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Thorin
601 Posts
On May 01 2013 06:19 Acertos wrote: It's just because they are asians and are hard to reach (just guessing I didn't follow BW). They aren't rly considered as foreigners it seems. It was pretty difficult to get news/info about Asian BW, outside of the Korean scene, back in the day. Especially in comparison to NA and EU. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On April 30 2013 06:17 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Oh god, the B-word has been said. I think Nony has something to say about that... | ||
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fash_ric
England8 Posts
On May 01 2013 06:33 mk.ultra wrote: I love watching Idra's stream because 1. I am a Zerg player and 2. It is absolutely hilarious. Idk if you could call me a "fan" though. A couple days ago he was matched vs coLqxc and he says in his super dry tone: "Well, looks like all the shitty annoying players logged on at the same time today." I was literally laughing out loud. Why? What's funny about that? | ||
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YumYumGranola
Canada346 Posts
Well you've put him in a hard spot because it's kind of like explaining why one liners from Superbad or the Hangover are funny. The words themselves aren't funny, it's all in the delivery. Love him or hate him, IdrA has pretty good delivery on his insults. Personally I watch his stream for the times when he commentates. Between the balance whines etc. he actually does a very good job explaining what's going on. It's definitely one of the more informative streams I've seen. That and I also like watching him for the times he does well. It's like cheering for the Raiders. | ||
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Chessz
United States644 Posts
On May 01 2013 06:33 mk.ultra wrote: I love watching Idra's stream because 1. I am a Zerg player and 2. It is absolutely hilarious. Idk if you could call me a "fan" though. A couple days ago he was matched vs coLqxc and he says in his super dry tone: "Well, looks like all the shitty annoying players logged on at the same time today." I was literally laughing out loud. I'm trying to figure out if you are going for the ironic sarcasm with this post.. but yea, to me. IdrA saying something like that is the epitome of irony and pitiful behavior | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:55 Aveng3r wrote: all your credibility went right down the toilet after the first sentence, bud. Not that the rest of your post does anything to help your cause. i dont know if are familiar with foreign broodwar around 2009, but to say Idra was a foreign bonjwa is probably as wrong as saying he was utter crap. Its very much the point that Idra tried to win by pure macro game, didnt apply a lot of gamesense. He also quitted unnecessary like he still does today. On April 30 2013 07:17 bgx wrote: In topics like that (discussing foreigner strenght after BW end) So far i never, ever saw anyone gave credit to players like LX or PJ for what they did. Any foreigner discussion is mostly swept with Idra chant and here and there Nony. i agree and want to add without claiming completion: Mondragon, Infernal BratOk, Android, Strelok, White-RA, F91, mistrezz, Draco.. yeah and a lot more i dont recall now^^ But from those gamers none stands back to Idra to me. Broodwar really had no really dominant foreign player for a long time that would justify any bonjwa term. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:25 Wuster wrote: I heard a term used to describe really talented players who didn't live up to their potential: 'Loves to play the game, more than he loves to win.' Obviously this isn't why all talented players underachieve; but I think it applies to Idra in a way. If you watch pro sports / competition often the win at all costs attitude leads to them using strategies / game plans that you just wouldn't see between a bunch of guys playing for fun. Of course what is 'playing the game' versus 'playing to win' is subjective; but I think that describes Idra's approach towards the game. In a way it would be admirable if not for the other side of Idra. His disregard for opponents that play to win / appear weaker than him. It's why he got a reputation for not backing up his talk (look at all those quotes right before he gets crushed in important matches!). Even in the TSL 3 preview for Idra - Cruncher; Chill basically said Idra can't understand what a player like Cruncher is and that's why he'll lose. It was a little tongue in cheek, but I still think that describes Idra's blindspot pretty well. Of course, Idra did get legitimately screwed by the early GSL map pool too (close positions, no neutral depot Metal / close positions back door rocks Shakuras / Jungle Basin in his Bo5 against Jinro). So I wonder what his reputation / career would look like if he had played on better maps (not saying he would have beat Jinro, but it would have been a better series for sure). Idra voluntarily left Korea, I think after at least some of those maps were gone. | ||
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Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
I still watch idra play from time to time because a part of me hopes that he will perform as well as he used to in the early days of sc2, when he was the favourite to win vs. foreigners and a real threat against any korean he went up against. Unfortunately those thoughts are not grounded in reality. | ||
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MrSourGit
England135 Posts
I think IdrA could be a lot better if he actually learnt to fking engage at the right time/position , I'm no pro but fk me some of the fights he takes are just game ending there and then .... His macro was second to none (when I 1st watched his stream about a year ago) , now he seems to have 1k mins just past lair often and any harass and he doesn't tech up behind and ends up over producing and stuff , maybe it happened before and I just didn't notice it coz I didn't know the game ...... I would love to see him win something , but can't see it happening , ever..... I hope the WCs prove me wrong though. | ||
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BillClinton
