03 Qwyn wrote:
Look at the size of this thread.
Look at the weight - the power - that his comments hold.
I'm disappointed with you, EG. I can't help but say what I think. You released one of your most valuable assets, - arguably the core of your very team - a player who goes against the mold and says what he thinks logically, who acts consistently and has established himself as the greatest actor and antihero of this industry.
You just released the core character of your entire lineup - who has been with you since the beginning, because he said something that is no different from anything else he has said. He was not out of character. He was not out of line.
In a way, what Idra said was true. This community LOVES this sort of bullshit. It was bred for it, thrives on it. It needs it, because without it there can be no storylines worth remembering.
You took the easy way out . You made a decision which has lessened the character of your team, the charisma of your lineup, and the weight you hold in my mind.
To say that Idra is EG is not far off from the truth. I'm very disappointed with your decision Mr. Garfield. He wasn't with EG until SC2, up until that point, he talked shit to EG people constantly. The most valuable assets to EG are probably the people who win pro-games, like Stephano and DeMuslim.
I agreed with some of your previous posts, until this.
Idra made a fantastic point in amongst his 'bunch of fucks' comment.
Paraphrased: 'Being successful (financially) in the Esports industry is, at most, tangentially related to being the best player'.
Sucks that this overall point will be lost.
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On May 10 2013 14:08 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 13:55 ninazerg wrote:
To be honest, I was more surprised when he joined EG. After all the trash-talk on Lz and Machine, I thought it was an odd fit for him. As far as the career goes, I really feel bad because he gave up a scholarship to study theoretical physics to play games professionally, and now that career kind of crumbled away. I'm sure he can still make money streaming, as long as he's talented enough to compete in Grandmasters.
I can only imagine all the people he trashed with bad manners in games are laughing their asses off right now, but I don't take what he posted on TL personally. I have really mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, if you treat people bad, it will come back to bite you, but on the other hand, I really would much rather be kind to people, even if they aren't good people. It's a weird desire for both justice and mercy.
I think I like mercy more though. By the way, I've always been curious is there a source other than "something I'd like to do" for this statement? I'm pretty sure he just referenced this as an intended field he'd like to explore wasn't it? I don't know if you can get a scholarship specifically for theoretical physics in high school... You can get an academics scholarship and apply it to that field of study, but that's still only an intended major and only applies as long as you keep certain academic levels up right? It seems a little too implied that this would have been his course of study had he not played games. Not to say he could or couldn't do it, I just find the statement kind of strange. It'd be nice if someone could source it in his liquidpedia page or PM me so I don't have to monitor the thread. It's always just been something that bugged me. We do need more people like Neil deGrasse Tyson(astrophysicist) and Lawrence Krauss(this guy is so awesome T_T - theoretical physicist)
I'm surprised he says this about Idra hating on machine considering Idra and machine both rented a house (or apartment) together. I don't think idra hated machine, might have lzgamer I dunno but I know he liked machine. Him/inka(iirc)/machine all bought a place and stayed together until the EG house.
