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On April 22 2013 12:08 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:04 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On April 22 2013 12:00 Ercster wrote:
I really like how a lot of people are complaining about MLG for this, yet their rules, which the players should have read beforehand, clearly state that it's not okay to account share. If FruitsBaskets were to have asked the MLG admins if he could give his seed to Comm instead, they might have okay'd it and he would still be in. But since they didn't even say anything to either the players he played against or the staff, he deserved the dq. Maybe comm doesn't speak english.. Not MLG or Blizzards fault. If they can't read the rules, then they need to say something and get help. You're right, but to play devils advocate the rules should be available in a few different languages. This is an international competition.
To be fair, smurfing isn't a rule specific to MLG. It's a rule that's been around in Starcraft tournaments since early broodwar, and even without knowing this, it should be obvious anyways. It gives too big an advantage in a game where players play according to the opponents strengths, weaknesses, and playstyle. What Comm needed to do was inform each of his opponents beforehand.
I'm pretty sure Comm just wanted to play in the tournament, and it was not his intention to gain any advantage through smurfing, so I hope they can find a way to reinstate him.
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On April 22 2013 12:11 oneofthem wrote:
it's completely retarded to say, chinese players didn't read the rules, when your rules are not internationalized and the check-in time registration is obviously unfair because for some people in east asia and australia this means early in the morning and god knows what hectic scheduling, while twitch.tv platinum players are clicking away on the site.
but mlg's inexperience/mishandling of a non-NA exclusive tournament isn't that surprising. they had little time to prepare and organize. this does make blizzard's lack of any plan for non-korea asia and australia players all the worse.
All players outside of the Americas were told that if they wanted to play, they would have to deal with the problems associated with doing so. Which meant shitty times, rules not in their native language, etc.
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On April 22 2013 12:11 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:08 Klipsys wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On April 22 2013 12:00 Ercster wrote:
I really like how a lot of people are complaining about MLG for this, yet their rules, which the players should have read beforehand, clearly state that it's not okay to account share. If FruitsBaskets were to have asked the MLG admins if he could give his seed to Comm instead, they might have okay'd it and he would still be in. But since they didn't even say anything to either the players he played against or the staff, he deserved the dq. Maybe comm doesn't speak english.. Not MLG or Blizzards fault. If they can't read the rules, then they need to say something and get help. You're right, but to play devils advocate the rules should be available in a few different languages. This is an international competition. This is an American (North and South) tournament, so they should be written in the most common languages in that region (English and Spanish. Maybe Portuguese and French)
Ehhh. You should attempt to translate for your intended market if you want to run a good business. So not English and Spanish, but rather English and Korean (at the very least) and Chinese if possible.
One of the apartment complexes here has their websites in English, Chinese, and Korean, because lots of Asian internationals tend to rent rooms there. :/
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On April 22 2013 12:13 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:11 oneofthem wrote:
it's completely retarded to say, chinese players didn't read the rules, when your rules are not internationalized and the check-in time registration is obviously unfair because for some people in east asia and australia this means early in the morning and god knows what hectic scheduling, while twitch.tv platinum players are clicking away on the site.
but mlg's inexperience/mishandling of a non-NA exclusive tournament isn't that surprising. they had little time to prepare and organize. this does make blizzard's lack of any plan for non-korea asia and australia players all the worse. All players outside of the Americas were told that if they wanted to play, they would have to deal with the problems associated with doing so. Which meant shitty times, rules not in their native language, etc.
That and the Korean players had no problems and made it through, even without sleep. Crank made it through without sleeping for 30 hours.
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Limiting the number of participants and letting chance (first come first serve) decide who gets in is completely unacceptable. It was also an issue with WCS EU, even if they had at least one day with fully open bracket. But here there won't be even one such opportunity. So bad. It destroys the legitimacy of the whole event. It's not a competition, it's a green card lottery + competition.
From a viewer's perspective it's a loss too - I, for one, wanted to see some top Chinese players competing alongside the NA best and the Koreans.
