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United States33454 Posts
Update: Ok I've been informed that the prelim date will be moved to some unspecific, non-clashing time
Thanks to Robin for helping me find this!
It seems that it went almost entirely unnoticed at the time, but the April 16th WCS Format announcement states that the WCS-AM Challenger League qualifier is on the 27th of April. That also happens to the final day of DreamHack Stockholm.
Image link of schedule/format: http://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/EFAUM8KBXM7Y1365812749410.jpg
There are a handful of players who are going to be playing in both tournaments, including HyuN, Jaedong, JYP, Center, and Zenio.
Due to the time zone difference between EU and NA it's probably technically possible for the players to do both in the same day, though it's not ideal conditions. But I wonder if there will be a reschedule on MLG's part to help accommodate for this clash?
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If I were a player in both I'd be hesitant to attempt to participate in both considering how the premier league qualifiers went. If it finishes early enough; however, I'd imagine unless you make it to the semis/finals you will have cpu access and free time.
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There probably should be a reschedule, but since Dreamhack's dates were known well in advance, I'll assume they knowingly scheduled it on top of DH due to a lack of time or whatever and said "deal with it".
Community will most likely be able to force a move if the cries are loud enough.
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I don't think it's necessary to reschedule a North American qualifier around an event which doesn't actually feature any North Americans. For the Koreans playing in both, this is just an occupational hazard of going to all of these events.
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I hate to wonder but do you think they did it on purpose?
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I think they just wanted to get it done before the Premier division starts, which is on April 29, but I dont see the harm in delaying it for this conflict since it's not like the Challenger Division starts right away as well.
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Is Hyun eligatible for play ? Wasn't he dq for both GSL and WCS NA.
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On April 22 2013 22:29 Wampaibist wrote:
I hate to wonder but do you think they did it on purpose?
The dates for Dreamhack have been known for a long time.
Would be nice to hear from MLG about their motives for causing this scheduling conflict.
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Well it would also affect incontrol who is hosting for dreamhack. I guess he could make it into challenger league potentially. How many spots will there be? 8? 16?
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On April 22 2013 22:32 JacobDaKung wrote:
Is Hyun eligatible for play ? Wasn't he dq for both GSL and WCS NA.
He can qualify for Challenger League. But since he already has a flight to Dreamhack and this date was sprung on him (and other players) before they made their region lock decision, he's pretty much forced to sit out an entire season making the road to Premier League even longer. The unfortunate souls who had their attendance at Dreamhack confirmed well in advance can't start earning real points until the final season just because they had to make a blind region choice since Blizzard decided to procrastinate in getting details out there.
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On April 22 2013 22:32 JacobDaKung wrote:
Is Hyun eligatible for play ? Wasn't he dq for both GSL and WCS NA.
he is eligible to attempt to qualify for NA Challenger League based on the season 1 exception.
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Haha cancel dreamhack :D
I doubt wcs qualifier count
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Austria24420 Posts
If Blizzard cancels DH because MLG fucked up, knowing when DH was scheduled for months, that would be the biggest disaster of them all.
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MLG will probably broadcast all the games from replay throughout the week anyways so the broadcast wont conflict with DH
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anyone really surprised ?
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On April 22 2013 22:33 HandleTaken wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 22:29 Wampaibist wrote:
I hate to wonder but do you think they did it on purpose? The dates for Dreamhack have been known for a long time. Would be nice to hear from MLG about their motives for causing this scheduling conflict.
Yeah, it's obviously a conspiracy to fuck DreamHack up. If anything, players are gonna prioritize DH, since they're already there.
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On April 22 2013 22:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
MLG will probably broadcast all the games from replay throughout the week anyways so the broadcast wont conflict with DH
This is a good point!
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I hope they do that because it will make a shitstorm like we never have seen before. Yes, I love drama.
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On April 22 2013 22:53 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 22:33 HandleTaken wrote:On April 22 2013 22:29 Wampaibist wrote:
I hate to wonder but do you think they did it on purpose? The dates for Dreamhack have been known for a long time. Would be nice to hear from MLG about their motives for causing this scheduling conflict. Yeah, it's obviously a conspiracy to fuck DreamHack up. If anything, players are gonna prioritize DH, since they're already there.
