• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:29
CEST 20:29
KST 03:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down12ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League55Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
SCHNAIL now supports Remastered BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Young Players Tournament Announced by SOOP BW General Discussion Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4 [$1250] International ShieldBattery League
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9502 users

IdrA - The Long Road to Korea - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Beirut
Profile Joined January 2011
United States673 Posts
April 29 2013 23:44 GMT
#61
On April 30 2013 06:59 Whatson wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=foreigners suck

Every-time somebody mentions Idra and KeSPA in the same sentence, I feel the need to bring this out
Specifically Foreigners Suck #2 and Foreigners Still Suck


Wow I've been lurking here for years (remember this show match really well) and I've never seen these threads haha. These are fantastic, especially "Foreigners Still Suck" ahhah
rawrx
Profile Joined February 2006
United States380 Posts
April 30 2013 00:08 GMT
#62
On April 30 2013 07:17 bgx wrote:
To be less biased maybe lets give some credit to Chinese aswell?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Lx

taking games off BoxeR, Kingdom and iloveoov
Defeated BoxeR during CKCG 2005.
Defeated Bisu in IEF 2007.
All-Killed the STX Team (Tossgirl, July and Bogus) in the Losers Bracket of STX Invitational 2010 before losing to Trap 2-3 in the finals.

The language barrier existed aswell :
Show nested quote +
During a Chinese interview after departing from SK Telecom T1, Lx said the inability to participate in intricate strategic discussions and mentoring due to language barriers was his greatest problem during his progaming life in Korea. Lx said his skilled improved drastically when he began training in the pro house and used to beat Fantasy and BeSt at a regular basis. However after a while he felt a stagnation of his progress and skill while Fantasy continued to improve due to mentoring. Lx mentioned that his skill would've progressed a lot further and would most likely stay in Korea if he had learned the Korean language.


In topics like that (discussing foreigner strenght after BW end) So far i never, ever saw anyone gave credit to players like LX or PJ for what they did. Any foreigner discussion is mostly swept with Idra chant and here and there Nony.


i agree pj/lx were byfar the best non-koreans during the bw era- however chinese weren't typically included in the "foreigner" discussion due to the fact that their lifestyles were very similar to that of professional korean players. being a long time idra fan, he was absolutely incredible during his prime- however the one foreigner that was really remarkable towards the end imo was nony. there was a period of time where he seemed untouchable on any stage. i still remember his trip to korea competing in the tournament in efforts to legitimately attain a professional license and reaching further than any other foreigner. that in itself was a spectacle to remember
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
April 30 2013 00:14 GMT
#63
Very cool article. This makes me wish I was following Starcraft more closely in the heyday of Idra.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
April 30 2013 00:22 GMT
#64
On April 30 2013 06:12 Tigi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 06:03 5ukkub wrote:
And Draco, NoNy, Ret etc.

IdrA stayed the longest, that's all...

No it's exactly the opposite. The reason because Draco,NoNy and Ret etc didn't stay in Korea for long, was because they weren't able to put in the effort that was required and that Idra was able to bring in. They could not keep up to the incredibly hard training schedule in the pro houses and the unkown and thus for sure uncomfortable enviroment and this is why Idra is named here as the one that was dedicated most among those people. (Realize that this statement has nothing to do with the skill level of these people)
Nony said he had no problem with the practice, his reason for leaving was that he couldnt handle emotionally being away from his gf [now wife].
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Deleted User 45772
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
339 Posts
April 30 2013 00:38 GMT
#65
--- Nuked ---
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
April 30 2013 00:40 GMT
#66
On April 30 2013 06:28 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 06:23 MstrJinbo wrote:
On April 30 2013 06:18 BoggieMan wrote:
I really admire idras mechanicaly macro focused style, too bad he isen't doing so well in sc2 as he was in bw...