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On April 22 2013 12:15 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:11 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:08 Klipsys wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On April 22 2013 12:00 Ercster wrote:
I really like how a lot of people are complaining about MLG for this, yet their rules, which the players should have read beforehand, clearly state that it's not okay to account share. If FruitsBaskets were to have asked the MLG admins if he could give his seed to Comm instead, they might have okay'd it and he would still be in. But since they didn't even say anything to either the players he played against or the staff, he deserved the dq. Maybe comm doesn't speak english.. Not MLG or Blizzards fault. If they can't read the rules, then they need to say something and get help. You're right, but to play devils advocate the rules should be available in a few different languages. This is an international competition. This is an American (North and South) tournament, so they should be written in the most common languages in that region (English and Spanish. Maybe Portuguese and French) Ehhh. You should attempt to translate for your intended market if you want to run a good business. So not English and Spanish, but rather English and Korean (at the very least) and Chinese if possible. One of the apartment complexes here has their websites in English, Chinese, and Korean, because lots of Asian internationals tend to rent rooms there. :/
Yes, they should try to have as many translations of the rules as possible, but if they don't, you can't blame them for not doing so.
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Some in the Chinese SC2 community is already talking about boycotting MLG and if need be the entire WCS community. Stuff like this is NOT good for the advancement of e-sports.
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On April 22 2013 12:12 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:08 Klipsys wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On April 22 2013 12:00 Ercster wrote:
I really like how a lot of people are complaining about MLG for this, yet their rules, which the players should have read beforehand, clearly state that it's not okay to account share. If FruitsBaskets were to have asked the MLG admins if he could give his seed to Comm instead, they might have okay'd it and he would still be in. But since they didn't even say anything to either the players he played against or the staff, he deserved the dq. Maybe comm doesn't speak english.. Not MLG or Blizzards fault. If they can't read the rules, then they need to say something and get help. You're right, but to play devils advocate the rules should be available in a few different languages. This is an international competition. To be fair, smurfing isn't a rule specific to MLG. It's a rule that's been around in Starcraft tournaments since early broodwar, and even without knowing this, it should be obvious anyways. It gives too big an advantage in a game where players play according to the opponents strengths, weaknesses, and playstyle. What Comm needed to do was inform each of his opponents beforehand. I'm pretty sure Comm just wanted to play in the tournament, and it was not his intention to gain any advantage through smurfing, so I hope they can find a way to reinstate him.
Well Comm did tell all his opponents who he was... he was very open about it.
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This whole situation should have never happened because of the 512 player cap. C'mon MLG, what are you doing...
[Edit] updated with the whole check-in confusion
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On April 22 2013 12:39 Santi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:12 Chairman Ray wrote:On April 22 2013 12:08 Klipsys wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On April 22 2013 12:00 Ercster wrote:
I really like how a lot of people are complaining about MLG for this, yet their rules, which the players should have read beforehand, clearly state that it's not okay to account share. If FruitsBaskets were to have asked the MLG admins if he could give his seed to Comm instead, they might have okay'd it and he would still be in. But since they didn't even say anything to either the players he played against or the staff, he deserved the dq. Maybe comm doesn't speak english.. Not MLG or Blizzards fault. If they can't read the rules, then they need to say something and get help. You're right, but to play devils advocate the rules should be available in a few different languages. This is an international competition. To be fair, smurfing isn't a rule specific to MLG. It's a rule that's been around in Starcraft tournaments since early broodwar, and even without knowing this, it should be obvious anyways. It gives too big an advantage in a game where players play according to the opponents strengths, weaknesses, and playstyle. What Comm needed to do was inform each of his opponents beforehand. I'm pretty sure Comm just wanted to play in the tournament, and it was not his intention to gain any advantage through smurfing, so I hope they can find a way to reinstate him. Well Comm did tell all his opponents who he was... he was very open about it.
Did he? I asked this on the last page, and apparently Caliber was unaware that he was playing against Comm. I think this is a very important distinction because if he told his opponents directly in advanced of their match, he should not be disqualified.
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in part, you could blame china for its censorship rules. Global play did not include china.
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MLG's rule is stupid.
edited to make it less negative
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You know .... China's SC2 community is already very small compare to SC1 community we had. Whenever I go to a net cafe in China, there are always millions of people playing League of Legends, and no one play SC2. I think Net Ease, the company who runs SC2 in China isn't making much profit. I think Blizzard is just letting go of the Chinese market at this point, at least they made me believe so :S. Going to play final fantasy 14.
