EPTOn April 22 2013 14:13 Lunares wrote:
You guys complained about an entry fee and they got rid of it. See what happened?
You guys complained about an entry fee and they got rid of it. See what happened?
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Ph4ZeD
United Kingdom753 Posts
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TrutY
Croatia26 Posts
And now will this Koreans have NA flag on WCS or what  ?First time i am really glad that EU has awful ping with Korea. The biggest problem this qualifier was Map Hackers that where allowed to play, blizz is not doing anything, but community need to do something against this. Verified user names, unique registry easily accessible of map hackers, and everyone complained when blizzard didn't want to give free name change, at least than you know map hacker, now barcode and you never now :/. So much less problem with unique ID on b.net.. | ||
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ConGee
318 Posts
On April 22 2013 14:32 govie wrote: The problem with fees are the impact of the globalfee oon certain regions. I.e. A South american, Chinese or a Russian will have to pay more to participate then someone from North America. As for them 20 bucks is worth more then for someone out of NA. There's your problem. The feeheight will exclude players from certain regions to participate. As the NA-region is bigger then NA itself and blizzard tries to spread koreans and other gamers over the world, a fee is almost not viable. The EU didnt have a fee and didnt have problems like mlg either. Yes if it was regionlocked for NA-residents-only a fee would have been viable (because everybody has the same currency), but there are more countries on sc2-NA-region that are not as rich as NA is... edit : i.e. the big mac index.. how much a big mac costs for local residents by PPP (purchasing power parity). I am not an economist, but i like big macs and graphs alot http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index It still would have been more fair than what ended up happening. Any foreign player who's good enough to viably compete in the tournament would have had enough funding. You don't think that iG would have been able to cover the costs of their players? Sure, NA would have more low leveled players than anywhere else in the world, but at least it would remove the scheduling fiasco we ran into. Of course, the better idea would have been just to disallow players who were lower than xx00 points masters and the entire thing wouldn't have turned into such a terrible sham. | ||
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yrt123
Singapore1246 Posts
On April 22 2013 00:36 Plansix wrote: No I am just remembering that they put this together in 16 days and there are over 1000 players. There were issues, but I don't really mind them. The issue with the Chinese player seems like there was some fishy business going on and all of the information coming out seems to be a whole bunch of hearsay. But as China is across the ocean, I support MLG if they thought something wasn't right. The hacker issue is disappointing, but I really expected of them them to slip through. These are people who try to cheat and they are bound to find their way in. As for broadcasters, it is just one more person that has to coordinate and get into matches. With Crank begging to have his last match run as soon as possible because he had been up for 30 hours, I really just wanted MLG to get through this as quickly as possible. I also think that all of the WCS are attempting to have their broadcasts on one channel so they can get more accurate viewer numbers for the events to pitch to sponsors. Splitting those across to community casters could muddy their numbers. But that is just speculation. Oh they are across the ocean so fuck them right WCS should rename US EU KR Championship Series am I right. I can't find the post but some AU players couldn't get into the qualifiers too and ONLY TWO top Chinese players were in it if I am not wrong(one if you take away Comm which I will not argue about this issue can be taken either way) I don't know how you can defend an organisation with many years of experience holding esports tournament over a wide range of games to not fucking see the problems it will have on a first come first serve 512 player limit bracket for such an important qualifier. The qualifier for the biggest tournament series for the game. Also no god damned tournament organiser in any fucking sport hides the fucking bracket. There may be delays updating the bracket but hiding it? Come on.. I don't blame them for making some mistakes in the bracket but hiding it is just unprofessional ![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044026usjmh8va8kccnaav.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://bbs.neotv.cn/data/attachment/forum/201304/21/044034bwnzvvrb2ajlrinv.jpg) They are all checked in and good to go but in the end all of these guys didn't play? DAFUQ? Oh no biggie I guess there was some mistake in handling these guys. They can try again next time. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:01 yrt123 wrote: I don't get why you're trying so hard to defend MLG. You got a personal stake in it or something. Oh they are across the ocean so fuck them right WCS should rename US EU KR Championship Series am I right. I can't find the post but some AU players couldn't get into the qualifiers too and ONLY TWO top Chinese players were in it if I am not wrong(one if you take away Comm which I will not argue about this issue can be taken either way) I don't know how you can defend an organisation with many years of experience holding esports tournament over a wide range of games to not fucking see the problems it will have on a first come first serve 512 player limit bracket for such an important qualifier. The qualifier for the biggest tournament series for the game. Also no god damned tournament organiser in any fucking sport hides the fucking bracket. There may be delays updating the bracket but hiding it? Come on.. I don't blame them for making some mistakes in the bracket but hiding it is just unprofessional They are all checked in and good to go but in the end all of these guys didn't play? DAFUQ? Oh no biggie I guess there was some mistake in handling these guys. They can try again next time. Some people don't realize that this is not a topic you can have an opinion about. It was a fuck up - it's really just that simple. I really cannot understand how anyone would back up MLG here. In my opinion MLG not only ran the qualifier badly and made it a mess due to this, but it should be invalid. They betrayed players , others got knocked out by players that shouldn't be in anyways.... the qualifier is made invalid by all of this. | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
It does, it prevent hundreds of people who have no shot of qualifying from taking up spots and making the whole event a clusterfuck. If I am in gold and the tournament is free why not enter, if it cost $5-$10, screw that I am not wasting my money. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:20 feanor1 wrote: It does, it prevent hundreds of people who have no shot of qualifying from taking up spots and making the whole event a clusterfuck. If I am in gold and the tournament is free why not enter, if it cost $5-$10, screw that I am not wasting my money. It doesn't. Make it a unlimited player tournament and let even newbies try themselves. Its a good thing and it does raise the community. Chance to play a pro? Always good. Chance of beating him ? Next to none anyways. It really wouldn't have hurt anyone and the FEW BYEs you get from it ... really, you cannot be serious. Do you really see the low-league players that participated as the problen here? Can only be a joke | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:20 feanor1 wrote: It does, it prevent hundreds of people who have no shot of qualifying from taking up spots and making the whole event a clusterfuck. If I am in gold and the tournament is free why not enter, if it cost $5-$10, screw that I am not wasting my money. There were fees for MLG open brackets. You still get plat people joining just for the sake of playing. I don't even make that much money, but I would definitely shell out 5-10 dollars without care if I felt like playing. If I had time, and I didn't think I was hurting their chance at making it really far in a grind-fest bracket, I would gladly pay 5-10 dollars just to play against someone like Idra or Incontrol. They need to do it like the GSL, where you have to be at least X points masters to be able to register. | ||
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StarcraftGuy4U
United States74 Posts
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yrt123
Singapore1246 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:25 convention wrote: There were fees for MLG open brackets. You still get plat people joining just for the sake of playing. I don't even make that much money, but I would definitely shell out 5-10 dollars without care if I felt like playing. They need to do it like the GSL, where you have to be at least X points masters to be able to register. Or don't limit spots for such an important qualifier... especially when theres only one that you will be bloody locked into through | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:20 feanor1 wrote: It does, it prevent hundreds of people who have no shot of qualifying from taking up spots and making the whole event a clusterfuck. If I am in gold and the tournament is free why not enter, if it cost $5-$10, screw that I am not wasting my money. I'd pay 5 bucks for a chance to play Jaedong... I'm not a pro. The fee issue is a red herring, whether it solves matters or not, the fact is that it's not the only way to fix things. See the EU WCS for proof. The problem lies in how bad and multifaceted the mess is. I know people don't like to hear this, but it's more and more difficult to accept these as legitimate results. There were just so many DQs or other messy situations in later stages which influences who played who, while the tournament didn't give everyone an equitable chance in the first place. I don't think anyone should rush to deem the qualifiers invalid but it's starting to be a realistic talking point where the pros and cons need to be weighed carefully. As for Plansix, he has been weirdly jaded about the whole issue from the get-go. Don't know what's up with him, but he is spamming posts like mad that no-one seems to make heads or tails of. | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:28 yrt123 wrote: Or don't limit spots for such an important qualifier... especially when theres only one that you will be bloody locked into through I think spots shouldn't be limited. But it's not fair to the pros if everyone is allowed a free registration. I don't think any pro should have to go through a 2048 man bracket just so everyone can join. It should be unlimited spots but only better than X points masters players (just like the Code A qualifiers). | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:24 Type|NarutO wrote: It doesn't. Make it a unlimited player tournament and let even newbies try themselves. Its a good thing and it does raise the community. Chance to play a pro? Always good. Chance of beating him ? Next to none anyways. It really wouldn't have hurt anyone and the FEW BYEs you get from it ... really, you cannot be serious. Do you really see the low-league players that participated as the problen here? Can only be a joke You need to consider the time it would take to run an "unlimited tournament" considering this is only one of many. It also costs money to advertise and run it, on top of the other tournaments these organizations had already prepared for. I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but you need to draw a line somewhere. A small fee would at least keep the amount of non-competitive/screw-around types from wasting time and taking up space. Its one thing to play and lose for kicks in a free tournament, it another to knowingly throw money away for no reason. | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:32 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: You need to consider the time it would take to run an "unlimited tournament" considering this is only one of many. It also costs money to advertise and run it, on top of the other tournaments these organizations had already prepared for. I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but you need to draw a line somewhere. A small fee would at least keep the amount of non-competitive/screw-around types from wasting time and taking up space. Its one thing to play and lose for kicks in a free tournament, it another to knowingly throw money away for no reason. See lots of the above posts. But 10 dollars to play Oz? Gladly, I'd tell that story to everyone I play SC2 with. I would be the non-competitve/screw-around type you don't want taking up space. | ||
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
is a great idea. Much better than fees in my opinion. GSL had it right in that regard. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On April 22 2013 15:58 ConGee wrote: It still would have been more fair than what ended up happening. Any foreign player who's good enough to viably compete in the tournament would have had enough funding. You don't think that iG would have been able to cover the costs of their players? Sure, NA would have more low leveled players than anywhere else in the world, but at least it would remove the scheduling fiasco we ran into. Of course, the better idea would have been just to disallow players who were lower than xx00 points masters and the entire thing wouldn't have turned into such a terrible sham. They should have taken the esl-format... a $20,-- entreefee with a 512 playercap does not stop anybody from trolling and will still fill the bracket up with amateur leaving semipros out. And it does stop very good players from competing because they cant spare that or someone else takes there spot. Its saying like if your poor or do not live in a western country u cant compete. Is that fair? I think not. The ESL format proved itself, no entreefee works fine. yes big tournaments, takes a while, viewers happy | ||
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yrt123
Singapore1246 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:30 convention wrote: I think spots shouldn't be limited. But it's not fair to the pros if everyone is allowed a free registration. I don't think any pro should have to go through a 2048 man bracket just so everyone can join. It should be unlimited spots but only better than X points masters players (just like the Code A qualifiers). I agree. If someone is not putting in the hours to get that master points they are obviously not gonna do anything at all in the qualifier. No point for lowbies to make things more difficult for everyone. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:32 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: You need to consider the time it would take to run an "unlimited tournament" considering this is only one of many. It also costs money to advertise and run it, on top of the other tournaments these organizations had already prepared for. I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but you need to draw a line somewhere. A small fee would at least keep the amount of non-competitive/screw-around types from wasting time and taking up space. Its one thing to play and lose for kicks in a free tournament, it another to knowingly throw money away for no reason. ESL ran 2 unlimited qualifiers I think and two 1024 player qualifiers. It doesn't take that much time really. What do you expect how many people sign up? Its very rare to even see a 2048 player grid that is completely filled. If you would actually have a good bracket where players can report... it really isn't that hard. There is absolutely no reason for a fee. Don't you think MLG got enough $ to begin with? Especially considering Blizzard is probably paying them to run it. ESL ran the qualifiers smooth, MLG did not. I don't see one valid point for a fee. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:20 feanor1 wrote: It does, it prevent hundreds of people who have no shot of qualifying from taking up spots and making the whole event a clusterfuck. If I am in gold and the tournament is free why not enter, if it cost $5-$10, screw that I am not wasting my money. Show me proof that asking a fee gets the rubbish players out of tournaments. Because I would gladly pay $20,-- as a goldleagueplayer to have to chance to play against alive or jyp etc.etc. pretty cheap and i can say that ive gotten 4gated by a korean pro and i make a vod of it with me starring in it  Asking for cash does not imply that playersnumbers will drop below 512... The only reason why the fee was there was so that mlg could make more money... because everyone knows a fee doesnt allways decrease participants below 512 when i can play against a korean pro.... | ||
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