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On May 10 2013 14:06 Toons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 14:03 ninazerg wrote:On May 10 2013 13:59 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:55 suicideyear wrote:On May 10 2013 13:54 Toons wrote:On May 10 2013 13:52 suicideyear wrote:On May 10 2013 13:49 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:39 Infernal_dream wrote:On May 10 2013 13:32 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:27 docvoc wrote:
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That opinion boggles my mind. The people who think he built the scene, I mean, how long have these people been here? Do they remember the beta tournaments with NoNy an all that jazz? Saying that he built the scene is like saying Rome was built in a day, it's wrong and a banality at best. He did quite little other than bring attention to the scene with his BM. There was a period where he was quite dominant, but in that period people had little idea of what they were doing, and there were other foreigners and koreans better than idrA. The dude could be cool if his personality wasn't like it is. Some players are like NaNi and are incredibly competitive, but nice outside of the game, idrA was the same jerk inside and outside. Nothing was ever good enough, and if he ever lost it was due to some bs that he couldn't control. How can people say it was him that built this scene when that blatantly isn't true? I've been on TL and played sc2 since the beta. I used to play as a top masters zerg and have always admired Idra's skill and honesty. IMO he is the most important player in the scene as far as popularity and according to his TL fan page I'm right. His fanpage is a cesspool and not something that should be admired. He appeals to the "imba" crowd. The people who blame the game instead of themselves as to why they're performing badly. There just happens to be a lot of people in that crowd. It draws them in. He does the same thing as them except he makes money. He's setting an example. A horrid one. One that needs to be washed away. Your post makes you sound like a very upset jealous nerd. He's both a better player and more relevant even now then any other foreigner will ever be. I know you're taking the piss but it's a shame that some people actually believe this line of thought It's a shame your not smart enough to recognise he gave more publicity to his brand, than any other pro gamer ... Use your brain, Esports is propped up by companies throwing marketing money at it. Exposure to brand = money keeps coming. I don't give a fuck about esports because if it needs people to act like turdburglers to make money it isn't a sustainable sport in the first place sry Actually it is, look at NFL NBA any other sport you can think of. Bming is part of the competitive spirit if you cant handle it go play a none competitive sport. Notice in every pro-sports interview, the players always thank the fans. If they said "Fuck the fans", they'd get canned instantly. Succicnt summary. There are countless douchebags in competitive everything. The moment that your "medium" (the player) messes with/polarises the recipients then its "see you, we can find someone else"
Honestly, I don't know if he'd have gotten booted from the team if he had been performing better. And he wasn't.
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On May 10 2013 14:10 chaos021 wrote:
Anyone else think there is a chance that he'll try to go back to Korea to train with either an eSF or KeSPa team?
why would any kespa team bother when they can just promote a b-teamed or sign one of the 10000 Korean Zergs that will play without the baggage
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On May 10 2013 14:03 Xahhk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 13:59 Maloreon wrote:On May 10 2013 13:56 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 13:52 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:48 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 13:38 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:31 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 13:22 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:13 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 12:57 theLeopard wrote:
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I hate this ****.
You're the person IdrA was talking to and I'm finished with this thread and discussion you're all a bunch of fucks.
User was temp banned for this post. No doubt you're one of the elusive, typical Idra fans these days. Coincidence? Don't let the door hit ya on the way out . . . Funny he got banned for speaking the truth. Just like idra for pointing out how much of a tool all you haters are who watch his stream just to talk shit and troll him while unintentionally making him rich hahahaha. Haha . . . ha? Except that, like 95% of the community that you just called "tools" and 'haters", I rarely watch his stream. I never go into his chat. And I never troll him. Are you Idra posting on a different account? Regardless of who you are, as Sundance would say: you just don't "get it". You are a liar, you have contributed in the past and you are contributing now making him ever more popular. Think you need to chill out there bub. It's not you & Idra against the community . . . it's just you against a few select people who troll Idra in his stream chat. As many of us have said before in the thread - Idra stated that all of the community are "a bunch of fucks". He insults all players, even guys like Polt by being BM in world-wide broadcasted games. I'm sorry to say that you are not special. Idra doesn't like you, either. You are not a special snowflake. I feel bad for "fans" that don't understand this. =/ Idra doesn't need to like me, He doesn't owe me or anyone else anything. The community should be thanking him for the life he breathed into it. There's a recognized disorder that describes "thanking" people that are abusive to you . . . scan up a couple posts. It starts with an "S". Are you actually equating Idra's personality or statements toward fans and/or their reaction towards him in an online VIDEO GAME forum community to a disorder such as Stockholm?? I mean normally internet forums get pretty far out there but seriously... lol. He's calling you a bitch in more eloquent terms. He doesn't actually think Idra has you in his psychological grip such that you bond with him out of survival instinct. Hope that's clear.
Correction, he's calling himself that if he makes that analogy. I'm not an Idra fan nor have I ever been. Also, my point was the analogy was awful and pathetic. Getting really tired of the misuse of psychological disorders/psychiatric disorders as I work in this field and its sad to see is misused and/or used as an argument.
