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On April 22 2013 10:21 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:18 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:16 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. Maybe if his admins did their fucking job and stopped seeding low leaguers and map hackers over these Chinese pros, and stopped lying to players like him that they were in the bracket... maybe none of this would have happened. It is in order of registration, no league ranking. It was in the rules and huge red letters when they signed up. Map hackers don't wear signs and none of the other teams had problems getting their players into the qualifiers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Chinese players signed up ASAP, were given the thumbs up by admins, re-contacted the admins when they realized they weren't in the bracket, assured by admins that the entire bracket wasn't up, and then confirmed that, no, even though they were repeatedly told by admins that nothing was wrong, they weren't actually signed up -- but by then it was too late to do anything anyways, of course.
They were assured they were in the que for the bracket if there were no shows. They BELIEVED they were fully signed in and would be in the bracket, but this was not correct.
If you go to this webpage:
http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/tournament/wcs-america-season-1-qualifyin/info?mlg_source=wcsqual1info
You will see the rule that they missed that clearly states that if the bracket is filled they will not get in. There was a que if people did not check in, which they were in. However enough people checked in and they were not included in the bracket.
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On April 22 2013 10:22 Glurkenspurk wrote:
So.. Why aren't we boycotting WCS again? Not only has this had a huge negative impact on the NA scene, it also managed to shit on the chinese scene too.
Because it's more MLG's fault. Sure Blizzard made the collossal blunder of letting MLG host the WCS NA tournament, but we haven't seen any issues with WCS KR (Keep up the great work GSL!), and the issues with WCS EU haven't been horrendous (though any issues will now seem minor after the MLG fiasco).
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On April 22 2013 10:23 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:22 .maLice. wrote:
You guys are all so freaking butt hurt...
If you break the rules you should expect to get DQ'd. I will say that Comm should have been in the tournament to begin with, but it certainly doesn't justify breaking the tournaments rules and then wondering why you got disqualified... because there is something called leniency, which was correctly applied to crank but not comm
What happened to Crank?
Seems like there's so many things going on with WCS NA it's a bit hard to follow all of the drama and happenings.
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On April 22 2013 10:23 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:22 .maLice. wrote:
You guys are all so freaking butt hurt...
If you break the rules you should expect to get DQ'd. I will say that Comm should have been in the tournament to begin with, but it certainly doesn't justify breaking the tournaments rules and then wondering why you got disqualified... because there is something called leniency, which was correctly applied to crank but not comm
Yeah, one of them lied and the other one said "Yay, I won." That would be a really hard call for me.
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On April 22 2013 10:27 HornyHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:23 Doraemon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:22 .maLice. wrote:
You guys are all so freaking butt hurt...
If you break the rules you should expect to get DQ'd. I will say that Comm should have been in the tournament to begin with, but it certainly doesn't justify breaking the tournaments rules and then wondering why you got disqualified... because there is something called leniency, which was correctly applied to crank but not comm What happened to Crank? Seems like there's so many things going on with WCS NA it's a bit hard to follow all of the drama and happenings.
Crank leaked results that he qualified, but was not DQ'd for doing so.
On April 22 2013 10:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:23 Doraemon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:22 .maLice. wrote:
You guys are all so freaking butt hurt...
If you break the rules you should expect to get DQ'd. I will say that Comm should have been in the tournament to begin with, but it certainly doesn't justify breaking the tournaments rules and then wondering why you got disqualified... because there is something called leniency, which was correctly applied to crank but not comm Yeah, one of them lied and the other one said "Yay, I won." That would be a really hard call for me.
Leaking results is still leaking results.
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On April 22 2013 10:25 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:22 Glurkenspurk wrote:
So.. Why aren't we boycotting WCS again? Not only has this had a huge negative impact on the NA scene, it also managed to shit on the chinese scene too. Because it's more MLG's fault. Sure Blizzard made the collossal blunder of letting MLG host the WCS NA tournament, but we haven't seen any issues with WCS KR (Keep up the great work GSL!), and the issues with WCS EU haven't been horrendous (though any issues will now seem minor after the MLG fiasco).
Were there any issues with WCS EU at all? I can't recall anything. Maybe MLG's abysmal performance made me forget...
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Noooo. Just wrong. Stop saying this. Stop making things up about no shows and brackets being filled up.
Being told that "they were all checked in and good to go" and that the bracket was not final bracket, by the admin, it is pretty obvious that they were assured that they are in the brackets.
