EPTWCS China champion Comm DQ'ed from WCS America - Page 11
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Meadowlark
United States349 Posts
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m4inbrain
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On April 22 2013 10:32 Plansix wrote: Yep, check in and good to go. That means check in. Read the rule, it says "check in time does not effect seeding,". They checked in, but were never going to be seeded into the event because they registered later. Over 1,000 people who signed up and only 512 got to play, but those other 488 people aren't whining about it. The obvious answer should've been "they were all checked in so far" then, not "checked in and good to go". Good to go means good to go, does not matter how much you try to twist/defend it. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:31 Doraemon wrote: if being "checked in" does not mean "being able to participate in the event" then something is completely wrong. Its not MLGs problem the team didn't read the rules before hand and realized their players had sign up so late they weren't getting into the bracket. If they had read the giant red text and checked their registration number, they would have known they weren't getting into the bracket. They didn't read the rule and just assumed everything was ok. Then they didn't get into the bracket and made a huge thread about how they didn't understand why they were left out. Then Comm played under someone else's account, which is against the rules, and got DQed for doing that. And the whole time this is MLG's fault for not being aware the the Chinese team has signed up to late. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:37 m4inbrain wrote: The obvious answer should've been "they were all checked in so far" then, not "checked in and good to go". Good to go means good to go, does not matter how much you try to twist/defend it. To be entirely fair, when you're IMing people, you tend to default to some very colloquial phrases even as an administrator, lol. I doubt the admin expected to have his measly half-second remark dissected for its nuances of meaning on an internet forum. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:39 Plansix wrote: Its not MLGs problem the team didn't read the rules before hand and realized their players had sign up so late they weren't getting into the bracket. If they had read the giant red text and checked their registration number, they would have known they weren't getting into the bracket. They didn't read the rule and just assumed everything was ok. Then they didn't get into the bracket and made a huge thread about how they didn't understand why they were left out. Then Comm played under someone else's account, which is against the rules, and got DQed for doing that. And the whole time this is MLG's fault for not being aware the the Chinese team has signed up to late. As far as I can tell based on what I read on and off, they all checked in on time, but MLG didn't seed them into the brackets because they were not well liked. Instead they'd give it to random Gold leaguers. | ||
Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
On April 22 2013 09:41 Underkoffer wrote: When the rules don't make sense and aren't flexible they have to be critiqued and changed before they cause irreversible damage. We shouldn't look at this when it's over and say 'ye that was sad, nothing to be done now though', better luck next time. i dont think anyone is saying that the rules/structure/manpower of this tournament is even close to near ideal, but i feel like the time for that type of discussion is either before or after the tournament [hopefully before]. when you open up your tournament to rule changes mid-tournament i think it sets a bad precedent and will generally do more harm than good [barring incredibly extreme examples of which i feel this is not one]. On April 22 2013 09:54 Prplppleatr wrote: If they are going to be sticklers on the rules, then they should do that for everyone, not just when they pick and choose to follow their own rules..it makes things even more confusing and frustrating. i agree. assuming you are refering to comm and crank being treated differently, had they committed the same offense i would be feeling the same as you. different rules having varying levels of severity and it stands to reason that breaking some of them should have more severe punishment than breaking others. would it be nice to have it laid out before hand what infractions would warrant a warning as opposed to a ban? yes and hopefully thats something that can be improved upon. i think, while comm's actions are understandable, they are much more severe than cranks and i can understand different actions vs each player respectively. that said, had crank also been disqualified, while i would think it's asinine, i think they would still be within their rights to do so. | ||
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xiaose1982
China21 Posts
Hello everyone, first of all, I would like to ask the MLG,What is the place of race？What is Anonymous race？ After If FruitsBasket qualify is mylady to codes,it's the place of race。if FruitsBasket qualify is Comm to codes,it's Anonymous race。MLG provisions can not be anonymous competition?If not, please restore comm game rights | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:40 babylon wrote: To be entirely fair, when you're IMing people, you tend to default to some very colloquial phrases even as an administrator, lol. I doubt the admin expected to have his measly half-second remark dissected for its nuances of meaning on an internet forum. There's nothing to dissect. It's two different things, why would you add it? "You're just checked in so far" means no luck so far, which would be the right answer. Good to go implies something entirely different. I entirely understand how someone (not native english speaker even) could get confused about that. Also, there's nothing wrong with being colloquial (btw i had to google that -.-) - you just have to be clear, and the admin was not. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:45 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: i dont think anyone is saying that the rules/structure/manpower of this tournament is even close to near ideal, but i feel like the time for that type of discussion is either before or after the tournament [hopefully before]. when you open up your tournament to rule changes mid-tournament i think it sets a bad precedent and will generally do more harm than good [barring incredibly extreme examples of which i feel this is not one]. i agree. assuming you are refering to comm and crank being treated differently, had they committed the same offense i would be feeling the same as you. different rules having varying levels of severity and it stands to reason that breaking some of them should have more severe punishment than breaking others. would it be nice to have it laid out before hand what infractions would warrant a warning as opposed to a ban? yes and hopefully thats something that can be improved upon. i think, while comm's actions are understandable, they are much more severe than cranks and i can understand different actions vs each player respectively. that said, had crank also been disqualified, while i would think it's asinine, i think they would still be within their rights to do so. I agree as well, and they specifically state that spoiling the results may result in a dq...It is something they must improve upon. But if they are being lenient, be lenient. Comm played the matches as himself and never tried to hide that it was him (ie. he openly said he was comm and wasn't trying to smurf). He earned his way to the position he was in, he won those games. It wasn't cheating or hacking or anything of that severity. He was simply using another persons account on MLGs website. That, to me, is the same severity as cranks infraction, given how clear they made that results weren't to be spoiled. (they said it many times in many places..it was very clear) | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:45 geokilla wrote: What happened with Axiom Crank? nothing some people said CranK should be DQ since he tweeted about his victory and it was against the rules BUT MLG brackets was spoiling everything way before CranK tweeted, (yesterday) just some peoples trying to start more drama. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:49 m4inbrain wrote: There's nothing to dissect. It's two different things, why would you add it? "You're just checked in so far" means no luck so far, which would be the right answer. Good to go implies something entirely different. I entirely understand how someone (not native english speaker even) could get confused about that. Also, there's nothing wrong with being colloquial (btw i had to google that -.-) - you just have to be clear, and the admin was not. Even if he was clear, they won't have been put into the bracket and they couldn't do anything about it at that point. The fact that they thought they were fine even though their players registered to late to be seeded(not checked in, registered) shows they were completely unaware of the rule or how seeding worked. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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babylon
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1. Comm and co. all register by 10 PM China time (= 10:00 AM EDT) on April 20. Many of them have allegedly registered ASAP, but exact dates are not given. [Source] 2. Check-in begins @ 10 AM EDT on Saturday, April 20th and runs to 12:50 PM EDT on Saturday, April 20th. [Rules] 3. They contact Admin Wiggin at 22:17 China time (= 10:17 AM) to check-in on April 20 and are told by Wiggin, "They are all checked in and good to go." [Source] 4. However, apparently, more than 512 players registered before the Chinese players did. These 512+ players also checked-in by the required time (though probably even later than Comm and co.), but MLG's rules do not take check-in order into account when determining seeding priority. They use registration order instead. Because Comm and co. likely registered after at least 512 other players, they were not seeded into the brackets. They did in fact check in (so Wiggins was right in confirming that they had checked in), but their initial registration was too late, and the other early birds got the worm. EDIT: Speculation italicized. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:53 Plansix wrote: Even if he was clear, they won't have been put into the bracket and they couldn't do anything about it at that point. The fact that they thought they were fine even though their players registered to late to be seeded(not checked in, registered) shows they were completely unaware of the rule or how seeding worked. Well, reading in one of the other threads what seems to happen with quantic right now, .. I'm fairly sceptical now. Lets see how the hwangsin-thing plays out now. I just hope that someone has a screenshot, and i'm actually hoping for this to be a hoax. If not, there's no reason to believe that they did not make it in time but MLG just decided to not let them play. Speculation of course, let's just wait for now. Edit: but of course i can't wait for your defense on that one. Especially if that turns out to be true. | ||
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semmeL
Germany85 Posts
Dunno if Blizzard is even aware of the fuckup that MLG did at this point, but they will know it in some time for sure. I'm quite interested if they will make a move or put some pressure on mlg for upcoming events. WCS locks u for the whole year and with the whole system works in giving Points and so on to being able to get to the season finals, this is just total bullshit. Chinese players, or any other Proplayer who didnt got in, got totally screwed cause they are not able (not even given a chance!!!) to get into Premier League, where it would matter for this year. And who knows how MLG does decide the WCS-Challenger league at this moment..... It is by no means right that diamond or lower tier players get into the bracket over a WCS-China winner from last year or any other pro gamer that also signed up (these players and teams need the chances/exposure from WCS to live from it.. not like some hobbyplayers that just sigend up for fun maybe playing 1 round against a famous player but never had a real chance at all!!!!). Some Proplayers who were more well known in the NA scene but never really accomplished anything at a WCS event a year before or at offline events somehow got into the bracaket seeded or with no problems whatsoever. This is truly a disgrace for the esports scene and sc2 for becoming a more established esport. I cant see how u will get new viewers into this, when u show how amateurish it is run and admins decide which people they "like" and "dont like", so they pick more unknown silver-diamand NA player over some accomplished Pro who is no American. Same thing happened to Demuslin in some way, but cause he had EG behind him (big American team) MLG had to react in a timely fashion and atleast guaranteed him a spot in the qualifier. Blizzard made it clear that WCS (NA-EU-KR) does not mean that u have to live to play in it. U just had to decide for the upcoming year where u want to play in and be able to be physically present at the later stages. So there should be 0 tolerance to why american pro players somehow got seeded into qualifier bracket but some established non american didn't. Also casting from replays and stretching this qualifier awfully longer and also trying to witholding information about brackets now, it just seems MLG wants to make the most money they can as long sc2 is well known and Blizzard supports it. They doesnt seem to be interested in the growth of esports/sc2 at this time. | ||
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skyflyfish
Canada499 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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