He's actually had more success I think. Won an mlg, ipl, iem, asus ROG and several other events.


yeah people are quick to say he hasn't been successful, when there are maybe 2 players with more titles in the foreign scene (huk, stephano)

yep, they're a long time ago (ESPORT-time) , but so is most of foreign success


http://www.sc2earnings.com/?limit=50&region=oceania,americas,europe
List of the Most successful foreigners. Stephano, Mana, Nerchio, Naniwa, and Thorzain are top 5.
Long live the Boss Toss!
Diaresta
Profile Joined February 2012
United States597 Posts
April 30 2013 00:52 GMT
#67
Great article! Being someone who didn't follow Brood War, it's really awesome to read about the history behind current sc2 players
@Diaresta Huk//Jaedong//Taeja ★EGTL★ ♥Stephano♥ | "Agent 3154, welcome back."
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 01:03:05
April 30 2013 00:59 GMT
#68
On April 30 2013 06:12 Tigi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 06:03 5ukkub wrote:
And Draco, NoNy, Ret etc.

IdrA stayed the longest, that's all...

No it's exactly the opposite. The reason because Draco,NoNy and Ret etc didn't stay in Korea for long, was because they weren't able to put in the effort that was required and that Idra was able to bring in. They could not keep up to the incredibly hard training schedule in the pro houses and the unkown and thus for sure uncomfortable enviroment and this is why Idra is named here as the one that was dedicated most among those people. (Realize that this statement has nothing to do with the skill level of these people)


Draco, NoNy, Ret etc came back because they had homes and families to come back to. They just felt lonely and unhappy.
IdrA was rejected by his father...
Maybe he had no place to go besides CJ team house.
First year of SC2 he had some success playing in foreigner packed tournaments and after some time his passion/motivation vanished... We now have a ghost of a former player with dull and poor future of streaming career ahead...
Not mentioning his narrowminded thought process and annoying BM that was/is and will be the mark of
IdrA, the failed foreigner bonjwa.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 01:14:34
April 30 2013 01:14 GMT
#69
The foreign bonjwa indeed.
And now he's but a glorified Dragon :D, except more of his fans tune in to see him lose on stream, and not troll people in gold league.

I still hope IdrA comes back one day, but that seems a little far-fetched.
sc_a.M
Profile Joined April 2013
420 Posts
April 30 2013 01:16 GMT
#70
On April 30 2013 09:59 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 06:12 Tigi wrote:
On April 30 2013 06:03 5ukkub wrote:
And Draco, NoNy, Ret etc.

IdrA stayed the longest, that's all...

No it's exactly the opposite. The reason because Draco,NoNy and Ret etc didn't stay in Korea for long, was because they weren't able to put in the effort that was required and that Idra was able to bring in. They could not keep up to the incredibly hard training schedule in the pro houses and the unkown and thus for sure uncomfortable enviroment and this is why Idra is named here as the one that was dedicated most among those people. (Realize that this statement has nothing to do with the skill level of these people)


Draco, NoNy, Ret etc came back because they had homes and families to come back to. They just felt lonely and unhappy.
IdrA was rejected by his father...
Maybe he had no place to go besides CJ team house.
First year of SC2 he had some success playing in foreigner packed tournaments and after some time his passion/motivation vanished... We now have a ghost of a former player with dull and poor future of streaming career ahead...
Not mentioning his narrowminded thought process and annoying BM that was/is and will be the mark of
IdrA, the failed foreigner bonjwa.


instead of learning how to marcro he should have learned a professional approach to the game, but he was never willing to do so, that's why foreigners with much less practice still managed to beat him (not to speak of koreans).

he is like the old flash that went 14cc no matter what. Flash realized that early pressure and marine micro is a much greater way of proving skill, instead of just building scv's. Idrea refuses to acknowledge that.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 01:42:31
April 30 2013 01:41 GMT
#71
Idra was good. Terrible attitude these days. :/
Long live the Boss Toss!
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
April 30 2013 01:45 GMT
#72
Idra has a low tolerance for BS and this can make him act like a total bastard, yet I really would like to see him do well again. Sometime I think he would benefit more from a good psychiatrist then he does grinding practice time.

