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If there is indeed a new bracket to be announced, it should not be "another 512 player bracket". It should be - like the last EU qualifier - a fully open "whatever size needed" bracket.
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On April 22 2013 12:53 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:43 Chairman Ray wrote:On April 22 2013 12:39 Santi wrote:On April 22 2013 12:12 Chairman Ray wrote:On April 22 2013 12:08 Klipsys wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On April 22 2013 12:00 Ercster wrote:
I really like how a lot of people are complaining about MLG for this, yet their rules, which the players should have read beforehand, clearly state that it's not okay to account share. If FruitsBaskets were to have asked the MLG admins if he could give his seed to Comm instead, they might have okay'd it and he would still be in. But since they didn't even say anything to either the players he played against or the staff, he deserved the dq. Maybe comm doesn't speak english.. Not MLG or Blizzards fault. If they can't read the rules, then they need to say something and get help. You're right, but to play devils advocate the rules should be available in a few different languages. This is an international competition. To be fair, smurfing isn't a rule specific to MLG. It's a rule that's been around in Starcraft tournaments since early broodwar, and even without knowing this, it should be obvious anyways. It gives too big an advantage in a game where players play according to the opponents strengths, weaknesses, and playstyle. What Comm needed to do was inform each of his opponents beforehand. I'm pretty sure Comm just wanted to play in the tournament, and it was not his intention to gain any advantage through smurfing, so I hope they can find a way to reinstate him. Well Comm did tell all his opponents who he was... he was very open about it. Did he? I asked this on the last page, and apparently Caliber was unaware that he was playing against Comm. I think this is a very important distinction because if he told his opponents directly in advanced of their match, he should not be disqualified. I'm not too sure because I didn't really follow the LR threads, but did the other players who used a smurf reveal who they were to their opponents? If so, then the smurfing isn't really the issue here. The thing is that if they allow stuff like that to go through, players might do multiple sign-ups (Not sure what they could do it for) and logistically it becomes a huge mess for MLG to deal with
It wasn't that he was smurfing on his own account. He used another players account to play. The real FruitsBaskets saw that Comm didn't make it into the bracket and in private conversation told Comm that he could take his spot and account and play. Then neither player told anyone that they did this, and he was DQ'd.
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A joke (a bad one) nonetheless MLG is.
Hope Blizzard gets rid of them because they butchered WCS qualifiers quite effectively.
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On April 22 2013 12:55 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:53 Weirdkid wrote:On April 22 2013 12:43 Chairman Ray wrote:On April 22 2013 12:39 Santi wrote:On April 22 2013 12:12 Chairman Ray wrote:On April 22 2013 12:08 Klipsys wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On April 22 2013 12:00 Ercster wrote:
I really like how a lot of people are complaining about MLG for this, yet their rules, which the players should have read beforehand, clearly state that it's not okay to account share. If FruitsBaskets were to have asked the MLG admins if he could give his seed to Comm instead, they might have okay'd it and he would still be in. But since they didn't even say anything to either the players he played against or the staff, he deserved the dq. Maybe comm doesn't speak english.. Not MLG or Blizzards fault. If they can't read the rules, then they need to say something and get help. You're right, but to play devils advocate the rules should be available in a few different languages. This is an international competition. To be fair, smurfing isn't a rule specific to MLG. It's a rule that's been around in Starcraft tournaments since early broodwar, and even without knowing this, it should be obvious anyways. It gives too big an advantage in a game where players play according to the opponents strengths, weaknesses, and playstyle. What Comm needed to do was inform each of his opponents beforehand. I'm pretty sure Comm just wanted to play in the tournament, and it was not his intention to gain any advantage through smurfing, so I hope they can find a way to reinstate him. Well Comm did tell all his opponents who he was... he was very open about it. Did he? I asked this on the last page, and apparently Caliber was unaware that he was playing against Comm. I think this is a very important distinction because if he told his opponents directly in advanced of their match, he should not be disqualified. I'm not too sure because I didn't really follow the LR threads, but did the other players who used a smurf reveal who they were to their opponents? If so, then the smurfing isn't really the issue here. The thing is that if they allow stuff like that to go through, players might do multiple sign-ups (Not sure what they could do it for) and logistically it becomes a huge mess for MLG to deal with It wasn't that he was smurfing on his own account. He used another players account to play. The real FruitsBaskets saw that Comm didn't make it into the bracket and in private conversation told Comm that he could take his spot and account and play. Then neither player told anyone that they did this, and he was DQ'd.
What a joke, neither player told anyone? how do you know it? Comm public the infomation and got banned, you got banned because you are the honest man.
