EPTEvery-time somebody mentions Idra and KeSPA in the same sentence, I feel the need to bring this out
Specifically Foreigners Suck #2 and Foreigners Still Suck
IdrA - The Long Road to Korea - Page 3
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
Every-time somebody mentions Idra and KeSPA in the same sentence, I feel the need to bring this out Specifically Foreigners Suck #2 and Foreigners Still Suck | ||
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
On April 30 2013 06:23 MstrJinbo wrote: He's actually had more success I think. Won an mlg, ipl, iem, asus ROG and several other events. Ya he has had more success in sc2, big tournies and last 8 finishes in the highest caliber event. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On April 30 2013 06:40 Plexa wrote: There's no doubt that Idra was the strongest foreigner in the years leading up to SC2, but calling him a Bonjwa is probably too much. The fact he was unable to win a TSL despite being a favourite for both seasons really hurts any claim to 'bonjwa' status. There were also events like the showmatch against F91 which he lost 2-5 that were very public and detrimental to the image of an unbeatable foreigner. That said, it doesn't detract from the article nor should it detract from the fact that Idra was incredibly good at this game and is worthy of praise for his skill. + Show Spoiler [blast from the past] + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/broodsport_1/bannersmall.png) Yes, he was. Who knows, maybe with WCS he can shine again...after all I doubt even he would consider himself a favorite to advance from his group..so just maybe. @whatson, that is funny stuff, thx | ||
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Longtimer
490 Posts
On April 30 2013 06:12 Tigi wrote: The reason because Draco,NoNy and Ret etc didn't stay in Korea for long, was because they weren't able to put in the effort that was required and that Idra was able to bring in. This is only partly true, at least that's what I've heard. Ret obviously had problems outside of the practice regimen; he wasn't treated very well and if I remember correctly there was no translator in the Estro-house when he was there. I also think that Nony had some personal issues (he left very suddenly), but don't quote me on that. Idra is a hard worker, and he deserves praise for that, but I think you are selling both Ret and Nony short here. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On April 30 2013 06:59 Whatson wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=foreigners suck Every-time somebody mentions Idra and KeSPA in the same sentence, I feel the need to bring this out Specifically Foreigners Suck #2 and Foreigners Still Suck I am not trying to make this part of history disappear, if that's what you're saying. I do however feel like IdrA turned a lot of that image around throughout 2009, and showing him constantly taking games off of players like Trap, SangHo and even managing to beat someone like GoRush count for a lot, especially back then. This is only partly true, at least that's what I've heard. Ret obviously had problems outside of the practice regimen; he wasn't treated very well and if I remember correctly there was no translator in the Estro-house when he was there. I also think that Nony had some personal issues (he left very suddenly), but don't quote me on that. Idra is a hard worker, and he deserves praise for that, but I think you are selling both Ret and Nony short here. Ret definitely got the short end of the stick during his stay at eSTRO, afaik he was accused of selling replays from his team mates and got kicked, basically. Nony left Korea to get married. | ||
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Morphage
France492 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
foreigner bonjwa? lol no. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Lx taking games off BoxeR, Kingdom and iloveoov Defeated BoxeR during CKCG 2005. Defeated Bisu in IEF 2007. All-Killed the STX Team (Tossgirl, July and Bogus) in the Losers Bracket of STX Invitational 2010 before losing to Trap 2-3 in the finals. The language barrier existed aswell : During a Chinese interview after departing from SK Telecom T1, Lx said the inability to participate in intricate strategic discussions and mentoring due to language barriers was his greatest problem during his progaming life in Korea. Lx said his skilled improved drastically when he began training in the pro house and used to beat Fantasy and BeSt at a regular basis. However after a while he felt a stagnation of his progress and skill while Fantasy continued to improve due to mentoring. Lx mentioned that his skill would've progressed a lot further and would most likely stay in Korea if he had learned the Korean language. In topics like that (discussing foreigner strenght after BW end) So far i never, ever saw anyone gave credit to players like LX or PJ for what they did. Any foreigner discussion is mostly swept with Idra chant and here and there Nony. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On April 30 2013 07:09 Mensol wrote: As far i remember he lost against G5 in WCG USA. i will never forget it. foreigner bonjwa? lol no. I actually remember that too now, but TLPD doesn't have the game in question in the database. Was it during the 09 qualifier or some earlier year? | ||
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skiersteve
United Kingdom268 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On April 30 2013 07:18 skiersteve wrote: Instead of making this crappy thread why dont you go suck off idra I appreciate your input. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
Coupled with his overall dislike of the game, it seems as if he is never going to reach the same status he had in BW as it is near impossible to excel at something you don't like. This quote from the article stood out to me because, idra could be the best foreigner, he learned the tools from his time with estro and CJ, he clearly has a good understanding of the game, and great mechanics. But his mindset...the way he approaches the game. But if you don't like it you aren't going to get the best results or have the best mindset. The author hit the nail on the head. Hope the author does another one on other big figures in the scene, like incontrol,white-ra, nony ect. ect.ect. | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On April 30 2013 07:17 bgx wrote: To be less biased maybe lets give some credit to Chinese aswell? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Lx taking games off BoxeR, Kingdom and iloveoov Defeated BoxeR during CKCG 2005. Defeated Bisu in IEF 2007. All-Killed the STX Team (Tossgirl, July and Bogus) in the Losers Bracket of STX Invitational 2010 before losing to Trap 2-3 in the finals. The language barrier existed aswell : In topics like that (discussing foreigner strenght after BW end) So far i never, ever saw anyone gave credit to players like LX or PJ for what they did. Any foreigner discussion is mostly swept with Idra chant and here and there Nony. Pretty sure I remember an interview with Artosis where someone mentionned that PJ was by far the best foreigner at PvT and that the PvZ and PvP of Lx were much better than PJ's... Who was that again :p | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 30 2013 06:01 Jaaaaasper wrote: He wasn't the first non Korean in Korea to dedicate himself to the game. Why does everyone forget grrr? Grr won a freaking starleague, I think that earns him a bit more credit than the estro coach gave him. Yeah they talked about it , make and informed post by reading first silly ! | ||
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
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mtn
729 Posts
On April 30 2013 06:59 Whatson wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=foreigners suck Every-time somebody mentions Idra and KeSPA in the same sentence, I feel the need to bring this out Specifically Foreigners Suck #2 and Foreigners Still Suck LOL Thats sick, and accurate for Idra even today LOL | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
what the @#$%??? 7 of 14 tournaments in a span of 1 year, yeah, definitely a bonjwa | ||
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