I had been a blizzard hardcore fan since 1998, they are no longer my "to go" company for games.
Blizzard really have chosen some idiotic partners in China. How the hell can you have starcraft 2 as a subscription based game. That's just really LOL. They only changed to one time payment after they can't make any money. Now all those who would've played SC2 are all gone and playing LoL.
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On April 22 2013 12:40 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
This whole situation should have never happened because of the 512 player cap. C'mon MLG, what are you doing...
[Edit] updated with the whole check-in confusion
According to CatZ, they're going to be having another qualifier. If that does happen, hopefully they would be kind enough to seed the players who weren't able to make it into this weekends bracket first.
EDIT: changed 512 bracket to qualifier
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On April 22 2013 12:45 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:40 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
This whole situation should have never happened because of the 512 player cap. C'mon MLG, what are you doing...
[Edit] updated with the whole check-in confusion According to CatZ, they're going to be having another 512 player bracket. If that does happen, hopefully they would be kind enough to seed the players who weren't able to make it into this weekends bracket first.
Where did he say that?
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On April 22 2013 12:45 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:40 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
This whole situation should have never happened because of the 512 player cap. C'mon MLG, what are you doing...
[Edit] updated with the whole check-in confusion According to CatZ, they're going to be having another 512 player bracket. If that does happen, hopefully they would be kind enough to seed the players who weren't able to make it into this weekends bracket first.
The other 512 player bracket has to be for Challenger League (Code A). There's already 8 qualified and 24 invites for Premier League, for a round of 32.
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On April 22 2013 12:47 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:45 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:40 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
This whole situation should have never happened because of the 512 player cap. C'mon MLG, what are you doing...
[Edit] updated with the whole check-in confusion According to CatZ, they're going to be having another 512 player bracket. If that does happen, hopefully they would be kind enough to seed the players who weren't able to make it into this weekends bracket first. Where did he say that?
"apparently there's another 'Code A' qualifier at an unanounced date, hopefully there's proper seeding / more than 1 tour to account for lame"
"Double NVM, I am really confused, but I think 2nd qualifier's invitees are based off this qualifier (top 40) so nvm, fuck me, #confused"
I didn't see the second tweet until now, but still, if they do have another qualifier, hopefully it will be just more than the top 40.
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Such a bad decision for MLG. Just expand the brackets if there is interest. This is like lottery, not like a championship.
I agree that NASL should have been in charge, not MLG.
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On April 22 2013 12:43 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:39 Santi wrote:On April 22 2013 12:12 Chairman Ray wrote:On April 22 2013 12:08 Klipsys wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On April 22 2013 12:00 Ercster wrote:
I really like how a lot of people are complaining about MLG for this, yet their rules, which the players should have read beforehand, clearly state that it's not okay to account share. If FruitsBaskets were to have asked the MLG admins if he could give his seed to Comm instead, they might have okay'd it and he would still be in. But since they didn't even say anything to either the players he played against or the staff, he deserved the dq. Maybe comm doesn't speak english.. Not MLG or Blizzards fault. If they can't read the rules, then they need to say something and get help. You're right, but to play devils advocate the rules should be available in a few different languages. This is an international competition. To be fair, smurfing isn't a rule specific to MLG. It's a rule that's been around in Starcraft tournaments since early broodwar, and even without knowing this, it should be obvious anyways. It gives too big an advantage in a game where players play according to the opponents strengths, weaknesses, and playstyle. What Comm needed to do was inform each of his opponents beforehand. I'm pretty sure Comm just wanted to play in the tournament, and it was not his intention to gain any advantage through smurfing, so I hope they can find a way to reinstate him. Well Comm did tell all his opponents who he was... he was very open about it. Did he? I asked this on the last page, and apparently Caliber was unaware that he was playing against Comm. I think this is a very important distinction because if he told his opponents directly in advanced of their match, he should not be disqualified.
I'm not too sure because I didn't really follow the LR threads, but did the other players who used a smurf reveal who they were to their opponents? If so, then the smurfing isn't really the issue here.
The thing is that if they allow stuff like that to go through, players might do multiple sign-ups (Not sure what they could do it for) and logistically it becomes a huge mess for MLG to deal with
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