I fail to see how this hurt Dreamhack.
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On April 22 2013 22:55 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 22:53 howLiN wrote:On April 22 2013 22:33 HandleTaken wrote:On April 22 2013 22:29 Wampaibist wrote:
I hate to wonder but do you think they did it on purpose? The dates for Dreamhack have been known for a long time. Would be nice to hear from MLG about their motives for causing this scheduling conflict. Yeah, it's obviously a conspiracy to fuck DreamHack up. If anything, players are gonna prioritize DH, since they're already there. I fail to see how this hurt Dreamhack.
It doesn't, that's my point.
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Ban Sweden from Battle.net to cancel Dreamhack. The shitstorm would be endless
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On April 22 2013 22:53 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 22:33 HandleTaken wrote:On April 22 2013 22:29 Wampaibist wrote:
I hate to wonder but do you think they did it on purpose? The dates for Dreamhack have been known for a long time. Would be nice to hear from MLG about their motives for causing this scheduling conflict. Yeah, it's obviously a conspiracy to fuck DreamHack up. If anything, players are gonna prioritize DH, since they're already there.
I just meant that this scheduling conflict is the responsibilty of MLG.
If nothing else it is not nice to the players who ended up in the middle of this mess.
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well, this took a turn for the worst.
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On April 22 2013 22:56 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 22:55 nihlon wrote:On April 22 2013 22:53 howLiN wrote:On April 22 2013 22:33 HandleTaken wrote:On April 22 2013 22:29 Wampaibist wrote:
I hate to wonder but do you think they did it on purpose? The dates for Dreamhack have been known for a long time. Would be nice to hear from MLG about their motives for causing this scheduling conflict. Yeah, it's obviously a conspiracy to fuck DreamHack up. If anything, players are gonna prioritize DH, since they're already there. I fail to see how this hurt Dreamhack. It doesn't, that's my point.
If you were being sarcastic I don't get why you responded to the post you did.
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I'm pretty sure Qualifiers do not fall under the 'no major tournament may coincide blabla'. However, it does pose maybe a problem for players who want to qualify for WCS NA "Code A", and therefor have to pull off some crazy 20hr awake schedule to stay awake during the day @ DH, and then play the Challenger league qualifier at/during the night. Does not sound healthy or productive for the players involved.
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WCS qualifier games will be broadcasted on 27th of April. But will they be played this very day (as MLG broadcasts from replays) ?
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On April 22 2013 23:03 partouf wrote:
I'm pretty sure Qualifiers do not fall under the 'no major tournament may coincide blabla'. However, it does pose maybe a problem for players who want to qualify for WCS NA "Code A", and therefor have to pull off some crazy 20hr awake schedule to stay awake during the day @ DH, and then play the Challenger league qualifier at/during the night. Does not sound healthy or productive for the players involved.
EG players need to get back to Korea for Proleague so they probably can't participate at all. It sucks because they had to make blind region choices due to Blizzard's incompetence and now they won't have a chance to get to Premier League until season 3 and miss out on an entire season of Premier League points. They skipped Code A qualifiers for this crap because they probably assumed some sort of competence from Blizzard and the organizers.
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On April 22 2013 22:33 HandleTaken wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 22:29 Wampaibist wrote:
I hate to wonder but do you think they did it on purpose? The dates for Dreamhack have been known for a long time. Would be nice to hear from MLG about their motives for causing this scheduling conflict.
Are you crazy, mlg will never admit to doing anything wrong. Thats not their style 
It's fun to see the company with the most "bad will" collide with the company with the most "good will".
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On April 22 2013 22:32 JacobDaKung wrote:
Is Hyun eligatible for play ? Wasn't he dq for both GSL and WCS NA.
