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On April 22 2013 13:54 EZSkull wrote:
Has MLG(anyone at MLG) made some sort of announcement about the backlash they are getting? It's not like they have only been getting it for a few hours today, they have been getting it since this started, and the only thing I've seen, is Sundance playing defense and acting like nothing went wrong.
It will be a replay announcement...so the announcement is done today but u will see it in about two weeks orso
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On April 22 2013 13:58 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 13:54 EZSkull wrote:
Has MLG(anyone at MLG) made some sort of announcement about the backlash they are getting? It's not like they have only been getting it for a few hours today, they have been getting it since this started, and the only thing I've seen, is Sundance playing defense and acting like nothing went wrong. It will be a replay announcement...so the announcement is done today but u will see it in about two weeks orso
Well played sir, well played
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On April 22 2013 13:53 Shew wrote:
Not sure if this has been touched on in this thread yet, but can we please make it a big point about the lack of another qualifier for challenger league?
Originally the format was two 256 player qualifiers. The first qualifier is for premiere and top 8 qualify, the second is for challenger and top 16 qualify.
Now it is just one 512 player qualifier, and they'll take the scraps that didn't qualify for premiere and place them in a 1 match qualifier to determine challenger league.
So basically, if you got bad bracket luck, couldn't play because of a prior engagement (re: life), or had a bad day, you are fucked for the entire season. Better luck in the ONE (1) qualifier next season.
This should really be looked into greatly. Some people didn't even get a spot in the 512 qualifier, so even if they were there and ready that day, they were not allowed because of the player cap. It basically turned into an invitational at that point. Really disappointed in everything so far, it is extremely demoralizing as a player.
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Yes the Challenger qualifiers pretty badly need to be separated from this mess. Split them into multiple qualifiers, have it open, maybe league requirements if too many no-shows, etc. Hopefully they make the right decision in them at least.
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You guys complained about an entry fee and they got rid of it. See what happened?
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On April 22 2013 14:13 Lunares wrote:
You guys complained about an entry fee and they got rid of it. See what happened?
Yeah, because all of these problems stem from that.
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On April 22 2013 14:15 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 14:13 Lunares wrote:
You guys complained about an entry fee and they got rid of it. See what happened? Yeah, because all of these problems stem from that.
Wouldn't have to deal with the massive influx of diamond level players at the least.
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They don't give a damn about us
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On April 22 2013 14:18 ConGee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 14:15 Superiorwolf wrote:On April 22 2013 14:13 Lunares wrote:
You guys complained about an entry fee and they got rid of it. See what happened? Yeah, because all of these problems stem from that. Wouldn't have to deal with the massive influx of diamond level players at the least.
If only there were another way to solve that. Maybe one can look at a certain big korean league that solved this issue season 1, and never had any problem with it.
Just let players with a certain amount of pts have priority to join the qualifiers. Or have more/bigger events. MLG's choice really.
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On April 22 2013 14:13 Lunares wrote:
You guys complained about an entry fee and they got rid of it. See what happened?
Obviously the barrier to entry should have been being a Master with some appropriately high number of points, just like for the GSL Code A qualifiers.
Edit: Ah, beaten. 
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On April 22 2013 13:47 MrMedic wrote:
This tournament has just ended up in failure, hopefully they will learn from their mistakes and make WCS season 2 better.
There will be no qualifier for season 2 premier league, only for challenger...