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On April 22 2013 10:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:23 Doraemon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:22 .maLice. wrote:
You guys are all so freaking butt hurt...
If you break the rules you should expect to get DQ'd. I will say that Comm should have been in the tournament to begin with, but it certainly doesn't justify breaking the tournaments rules and then wondering why you got disqualified... because there is something called leniency, which was correctly applied to crank but not comm Yeah, one of them lied and the other one said "Yay, I won." That would be a really hard call for me.
If there is a rule against saying "Yay, I won" then why would he not be punished for saying it? Do you really think Comm's intentions were any more malicious than Crank's?
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On April 22 2013 10:21 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:19 Elairec wrote:On April 22 2013 10:16 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. Maybe if his admins did their fucking job and stopped seeding low leaguers and map hackers over these Chinese pros, and stopped lying to players like him that they were in the bracket... then none of this would have happened. If you read /r/starcraft and the overall responses on this TL thread right now, I think you'll find a lot of people agree with me. Sundance needs to get his shit together. They did do their job. Those that registered and checked in got placed in the correct order. If you want to blame anyone, blame his team for not communicating to MLG to try and get a spot reserved. Seriously this has just gone too far and people want to cling to any argument they can to bitch and moan. You mean like this? ![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044034bwnzvvrb2ajlrinv.jpg) It's too bad that didn't seem to have worked
So this system they set up goes something like this:
Register unlimited amount of players
Check in comes around and only accepts the pre authorized players plus whoever else fills out the top 512 in order of registration
You can check in although you may not actually get in
Can you see how the confusion as to why Wiggin may have thought they were "checked in and good to go" happened? Maybe he just saw they were checked in and assumed they would be in the brackets. People aren't being open minded enough about how something may have accidentally happened.
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On April 22 2013 10:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:23 Doraemon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:22 .maLice. wrote:
You guys are all so freaking butt hurt...
If you break the rules you should expect to get DQ'd. I will say that Comm should have been in the tournament to begin with, but it certainly doesn't justify breaking the tournaments rules and then wondering why you got disqualified... because there is something called leniency, which was correctly applied to crank but not comm Yeah, one of them lied and the other one said "Yay, I won." That would be a really hard call for me.
hey look, someone just jaywalked, let's fine him.
hey look, someone was speeding, let's let him go because i'm having a nice day.
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On April 22 2013 10:28 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:25 Bagration wrote:On April 22 2013 10:22 Glurkenspurk wrote:
So.. Why aren't we boycotting WCS again? Not only has this had a huge negative impact on the NA scene, it also managed to shit on the chinese scene too. Because it's more MLG's fault. Sure Blizzard made the collossal blunder of letting MLG host the WCS NA tournament, but we haven't seen any issues with WCS KR (Keep up the great work GSL!), and the issues with WCS EU haven't been horrendous (though any issues will now seem minor after the MLG fiasco). Were there any issues with WCS EU at all? I can't recall anything. Maybe MLG's abysmal performance made me forget...
They had signup issues where the time the tournament began changed suddenly. Also, without enough admins to verify claims, people were able to claim walkovers when they didn't deserve them.
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It's irrelevant how justifiable the fuck-up is. It's still a huge fuck-up.
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On April 22 2013 10:29 Elairec wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:21 Kupon3ss wrote:On April 22 2013 10:19 Elairec wrote:On April 22 2013 10:16 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. Maybe if his admins did their fucking job and stopped seeding low leaguers and map hackers over these Chinese pros, and stopped lying to players like him that they were in the bracket... then none of this would have happened. If you read /r/starcraft and the overall responses on this TL thread right now, I think you'll find a lot of people agree with me. Sundance needs to get his shit together. They did do their job. Those that registered and checked in got placed in the correct order. If you want to blame anyone, blame his team for not communicating to MLG to try and get a spot reserved. Seriously this has just gone too far and people want to cling to any argument they can to bitch and moan. You mean like this? It's too bad that didn't seem to have worked So this system they set up goes something like this: Register unlimited amount of players Check in comes around and only accepts the pre authorized players plus whoever else fills out the top 512 in order of registration You can check in although you may not actually get in Can you see how the confusion as to why Wiggin may have thought they were "checked in and good to go" happened? Maybe he just saw they were checked in and assumed they would be in the brackets. People aren't being open minded enough about how something may have accidentally happened.
if being "checked in" does not mean "being able to participate in the event" then something is completely wrong.