And another DQ from DH might make him eligible for GOLDEN DUCK trophy. (three time DQ (duck))
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Makes a good point 
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It will not happen. Blizzard has made some bad decisions in the past... but NO ONE... I repeat NO ONE at blizzard is stupid enough to even try and cancel a stacked Dreamhack like that for WCS AM Challenger qualifiers especially after the shit storm of the premier league qualifiers. Blizzard Cancelling DH would be suicide/murder of the Sc2 scene in NA really.
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Yea I am not delusional, there is no way that they would cancel dreamhack, my point was more towards the "worth it for the drama" part.
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Hmm, why does it always MLG events that are conflicting are causing scheduling conflicts?
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On April 22 2013 23:32 SayTT wrote:
Yea I am not delusional, there is no way that they would cancel dreamhack, my point was more towards the "worth it for the drama" part.
It would be worth it in trying to achieve the Guiness World Record in most posts / minute on an internet forum relative to a very short span of time :D! WE SHOULD GO FOR IT TL.
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Can't wait for DH btw
Yeah, this scheduling conflict is too hilarious to always occur with MLG / DreamHack. DreamHack announces their stuff 6 months ahead or something :D, how is it even possible!? Of course.. sometimes it just happens for other reasons... but yeah.
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another wcs kr online problem? the fun never ends... @_@
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On April 22 2013 23:29 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
It will not happen. Blizzard has made some bad decisions in the past... but NO ONE... I repeat NO ONE at blizzard is stupid enough to even try and cancel a stacked Dreamhack like that for WCS AM Challenger qualifiers especially after the shit storm of the premier league qualifiers. Blizzard Cancelling DH would be suicide/murder of the Sc2 scene in NA really.
Yeah, the only right thing to do is to move the Challenger qualifiers, really. Touching DH in any way is unjustifyable.
Or maybe auto-invite anyone in top X due to WCS Points if they want the spot instead of having them to qualify?
Everone not competing on Sunday finals can perhaps get some extra sleep before qualifiers? (unfortunately missing watching finals then, but still...)
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My only concern of that list you linked is that I'm not between the noteable participants... 
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Deamhack really likes competition with their dates, okay this time the other one put up their date in later. Who cares players had to do decisions like that before. Rain for example
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On April 22 2013 22:44 Liman wrote:wow another fuckup + Show Spoiler +didnt see that one coming :/
Well, I said from the start that anything that Blizzard touches regarding tournaments will go to shit. WCS EU was fine, but WCS NA was not.
Anyone remember the close spawns being allowed at Blizzcon... close spawns on Shattered Temple...
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Guys,seriously,what the hell.Nothing is going to happen to Dreamhack.Qualifiers don't count as a wcs event and i'm sure MLG and DH will find a way so all these players will be able to play both.
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On April 22 2013 23:41 WonnaPlay wrote:My only concern of that list you linked is that I'm not between the noteable participants...
Neither am I. I'm the only random player, too. Guaranteed best Random placement!
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On April 22 2013 23:43 FeyFey wrote:
Deamhack really likes competition with their dates, okay this time the other one put up their date in later. Who cares players had to do decisions like that before. Rain for example
Eh, conflicting schedules have been a rampant problem for years, it's not a problem that's specific to a single organizer.
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On April 22 2013 23:12 geokilla wrote:
One word: Capitalism.
Umm this is more like socialism...
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We'll, if we go by the broadcast schedule, Challenger will be over 16 days in May,
Which is the schedule Sundance tweeted:
. @SaintSnorlax @robertohlen @quantichyun @mlg Check posted schedule = no drama but that's no fun, is it? http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/wcs-america-season-1/ …
HOWEVER, we all know MLG loves to broadcast from replays, so a broadcast schedule really does absolutely no good in this situation....fix it, MLG.
IE. they could be broadcasting on those days, but since they broadcast from replays the games could of been played weeks before. - So we still have idea when they are actually played.
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I think this highlights one of the issues we could have in the future. GOM has always been as accommodating of other tournaments as possible when designing their schedules. MLG, on the other hand, not so much.