I know it's near impossible but just image Idra winning WSC! haha
KimJongIlJr
Profile Joined August 2011
Korea (North)61 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 06:22:47
April 30 2013 06:19 GMT
#73
Not a bad article, but I found the glossing over regarding obtaining his progaming license disappointing.

Never would have gotten his progaming license if it wasn't gifted to him by SDM, unless of course one believes he could have won a Courage tournament.

And pigs fly. So do F-91s.
This space for rent
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
April 30 2013 06:23 GMT
#74
On April 30 2013 10:41 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Idra was good. Terrible attitude these days. :/


I don't really think his attitude is a problem, and it hasn't changed since then. I mean like, how could we forget the famous "useful skill toi have" response to carriers. He speaks his mind and sometimes vents after a frustrating loss, pretty much the same.
dreaming of a sunny day
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 06:48:32
April 30 2013 06:47 GMT
#75
His attitude is most definitely a problem.

Leaving games before they are lost.
Refusing to change his play.
Complaining about everyone else all the time rather than acknowledging what his own actual weaknesses are (he may say "I should have done this and this" but that's not the root of the problem).

He has a negative attitude towards his opponents and towards the game, how can that not be a problem?
He used to be good because he had some skills and others weren't at the same level as him in those areas (e.g. macro). Everyone else has now caught up and surpassed him in the areas he was strong, and those people are also strong in other areas. Idra hasn't really developed in those other areas.

You can't blame only Idra, he's been on EG for years, living now in their team house, and they seem to have done nothing to help him overcome his weaknesses, and are happy to let him sit there and be known as the "bad boy".
Soon enough he will just be known as "bad and a douche".
HOLY CHECK!
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
April 30 2013 06:49 GMT
#76
I disagree he was the best non-Korean player in 2009. There were Chinese and Taiwanese players better than him.
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
April 30 2013 07:09 GMT
#77
O god so much history. How many of you knew this stuff before reading?
MrTortoise
Profile Joined January 2011
1388 Posts
April 30 2013 07:28 GMT
#78
omg that other thread is amazing ... in fact they all are

I really MISS the internet from those fays people said what they thought and noone thought much of it. - because its only words.

much <3
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
April 30 2013 07:28 GMT
#79
On April 30 2013 16:09 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
O god so much history. How many of you knew this stuff before reading?

I think a lot of people here who followed BW knew a lot of this.
Dools1337
Profile Joined March 2012
France27 Posts
April 30 2013 08:24 GMT
#80
Does anyone remember Elky aswell ? He was pretty ahead of his time.
Je vadrouille à travers les jours comme une putain dans un monde sans trottoir
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IntoTheTV X SOOP
01:00
Group B Replay Cast
TaKeTV 249
Big Brain Bouts
01:00
#131
RotterdaM810
TKL 182
Liquipedia
OSC
23:30
5000
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 819
TKL 182
UpATreeSC 84
BRAT_OK 71
JuggernautJason59
EmSc Tv 29
MindelVK 10
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21950
Shuttle 627
Mini 454
ProTech147
Dewaltoss 137
firebathero 105
Mind 96
Trap 50
Hyun 47
soO 27
[ Show more ]
HiyA 16
Yoon 13
Dota 2
Gorgc10073
qojqva2090
monkeys_forever167
League of Legends
Doublelift2128
JimRising 470
Counter-Strike
fl0m1447
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0160
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby2669
Liquid`Hasu313
Other Games
singsing1658
FrodaN856
mouzStarbuck370
B2W.Neo171
KnowMe119
Trikslyr63
QueenE46
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1192
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 29
EmSc2Tv 29
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 69
• 3DClanTV 33
• Adnapsc2 17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix11
• Michael_bg 8
• iopq 5
• Pr0nogo 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos3056
• Nemesis3012
• Scarra651
Other Games
• Shiphtur514
• imaqtpie429
• WagamamaTV350
Upcoming Events
FEL
14h 31m
Patches Events
18h 31m
AI Arena Tournament
22h 31m
FEL
1d 15h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 15h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.