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On April 22 2013 11:41 QuanticHwangSin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 11:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:36 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:34 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 AgentW wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were:  JYP, Sage,  hendralisk, Miya,  Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When people dropped down from Winner Round 6, they came in in an order 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and then they arranged them to play 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 (they flipped them so no one would play someone they already played, I think). They accidentally put it something like 8 7 6 4 5 3 2 1 (mixing up Miya and Apoc) so they had you playing Miya instead of Apoc. Can someone confirm this? they accidentally did it 8 7 4 5 6 3 2 1 instead of 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 but yes what you are saying is correct so, what is the real story then? am I wrong in this situation?? if I am, i will say sorry for make you confused. MLG is right and you were supposed to play Apocalypse On April 22 2013 11:37 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:31 QuanticHwangSin wrote:On April 22 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:I SOLVED THE CASE OF THE BROKEN BRACKETThe current bracket is actually how it is supposed to be. If you look at winners' round 6 from top to bottom, you see that the players eliminated were: JYP, Sage, hendralisk, Miya, Badcop, Apocalypse, Demuslim, and Petraeus. These players were then dropped into losers' round 10 but arranged in the opposite order. Top bracket to bottom: Patraeus, Demuslim, etc... However, the original bracket swapped Miya and Apocalypse. MLG corrected this mistake and the bracket they used tonight was correct. Sorry Hwangsin. You were supposed to play Apocalypse the whole time Can you explain me why I needed to play against apoc for whole time?? I just want to know it When the bracket was generated Miya and Apocalypse were put in the wrong spot. Apocalypse was supposed to be in your bracket and Miya was supposed to be in Heart's. This pattern is consistent with the rest of the seeding in the round. You had to play the person who lost between Apocalyse and Crank in the winners' bracket, and it was Apocalypse. Sorry you had to play your friend  So was the error on Liquipedia's end or MGLs? I am going to laugh real hard if someone just fucked on updating Liquipedia and it cause everyone to go all conspiracy theory on MLG. not sure. could be either one ah okay, sorry for make you busy with this. I was preparing for play against Miya for whole night and even I was dreaming that i play PvZ with a strategy. But then I needed to play against Apoc who is one of my best friend in the world, also team member. I really wanted to him make a spot on premier with great performance but when I saw the changed bracket, I was like "wtf is it.... wtf.. wtf..... " I couldn't think anything then, I and Apoc are really need to win something like WCS since we have no Dreamhack, GSL etc. but anyway, If MLG was correct, I want to say sorry.
Shit dude I'm sorry. From playing you in tourneys + ladder (read: getting stomped by you 2-3 times) you're a really nice dude and this sucks.
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On April 22 2013 14:18 ConGee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 14:15 Superiorwolf wrote:On April 22 2013 14:13 Lunares wrote:
You guys complained about an entry fee and they got rid of it. See what happened? Yeah, because all of these problems stem from that. Wouldn't have to deal with the massive influx of diamond level players at the least.
The problem with fees are the impact of the globalfee oon certain regions. I.e. A South american, Chinese or a Russian will have to pay more to participate then someone from North America. As for them 20 bucks is worth more then for someone out of NA. There's your problem. The feeheight will exclude players from certain regions to participate. As the NA-region is bigger then NA itself and blizzard tries to spread koreans and other gamers over the world, a fee is almost not viable.
The EU didnt have a fee and didnt have problems like mlg either. Yes if it was regionlocked for NA-residents-only a fee would have been viable (because everybody has the same currency), but there are more countries on sc2-NA-region that are not as rich as NA is...
edit : i.e. the big mac index.. how much a big mac costs for local residents by PPP (purchasing power parity). I am not an economist, but i like big macs and graphs alot
http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index
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WCS America:
Brackets not updated
Losers bracket mess (its a mess, and its a losers bracket. Remove losers brackets please, they suck).
Adverts randomly during games (and Twitch mods who ban you when you call them out on this).
Mess with Chinese players.
1 stream (I'd prefer multiple and watch other games like in the EU one).
HyuN mess.
Do not like.
Please improve drastically.
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a 512 person bracket had a few hiccups. who would have guessed?
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http://www.twitch.tv/nasltv/b/394076189
MrBitter says it all. The fact that there is only one qualifier and people were DQed in the final brackets completely corrupts and invalidates this tournament from start to finish. MLG needs to add another 2 qualifiers and deal with it because they screwed up.
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So much failure in a span of 2 days. Wow. EU qualifiers was 10x better than this.
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Now to give another perspective, apart from being WCS which is already fucking important think of it this way. That was 2 day, double elimination bo3 online tournament for +12,000$ !!! This is already huge prize pool for an online event and that is only the $$ Going into Code S(NA) is much more, you stay there for one more season at least because you are thrown back next season to Coda A, so even more money. I wonder if MLG would fuck it up so badly if it was their own money being paid out.
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On April 22 2013 14:13 Lunares wrote:
You guys complained about an entry fee and they got rid of it. See what happened?
I will run it for MLG, free, with grid on paper and I will do a better job
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It's amazing how MLG can be such a great show when it's their money on the line. The second they get a check cut from blizzard they drop the ball in colossal fashion. Such a sad state of affairs. I really hope MLG can get their shit together and go back to the way they used to be.
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