Every-time somebody mentions Idra and KeSPA in the same sentence, I feel the need to bring this out Specifically Foreigners Suck #2 and Foreigners Still Suck
Wow I've been lurking here for years (remember this show match really well) and I've never seen these threads haha. These are fantastic, especially "Foreigners Still Suck" ahhah
taking games off BoxeR, Kingdom and iloveoov Defeated BoxeR during CKCG 2005. Defeated Bisu in IEF 2007. All-Killed the STX Team (Tossgirl, July and Bogus) in the Losers Bracket of STX Invitational 2010 before losing to Trap 2-3 in the finals.
During a Chinese interview after departing from SK Telecom T1, Lx said the inability to participate in intricate strategic discussions and mentoring due to language barriers was his greatest problem during his progaming life in Korea. Lx said his skilled improved drastically when he began training in the pro house and used to beat Fantasy and BeSt at a regular basis. However after a while he felt a stagnation of his progress and skill while Fantasy continued to improve due to mentoring. Lx mentioned that his skill would've progressed a lot further and would most likely stay in Korea if he had learned the Korean language.
In topics like that (discussing foreigner strenght after BW end) So far i never, ever saw anyone gave credit to players like LX or PJ for what they did. Any foreigner discussion is mostly swept with Idra chant and here and there Nony.
i agree pj/lx were byfar the best non-koreans during the bw era- however chinese weren't typically included in the "foreigner" discussion due to the fact that their lifestyles were very similar to that of professional korean players. being a long time idra fan, he was absolutely incredible during his prime- however the one foreigner that was really remarkable towards the end imo was nony. there was a period of time where he seemed untouchable on any stage. i still remember his trip to korea competing in the tournament in efforts to legitimately attain a professional license and reaching further than any other foreigner. that in itself was a spectacle to remember
On April 30 2013 06:03 5ukkub wrote: And Draco, NoNy, Ret etc.
IdrA stayed the longest, that's all...
No it's exactly the opposite. The reason because Draco,NoNy and Ret etc didn't stay in Korea for long, was because they weren't able to put in the effort that was required and that Idra was able to bring in. They could not keep up to the incredibly hard training schedule in the pro houses and the unkown and thus for sure uncomfortable enviroment and this is why Idra is named here as the one that was dedicated most among those people. (Realize that this statement has nothing to do with the skill level of these people)
Nony said he had no problem with the practice, his reason for leaving was that he couldnt handle emotionally being away from his gf [now wife].
On April 30 2013 06:18 BoggieMan wrote: I really admire idras mechanicaly macro focused style, too bad he isen't doing so well in sc2 as he was in bw...
He's actually had more success I think. Won an mlg, ipl, iem, asus ROG and several other events.
yeah people are quick to say he hasn't been successful, when there are maybe 2 players with more titles in the foreign scene (huk, stephano)
yep, they're a long time ago (ESPORT-time) , but so is most of foreign success
On April 30 2013 06:03 5ukkub wrote: And Draco, NoNy, Ret etc.
IdrA stayed the longest, that's all...
No it's exactly the opposite. The reason because Draco,NoNy and Ret etc didn't stay in Korea for long, was because they weren't able to put in the effort that was required and that Idra was able to bring in. They could not keep up to the incredibly hard training schedule in the pro houses and the unkown and thus for sure uncomfortable enviroment and this is why Idra is named here as the one that was dedicated most among those people. (Realize that this statement has nothing to do with the skill level of these people)
Draco, NoNy, Ret etc came back because they had homes and families to come back to. They just felt lonely and unhappy. IdrA was rejected by his father... Maybe he had no place to go besides CJ team house. First year of SC2 he had some success playing in foreigner packed tournaments and after some time his passion/motivation vanished... We now have a ghost of a former player with dull and poor future of streaming career ahead... Not mentioning his narrowminded thought process and annoying BM that was/is and will be the mark of IdrA, the failed foreigner bonjwa.
The foreign bonjwa indeed. And now he's but a glorified Dragon :D, except more of his fans tune in to see him lose on stream, and not troll people in gold league.
I still hope IdrA comes back one day, but that seems a little far-fetched.
On April 30 2013 06:03 5ukkub wrote: And Draco, NoNy, Ret etc.
IdrA stayed the longest, that's all...
No it's exactly the opposite. The reason because Draco,NoNy and Ret etc didn't stay in Korea for long, was because they weren't able to put in the effort that was required and that Idra was able to bring in. They could not keep up to the incredibly hard training schedule in the pro houses and the unkown and thus for sure uncomfortable enviroment and this is why Idra is named here as the one that was dedicated most among those people. (Realize that this statement has nothing to do with the skill level of these people)
Draco, NoNy, Ret etc came back because they had homes and families to come back to. They just felt lonely and unhappy. IdrA was rejected by his father... Maybe he had no place to go besides CJ team house. First year of SC2 he had some success playing in foreigner packed tournaments and after some time his passion/motivation vanished... We now have a ghost of a former player with dull and poor future of streaming career ahead... Not mentioning his narrowminded thought process and annoying BM that was/is and will be the mark of IdrA, the failed foreigner bonjwa.
instead of learning how to marcro he should have learned a professional approach to the game, but he was never willing to do so, that's why foreigners with much less practice still managed to beat him (not to speak of koreans).
he is like the old flash that went 14cc no matter what. Flash realized that early pressure and marine micro is a much greater way of proving skill, instead of just building scv's. Idrea refuses to acknowledge that.
Idra has a low tolerance for BS and this can make him act like a total bastard, yet I really would like to see him do well again. Sometime I think he would benefit more from a good psychiatrist then he does grinding practice time.
I know it's near impossible but just image Idra winning WSC! haha
On April 30 2013 10:41 mrRoflpwn wrote: Idra was good. Terrible attitude these days. :/
I don't really think his attitude is a problem, and it hasn't changed since then. I mean like, how could we forget the famous "useful skill toi have" response to carriers. He speaks his mind and sometimes vents after a frustrating loss, pretty much the same.
Leaving games before they are lost. Refusing to change his play. Complaining about everyone else all the time rather than acknowledging what his own actual weaknesses are (he may say "I should have done this and this" but that's not the root of the problem).
He has a negative attitude towards his opponents and towards the game, how can that not be a problem? He used to be good because he had some skills and others weren't at the same level as him in those areas (e.g. macro). Everyone else has now caught up and surpassed him in the areas he was strong, and those people are also strong in other areas. Idra hasn't really developed in those other areas.
You can't blame only Idra, he's been on EG for years, living now in their team house, and they seem to have done nothing to help him overcome his weaknesses, and are happy to let him sit there and be known as the "bad boy". Soon enough he will just be known as "bad and a douche".
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