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On April 22 2013 13:00 jalen1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:55 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:53 Weirdkid wrote:On April 22 2013 12:43 Chairman Ray wrote:On April 22 2013 12:39 Santi wrote:On April 22 2013 12:12 Chairman Ray wrote:On April 22 2013 12:08 Klipsys wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 Ercster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 E.L.V.I.S wrote:On April 22 2013 12:00 Ercster wrote:
I really like how a lot of people are complaining about MLG for this, yet their rules, which the players should have read beforehand, clearly state that it's not okay to account share. If FruitsBaskets were to have asked the MLG admins if he could give his seed to Comm instead, they might have okay'd it and he would still be in. But since they didn't even say anything to either the players he played against or the staff, he deserved the dq. Maybe comm doesn't speak english.. Not MLG or Blizzards fault. If they can't read the rules, then they need to say something and get help. You're right, but to play devils advocate the rules should be available in a few different languages. This is an international competition. To be fair, smurfing isn't a rule specific to MLG. It's a rule that's been around in Starcraft tournaments since early broodwar, and even without knowing this, it should be obvious anyways. It gives too big an advantage in a game where players play according to the opponents strengths, weaknesses, and playstyle. What Comm needed to do was inform each of his opponents beforehand. I'm pretty sure Comm just wanted to play in the tournament, and it was not his intention to gain any advantage through smurfing, so I hope they can find a way to reinstate him. Well Comm did tell all his opponents who he was... he was very open about it. Did he? I asked this on the last page, and apparently Caliber was unaware that he was playing against Comm. I think this is a very important distinction because if he told his opponents directly in advanced of their match, he should not be disqualified. I'm not too sure because I didn't really follow the LR threads, but did the other players who used a smurf reveal who they were to their opponents? If so, then the smurfing isn't really the issue here. The thing is that if they allow stuff like that to go through, players might do multiple sign-ups (Not sure what they could do it for) and logistically it becomes a huge mess for MLG to deal with It wasn't that he was smurfing on his own account. He used another players account to play. The real FruitsBaskets saw that Comm didn't make it into the bracket and in private conversation told Comm that he could take his spot and account and play. Then neither player told anyone that they did this, and he was DQ'd. What a joke, neither player told anyone? how do you know it? Comm public the infomation and got banned, you got banned because you are the honest man.
Did he tell them before he started playing? As far as I know, he didn't. It wasn't until after he started playing that he said he was using FruitsBaskets account. Caliber even made mention that he didn't know it was Comm when he was playing him.
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stop blaming MLG, this wouldn't be allowed in korea as well. from a rules standpoint it's not exactly right to have flash getting into the booth under the assumed ID of jaedong, for example.
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Everyone knew it was comm, it was written as comm since the start on liquipedia.... what a joke! MLG you suck.
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Comm should have been banned because of his smurfing, but he shouldn't have had to smurf because MLG should have been a competent tournament host.
MLG has been doing better lately, but they fucked up again. Seems they really should have let NASL handle the online qualifiers...
I was really looking forward to seeing the rise of Chinese SC2 players in 2013, but MLG is really trying to stump that right now. It's pretty sad to see.
On April 22 2013 13:14 foxmulder_ms wrote:
Everyone knew it was comm, it was written as comm since the start on liquipedia.... what a joke! MLG you suck.
Actually, it was written as FruitBaskets throughout the whole tournament. Every time I checked the brackets that's how it was listed at least, and that was up until the last few rounds before I had to step out.
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Oh my gawd Comm didn't get to play
What a joke MLG is
I'm done with you Sundance
*stamps feet and runs to mommy*
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wtf mlg, DQ the few good players....... sad joke -.-
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On April 22 2013 13:13 shadymmj wrote:
stop blaming MLG, this wouldn't be allowed in korea as well. from a rules standpoint it's not exactly right to have flash getting into the booth under the assumed ID of jaedong, for example. The problem is bad tournament design that doesn't allow all willing participants to get in the tournament. That's just horrible.
Also, I don't even think the main problem is people didn't know who he was. The main problem is he was not even registered for this bracket. You have to be registered in some event to be eligible to win it.
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the only wcs I will be watching are gsl and the global final then.
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I think this is a joke. Rules are made to be flexible for exceptions just like this one. They are specifically worded using the word "may" in order to respect the judgement of admins and the peculiarity of specific instances. I'm not sure what MLG generally or whatever admin it was who made this call specifically were thinking when they DQ'd Comm.
That said, wouldn't theSTC have been rather the heavy favorite going into their matchup?
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On April 22 2013 13:27 Oreo7 wrote:
I think this is a joke. Rules are made to be flexible for exceptions just like this one. They are specifically worded using the word "may" in order to respect the judgement of admins and the peculiarity of specific instances. I'm not sure what MLG generally or whatever admin it was who made this call specifically were thinking when they DQ'd Comm.
That said, wouldn't theSTC have rather heavy favorite going into their matchup?
TheStC already beat Comm. Comm was DQ'd after falling to the losers' bracket where he would have faced Apocalypse. I think he would have had a decent shot at making it.
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On April 22 2013 13:13 shadymmj wrote:
stop blaming MLG, this wouldn't be allowed in korea as well. from a rules standpoint it's not exactly right to have flash getting into the booth under the assumed ID of jaedong, for example.
He made it clear that he was comm to every player he played. But more importantly, Comm wouldn't have had to do this in the first place if he was able to secure a spot in the tournament.
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I know that the WCS is going to have growing pains, but this is absurd. The fact that WCS EU qualifiers were pulled off well shows that the NA could've been just as good. MLG needs to step up its game.
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So your response to bad tournament organisation is to break the rules, is that what you mean? :/
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I quite agreed with that on /starcraft
The problem isn't that he was DQ'd. the problem is that he wasn't given a spot in the first place.
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EPT