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On May 10 2013 14:09 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 14:01 Caihead wrote:On May 10 2013 13:59 Maloreon wrote:On May 10 2013 13:56 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 13:52 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:48 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 13:38 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:31 SCST wrote:On May 10 2013 13:22 RoboSnail wrote:On May 10 2013 13:13 SCST wrote:
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No doubt you're one of the elusive, typical Idra fans these days. Coincidence? Don't let the door hit ya on the way out . . . Funny he got banned for speaking the truth. Just like idra for pointing out how much of a tool all you haters are who watch his stream just to talk shit and troll him while unintentionally making him rich hahahaha. Haha . . . ha? Except that, like 95% of the community that you just called "tools" and 'haters", I rarely watch his stream. I never go into his chat. And I never troll him. Are you Idra posting on a different account? Regardless of who you are, as Sundance would say: you just don't "get it". You are a liar, you have contributed in the past and you are contributing now making him ever more popular. Think you need to chill out there bub. It's not you & Idra against the community . . . it's just you against a few select people who troll Idra in his stream chat. As many of us have said before in the thread - Idra stated that all of the community are "a bunch of fucks". He insults all players, even guys like Polt by being BM in world-wide broadcasted games. I'm sorry to say that you are not special. Idra doesn't like you, either. You are not a special snowflake. I feel bad for "fans" that don't understand this. =/ Idra doesn't need to like me, He doesn't owe me or anyone else anything. The community should be thanking him for the life he breathed into it. There's a recognized disorder that describes "thanking" people that are abusive to you . . . scan up a couple posts. It starts with an "S". Are you actually equating Idra's personality or statements toward fans and/or their reaction towards him in an online VIDEO GAME forum community to a disorder such as Stockholm?? I mean normally internet forums get pretty far out there but seriously... lol. Idra's had real life psychiatrists. Unfortunately I'm afraid you don't understand what this disorder is or even the relevance (or lack thereof) to making the analogy that was made.
I'm just saying that neither are you qualified to dismiss anything on the basis of knowledge you don't have. Idra actually has personal problems which may or may not be psychiatric that requires attention from his friends and social circle, what ever they are ain't our business.
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It seems Idra always brings the armchair psychiatrists to TL. First they diagnosed him with Asperger's, and now they are telling the fans of Idra they have Stockholm Syndrome.
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Good riddance imo. Haven't been able to stand Idra's attitude since BW. But I do hope he can find some happiness in life, because it's clearly not coming from SC anymore (if it ever did).
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Even bigger picture is the effect this will have on other players who think they are special cookies too and would like to make their careers within professional teams by BMing opponents and insulting the fans.
I have no doubt what is going on through some of the heads right now. Whenever some of these players sit by the rig to play and stream they will have to choose, every time, if they want to treat others with respect or give in to the craves and risk being kicked out of the team.
It is called the process of growing up. Nice to see industry is maturing.
Nevertheless, best of luck to the guy.
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On May 10 2013 14:12 Geneq wrote:
It seems Idra always brings the armchair psychiatrists to TL. First they diagnosed him with Asperger's, and now they are telling the fans of Idra they have Stockholm Syndrome.
this website has autism
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On May 10 2013 14:10 Toons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 14:05 ninazerg wrote:On May 10 2013 14:03 Qwyn wrote:
Look at the size of this thread.
Look at the weight - the power - that his comments hold.
I'm disappointed with you, EG. I can't help but say what I think. You released one of your most valuable assets, - arguably the core of your very team - a player who goes against the mold and says what he thinks logically, who acts consistently and has established himself as the greatest actor and antihero of this industry.
You just released the core character of your entire lineup - who has been with you since the beginning, because he said something that is no different from anything else he has said. He was not out of character. He was not out of line.
In a way, what Idra said was true. This community LOVES this sort of bullshit. It was bred for it, thrives on it. It needs it, because without it there can be no storylines worth remembering.
You took the easy way out . You made a decision which has lessened the character of your team, the charisma of your lineup, and the weight you hold in my mind.
To say that Idra is EG is not far off from the truth. I'm very disappointed with your decision Mr. Garfield. He wasn't with EG until SC2, up until that point, he talked shit to EG people constantly. The most valuable assets to EG are probably the people who win pro-games, like Stephano and DeMuslim. I agreed with some of your previous posts, until this. Idra made a fantastic point in amongst his 'bunch of fucks' comment. Paraphrased: 'Being successful (financially) in the Esports industry is, at most, tangentially related to being the best player'. Sucks that this overall point will be lost.
If IdrA is the highest-paid player in the world, that would just be a travesty and an insult to everyone who plays SC2 at a very high level to win tournaments.
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