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On April 22 2013 10:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Noooo. Just wrong. Stop saying this. Stop making things up about no shows and brackets being filled up. Being told that "they were all checked in and good to go" and that the bracket was not final bracket, by the admin, it is pretty obvious that they were assured that they are in the brackets.
Yep, check in and good to go. That means check in. Read the rule, it says "check in time does not effect seeding,". They checked in, but were never going to be seeded into the event because they registered later. Over 1,000 people who signed up and only 512 got to play, but those other 488 people aren't whining about it.
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On April 22 2013 10:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 10:21 babylon wrote:On April 22 2013 10:18 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:16 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:07 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 10:04 Clbull wrote:On April 22 2013 10:03 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 09:59 Zenbrez wrote:On April 22 2013 09:57 Clefairy wrote:On April 22 2013 09:44 nvs. wrote:
Has MLG released any sort of damage control statement yet or are they just continuing to charge forward obliviously. Sundance told admins that they should apologize to Comm and have him reinstated. If he's even awake that is. It's 8:56AM and he stayed up all night for this shit. I think you misread that post. The poster was giving (readers) his twitter, then telling (readers) to tweet at him, demanding an apology and reinstating him. Sundance has done no such thing. He only response has been: "@MLGSundance rules are there for a reason." In response to people requesting Comm be let back in. Yup, I'm not watching anything MLG related anymore. Fuck Sundance's reply. I am sure he will miss you a lot and is really hurt that you won't watching because he enforced the rules that you can't use other peoples accounts to play. Maybe if his admins did their fucking job and stopped seeding low leaguers and map hackers over these Chinese pros, and stopped lying to players like him that they were in the bracket... maybe none of this would have happened. It is in order of registration, no league ranking. It was in the rules and huge red letters when they signed up. Map hackers don't wear signs and none of the other teams had problems getting their players into the qualifiers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Chinese players signed up ASAP, were given the thumbs up by admins, re-contacted the admins when they realized they weren't in the bracket, assured by admins that the entire bracket wasn't up, and then confirmed that, no, even though they were repeatedly told by admins that nothing was wrong, they weren't actually signed up -- but by then it was too late to do anything anyways, of course. They were assured they were in the que for the bracket if there were no shows. They BELIEVED they were fully signed in and would be in the bracket, but this was not correct. If you go to this webpage: http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/tournament/wcs-america-season-1-qualifyin/info?mlg_source=wcsqual1infoYou will see the rule that they missed that clearly states that if the bracket is filled they will not get in. There was a que if people did not check in, which they were in. However enough people checked in and they were not included in the bracket.
Hmmm, didn't they register at 10 PM China time on April 20, which translates to 10 AM EDT on April 20?
EDIT: Ah, I see. I suppose they got registration and check-in mixed up? Or they weren't specific enough about what they were talking about (i.e. check-in or registration) when they were inquiring and admins probably assumed one or the other.
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wow i thought the esl qualifier 4 was bad with the site crashing but MLG topped it Oo
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WOW MLG. Will you please screw off?
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I think it's obvious by now that MLG can't be relied upon to effectively run anything other than a self-contained offline event. That's what they're good at. They are terrible at online events both from the broadcast and the administrative angle. So far WCS in EU and NA has been disorganized garbage.
I hope MLG and Blizzard get their well deserved bad press for backing this complete fuck up of an event so far. This is coming from someone who's happily paid a couple hundred dollars in various subscriptions for MLG events before. So long as they continue to run such an important event in such a low quality fashion they won't be getting more from me.
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http://gamebattles.majorleaguegaming.com/forums/t/IMPORTANT-WCS-America-Qualifier-1-Check-in-Procedure-8277665
***IMPORTANT - WCS America Qualifier 1 Check-in Procedure***
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If you have registered for the WCS America Season 1 Qualifying Tournament, you will need to check-in prior to the start of the tournament in order to be seeded into the bracket. Failure to check-in will result in your exclusion from the Bracket, and you will not be added in after the check-in closes.
Check-in will take place Saturday, April 20th starting at 10:00 AM EDT and ending at 12:50 PM EDT. Check-in order will not influence who does, and who does not get into the bracket. The players that make the bracket will be the first 512 people based on their Registration, who have Checked-In. The bracket will not expand past 512 players. So for example, if the first 512 people that registered all check in, but their were 700 people that registered/checked in, the players 513-700 will not be seeded into the bracket.
Check in, for this purpose, only means that you are currently present and ready to play. Not that you are going to play.
Yes it sucks they allowed more than 512 people to check in, but it's not like people didn't know this was a possibility...
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