EPTIdrA - The Long Road to Korea - Page 6
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
'Loves to play the game, more than he loves to win.' Obviously this isn't why all talented players underachieve; but I think it applies to Idra in a way. If you watch pro sports / competition often the win at all costs attitude leads to them using strategies / game plans that you just wouldn't see between a bunch of guys playing for fun. Of course what is 'playing the game' versus 'playing to win' is subjective; but I think that describes Idra's approach towards the game. In a way it would be admirable if not for the other side of Idra. His disregard for opponents that play to win / appear weaker than him. It's why he got a reputation for not backing up his talk (look at all those quotes right before he gets crushed in important matches!). Even in the TSL 3 preview for Idra - Cruncher; Chill basically said Idra can't understand what a player like Cruncher is and that's why he'll lose. It was a little tongue in cheek, but I still think that describes Idra's blindspot pretty well. Of course, Idra did get legitimately screwed by the early GSL map pool too (close positions, no neutral depot Metal / close positions back door rocks Shakuras / Jungle Basin in his Bo5 against Jinro). So I wonder what his reputation / career would look like if he had played on better maps (not saying he would have beat Jinro, but it would have been a better series for sure). | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:24 Emzeeshady wrote: Stephano took all his stream customers away :p I agree. Remember when idra had 10k+ tuning in? Now his other EG counterparts have more viewers than him. One can only watch a negative nancy for so long, his gimmick is not long term. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
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frontline-
Bulgaria281 Posts
The kid never got that pure macro doesn't win you games. You need micro,strategy and a good execution. The attention IdrA gets just proves how terrible and picky this community is. Every other person would be laughed off and ignored till the rest of his life for a behaviour such as his. Yet somehow he gets a pass and is put on some kind of pedestal while being terrible at this game and towards everyone in the community. Instead of supporting players who actually are mannered/good and have the right attitude to move forward, people decide to support this black hole who sucks the life out of everything. IdrA should definitely get a life instead of bitching 10 years straight, because he doesn't want to accept the fact that he is terrible at what he does. Also the people in this community should get smarter, because they fuck shit up by granting the wrong people attention, which hurts the whole image of the 'sport'. | ||
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Riquiz
Netherlands402 Posts
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:46 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote: He sucked before just like he does now. The kid never got that pure macro doesn't win you games. You need micro,strategy and a good execution. The attention IdrA gets just proves how terrible and picky this community is. Every other person would be laughed off and ignored till the rest of his life for a behaviour such as his. Yet somehow he gets a pass and is put on some kind of pedestal while being terrible at this game and towards everyone in the community. Instead of supporting players who actually are mannered/good and have the right attitude to move forward, people decide to support this black hole who sucks the life out of everything. IdrA should definitely get a life instead of bitching 10 years straight, because he doesn't want to accept the fact that he is terrible at what he does. Also the people in this community should get smarter, because they fuck shit up by granting the wrong people attention, which hurts the whole image of the 'sport'. all your credibility went right down the toilet after the first sentence, bud. Not that the rest of your post does anything to help your cause. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:46 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote: He sucked before just like he does now. The kid never got that pure macro doesn't win you games. You need micro,strategy and a good execution. The attention IdrA gets just proves how terrible and picky this community is. Every other person would be laughed off and ignored till the rest of his life for a behaviour such as his. Yet somehow he gets a pass and is put on some kind of pedestal while being terrible at this game and towards everyone in the community. Instead of supporting players who actually are mannered/good and have the right attitude to move forward, people decide to support this black hole who sucks the life out of everything. IdrA should definitely get a life instead of bitching 10 years straight, because he doesn't want to accept the fact that he is terrible at what he does. Also the people in this community should get smarter, because they fuck shit up by granting the wrong people attention, which hurts the whole image of the 'sport'. i also wonder why idra fans are idra fans. i'm a boxer fan for the obvious reasons (determination, attitude, mannerism) and a lot of people look up to him from casuals to pros. idra is the total exact opposite of this image boxer and yet he has just as many fans. i wonder how thats possible because idra has the opposite attributes to boxer, things i dislike in people. so i wonder if idra fans are idra fans for his bm and jokes, and not as a player. and if as a player, why? everyone varies i guess, i'm a type a guy that'd prefer 5 B-Teamers with good attitude rather than 5 of arrogant asshole A-Teamers (if i were to have a team). i'm sure many will disagree. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:46 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote: He sucked before just like he does now. The kid never got that pure macro doesn't win you games. You need micro,strategy and a good execution. The attention IdrA gets just proves how terrible and picky this community is. Every other person would be laughed off and ignored till the rest of his life for a behaviour such as his. Yet somehow he gets a pass and is put on some kind of pedestal while being terrible at this game and towards everyone in the community. Instead of supporting players who actually are mannered/good and have the right attitude to move forward, people decide to support this black hole who sucks the life out of everything. IdrA should definitely get a life instead of bitching 10 years straight, because he doesn't want to accept the fact that he is terrible at what he does. Also the people in this community should get smarter, because they fuck shit up by granting the wrong people attention, which hurts the whole image of the 'sport'. Funny, "black hole who sucks the life out of everything" is a very apt description of yourself. It absolutely amazes me that someone like you can write a long-winded, hate driven diatribe and then have the audacity to blame other people for hurting the community. | ||
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ImperialFist
790 Posts
On May 01 2013 06:02 WolfintheSheep wrote: Funny, "black hole who sucks the life out of everything" is a very apt description of yourself. It absolutely amazes me that someone like you can write a long-winded, hate driven diatribe and then have the audacity to blame other people for hurting the community. well he's got a point | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On April 30 2013 07:17 bgx wrote: In topics like that (discussing foreigner strenght after BW end) So far i never, ever saw anyone gave credit to players like LX or PJ for what they did. Any foreigner discussion is mostly swept with Idra chant and here and there Nony. Just out of curiosity where would Sen have fit into this discussion? Day[9] always talked up Sen's BW awesomeness, but other than that, I usually didn't hear him much discussed in the context of foreign BW. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On May 01 2013 06:13 Wuster wrote: Just out of curiosity where would Sen have fit into this discussion? Day[9] always talked up Sen's BW awesomeness, but other than that, I usually didn't hear him much discussed in the context of foreign BW. It's just because they are asians and are hard to reach (just guessing I didn't follow BW). They aren't rly considered as foreigners it seems. | ||
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mk.ultra
United States54 Posts
On May 01 2013 05:58 jinorazi wrote: i also wonder why idra fans are idra fans. i'm a boxer fan for the obvious reasons (determination, attitude, mannerism) and a lot of people look up to him from casuals to pros. idra is the total exact opposite of this image boxer and yet he has just as many fans. i wonder how thats possible because idra has the opposite attributes to boxer, things i dislike in people. so i wonder if idra fans are idra fans for his bm and jokes, and not as a player. and if as a player, why? everyone varies i guess, i'm a type a guy that'd prefer 5 B-Teamers with good attitude rather than 5 of arrogant asshole A-Teamers (if i were to have a team). i'm sure many will disagree. I love watching Idra's stream because 1. I am a Zerg player and 2. It is absolutely hilarious. Idk if you could call me a "fan" though. A couple days ago he was matched vs coLqxc and he says in his super dry tone: "Well, looks like all the shitty annoying players logged on at the same time today." I was literally laughing out loud. | ||
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jment
Austria68 Posts
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dicex
127 Posts
Also, he still manages to take town some of the strongest players (see the 2:0s against RoRo and Stephano at WCS). But sometimes you cannot help but wonder how good he would be with a mindset towards the game like many of the korean players have... | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On May 01 2013 06:13 Wuster wrote: Just out of curiosity where would Sen have fit into this discussion? Day[9] always talked up Sen's BW awesomeness, but other than that, I usually didn't hear him much discussed in the context of foreign BW. Sen dominated most of the Taiwanese/Chinese scene when he was active, and was in that group of foreigners who were considered great, but not the best. He did well in the first TSL too, after he un-retired himself | ||
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MrGh0st
United States35 Posts
IdrA is notorious for his incredibly anti-social behavior and poor sportsmanship. He is also notorious because, despite this, he's amazing at SC2. Am I reading this correctly in that he put in 12 hours a day, every day, for how ever many months were required? If so, can someone verify whether or not people like IdrA here really deserve any sort of following? What I mean by this is; how many people here on the TL forums could get into the "pro" scene if they were able to play Starcraft 2 for 12 hours a day? If more and more of us were able to quit our actual jobs and skip our families for a few months, how many of us would be able to compete in the pro scene? Is it fair to say that [x] number of hours = [level] of skill? I would imagine after breaking through the brick wall/crossing the bridge/whatever idiom you can think of, it would just require practice at that point? Again, I'm just looking for a professional response to this question, not so much as to start a debate about skill vs practice/ETC... | ||
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Inimic
Canada153 Posts
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