232 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:25 Wuster wrote: I heard a term used to describe really talented players who didn't live up to their potential: 'Loves to play the game, more than he loves to win.' Obviously this isn't why all talented players underachieve; but I think it applies to Idra in a way. If you watch pro sports / competition often the win at all costs attitude leads to them using strategies / game plans that you just wouldn't see between a bunch of guys playing for fun. Of course what is 'playing the game' versus 'playing to win' is subjective; but I think that describes Idra's approach towards the game. In a way it would be admirable if not for the other side of Idra. His disregard for opponents that play to win / appear weaker than him. It's why he got a reputation for not backing up his talk (look at all those quotes right before he gets crushed in important matches!). Even in the TSL 3 preview for Idra - Cruncher; Chill basically said Idra can't understand what a player like Cruncher is and that's why he'll lose. It was a little tongue in cheek, but I still think that describes Idra's blindspot pretty well. Of course, Idra did get legitimately screwed by the early GSL map pool too (close positions, no neutral depot Metal / close positions back door rocks Shakuras / Jungle Basin in his Bo5 against Jinro). So I wonder what his reputation / career would look like if he had played on better maps (not saying he would have beat Jinro, but it would have been a better series for sure). I think its the opposite, he forgot to love the game and is trying too hard. If I was his coach I would give him the book " The Inner Game Of Tennis" from T.Gallwey, its a psychological approach to competitive sports of all kinds. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
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YumYumGranola
Canada346 Posts
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mk.ultra
United States54 Posts
On May 01 2013 10:45 fash_ric wrote: Why? What's funny about that? His delivery is just so dry. Every time he says "this guy is just bad/this guy is terrible/this guy is horrible/yeah actually this guys just bad" I get a kick, never gets old :D Obviously he's almost always wrong, but the fact that he thinks he is infallible is funny. And when he does well and commentates I learn something, so it's a win/win for me. Question for you: [image blocked] | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On May 01 2013 15:52 Lonyo wrote: Idra voluntarily left Korea, I think after at least some of those maps were gone. Actually, the Bo5 with Jinro was the very last series he played in Korea. Also, I forgot to mention what if Jinro's booth was properly soundproofed in that series (he probably would have won anyways since map 5 was Lost Temple). On May 01 2013 20:47 BillClinton wrote: I think its the opposite, he forgot to love the game and is trying too hard. If I was his coach I would give him the book " The Inner Game Of Tennis" from T.Gallwey, its a psychological approach to competitive sports of all kinds. I agree; it probably applies more to what got him into BW and how he tried to apply it in SC2 (which in the early days was very, very far from a macro oriented game). It's an interesting point you bring up though; since it looked like Idra was going to make a comback when he won IEM Guangzhou and EG was talking about how they were emphasizing sports psychology inside the team house. | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
On May 02 2013 04:04 mk.ultra wrote: His delivery is just so dry. Every time he says "this guy is just bad/this guy is terrible/this guy is horrible/yeah actually this guys just bad" I get a kick, never gets old :D Obviously he's almost always wrong, but the fact that he thinks he is infallible is funny. And when he does well and commentates I learn something, so it's a win/win for me. Question for you: [image blocked] I respect his gameplay and in game knowledge, but really his commentary is just horrible. It's just the monosyllabic rambling of a stereotypical antisocial gamer. I really do not find this appealing and fail to understand how others find this appealing also as mostly in life people try to avoid/not bother with such characters. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 02 2013 06:31 Swift118 wrote: I respect his gameplay and in game knowledge, but really his commentary is just horrible. It's just the monosyllabic rambling of a stereotypical antisocial gamer. I really do not find this appealing and fail to understand how others find this appealing also as mostly in life people try to avoid/not bother with such characters. Uh when he commentates and isn't angry but actually commentating it's really well because he knows what he's talking about. When he just commentates but is angry or something then yeah I can kinda see what you are saying but when he actually commentates it's really good. When a player is commentating their play, they aren't trying to be casters, they aren't trying to be entertaining they are just providing knowledge which is what idra does. He's not looking to be like cats/dragon/etc who sing and other stuff to entertain the audience in that way, he gives information. | ||
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skylarr
Canada209 Posts
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
If I would rank players on how much respect I have for them. I would probably rank IdrA #1. Flash #2. IdrA is a really intelligent person. I doubt many people disagree with me on that. Funny thing is that a lot of intelligent people tend to have anger management problems, or just have short fuses. | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
On May 06 2013 02:23 llIH wrote: I also agree that IdrA does not stream in an entertaining way. But that isn't bad at all. I actually appreciate the information he provides and the "no bullshit" kind of style. Although I really dislike it when he rages and keeps quitting games over and over. I wish he could stop looking at cheese as something bad/wrong and more of a typical strategy. If I would rank players on how much respect I have for them. I would probably rank IdrA #1. Flash #2. IdrA is a really intelligent person. I doubt many people disagree with me on that. Funny thing is that a lot of intelligent people tend to have anger management problems, or just have short fuses. I think a lot of people have short fuses, regardless of intelligence. | ||
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