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On April 23 2013 00:30 Prplppleatr wrote:We'll, if we go by the broadcast schedule, Challenger will be over 16 days in May, Which is the schedule Sundance tweeted: . @SaintSnorlax @robertohlen @quantichyun @mlg Check posted schedule = no drama but that's no fun, is it? http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/wcs-america-season-1/ … HOWEVER, we all know MLG loves to broadcast from replays, so a broadcast schedule really does absolutely no good in this situation....fix it, MLG.
What Sundance posted is the Challenger League (Code A), if I understand it correctly.
But the scheduling conflict is with the qualifier to Code A.
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Well, MLG screwed up nearly everything else they possibly could concerning WCS NA so I am hardly surprised. No idea how they managed to become such a large organisation. Currently they look like they couldn't lead a squad of soldiers into a brothel.
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On April 23 2013 00:33 KingPaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 00:30 Prplppleatr wrote:We'll, if we go by the broadcast schedule, Challenger will be over 16 days in May, Which is the schedule Sundance tweeted: . @SaintSnorlax @robertohlen @quantichyun @mlg Check posted schedule = no drama but that's no fun, is it? http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/wcs-america-season-1/ … HOWEVER, we all know MLG loves to broadcast from replays, so a broadcast schedule really does absolutely no good in this situation....fix it, MLG. What Sundance posted is the Challenger League (Code A), if I understand it correctly. But the scheduling conflict is with the qualifier to Code A.
Ya, apparently he doesn't know much of anything, and neither do we! lol
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On April 23 2013 00:33 KingPaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 00:30 Prplppleatr wrote:We'll, if we go by the broadcast schedule, Challenger will be over 16 days in May, Which is the schedule Sundance tweeted: . @SaintSnorlax @robertohlen @quantichyun @mlg Check posted schedule = no drama but that's no fun, is it? http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/wcs-america-season-1/ … HOWEVER, we all know MLG loves to broadcast from replays, so a broadcast schedule really does absolutely no good in this situation....fix it, MLG. What Sundance posted is the Challenger League (Code A), if I understand it correctly. But the scheduling conflict is with the qualifier to Code A.
Yeah, I think Sundance realized that and deleted his tweet.
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Can we just make threads about what MLG does right instead? Might result in fewer threads.
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MLG and live broadcasts? That's a rare thing (insertKappahere)
I'm pretty sure its replays. Dont know why they would make players wait so long to play especially since a lot would have to fly to dreamhack a few days before (like tuesday are a lot of the player's flights).
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Well, it's been the afternoon for a while now, where's this morning statement Sundance was talking about? Is it just me who can't find it? Or is MLG still trying to figure out wtf to do.
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On April 23 2013 01:13 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 00:33 KingPaddy wrote:On April 23 2013 00:30 Prplppleatr wrote:We'll, if we go by the broadcast schedule, Challenger will be over 16 days in May, Which is the schedule Sundance tweeted: . @SaintSnorlax @robertohlen @quantichyun @mlg Check posted schedule = no drama but that's no fun, is it? http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/wcs-america-season-1/ … HOWEVER, we all know MLG loves to broadcast from replays, so a broadcast schedule really does absolutely no good in this situation....fix it, MLG. What Sundance posted is the Challenger League (Code A), if I understand it correctly. But the scheduling conflict is with the qualifier to Code A. Yeah, I think Sundance realized that and deleted his tweet.
Lol, i've never seen such an incompetant guy... he knows absolutely nothing about the biggest tourney his organization is supposed to host...seriously, does he believe he has nothing to prove anymore because Blizzard gave him WCS NA?
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United States33454 Posts
aight I've been told the MLG-WCS prelim will be moved
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On April 23 2013 05:07 Waxangel wrote:
aight I've been told the MLG-WCS prelim will be moved
That's great news!
One less thing to rage about.
My heart can't take much more of this anyway.
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It's seems that this is the qualifier (512 -> top8) for the qualifier (around top40 last time +top8qualifed -> top16).
The players in Dreamhack are mostly in the final qualifier for challenger league.
What a messy organisation and communication. I hope Comm and Macsed are already in the second qualifier. (Players like JD, Demuslim, Center are in the second qualifier).
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