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On April 22 2013 17:53 Sjokola wrote:
It's weird that it seems like they just did something without really thinking about it and preparing accordingly. These are mistakes you'd expect from a first time organiser. Not a team who has done a lot of open brackets before.
Offline is different. Online seems more hectic to me. I wonder how many admins esl had on that day of 2048...
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On April 22 2013 12:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:24 geokilla wrote:On April 22 2013 12:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:41 m4inbrain wrote:
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And so it starts again. F'ing up brackets and letting Hyun compete was of course not their fault. It was mine. I apologize.
[quote] You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough. If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it. Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important! I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen. Because working at a law firm makes you perfect... I know people who work in a law firm and are dumb as fuck. In the post before that one I admit to making mistakes while working at the law firm. You might have missed that.
Hey I can see the fear in you. "what will happen to this shitstorm when I go to sleep, ooooh nooooeees" I guess no one is left to defend the horrible actions of MLG. Woopdiiidooo, this thread will derail stop resisting.
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On April 22 2013 17:57 SayTT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 12:24 geokilla wrote:On April 22 2013 12:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:48 Plansix wrote:
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You know I work in law and we submit things to the court all the time. Two weeks ago I submitted something with the wrong caption(header to a court document) and my attorney got called on it in open court. You know what he said: "My paralegal must have made a mistake, but the facts of the motion are 100% correct" And the Judge responded that it happens to everyone if they do this long enough.
If it is good enough for Court, it is good enough for MLG. People make mistakes, in both law and SC2 events. Get over it.
Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important! I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen. Because working at a law firm makes you perfect... I know people who work in a law firm and are dumb as fuck. In the post before that one I admit to making mistakes while working at the law firm. You might have missed that. Hey I can see the fear in you. "what will happen to this shitstorm when I go to sleep, ooooh nooooeees" I guess no one is left to defend the horrible actions of MLG. Woopdiiidooo, this thread will derail stop resisting.
Resistance is futile!
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mlg has no competition , they do whatever they want and milk our money
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
Well damn, I never realised it was as bad as this.
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was there any other notable players from na or kr also got shafted by the first come first served queue for 512 players?
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On April 22 2013 18:03 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 17:57 SayTT wrote:On April 22 2013 12:26 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 12:24 geokilla wrote:On April 22 2013 12:09 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 12:06 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 govie wrote:On April 22 2013 11:53 Plansix wrote:On April 22 2013 11:50 govie wrote:
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Tell that to the progamers that need to feed there families, mlg is so freaking selfish. And now there stuck... There are professional gamers out there with 5 hungry children trying to make ends meet? Why are they trying to feed their hungry children by playing SC2? Because its there fucking job! Well this fictional SC2 player with 5 hungry children should get a different job so he can feed them? Seriously, you are going to make the "He can't feed his babies because of what MLG did to him!" argument? U really do not understand do you? how old are you really? U pay rent/mortgage, then u must know why the job and getting payed is important! I have both. As previously stated I work at a law firm. And sometimes I make mistakes at both and people get over it. Sometimes it even costs people money. It happens and we all move on, understanding that no one meant for the mistake to happen. Because working at a law firm makes you perfect... I know people who work in a law firm and are dumb as fuck. In the post before that one I admit to making mistakes while working at the law firm. You might have missed that. Hey I can see the fear in you. "what will happen to this shitstorm when I go to sleep, ooooh nooooeees" I guess no one is left to defend the horrible actions of MLG. Woopdiiidooo, this thread will derail stop resisting. Resistance is futile!
haha yes, he has nightmares right now 
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On April 22 2013 17:47 yrt123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 17:24 Frankon wrote:
Been thinking about this issue while drinking coffee at work.
The way MLG run this qualifier works perfectly with what i believe is there current business plan for SC2 - create a event with invited know names and sell it as "premiere", "best players" to its viewers. Ok, thats their business model and it works for them. Sadly they wanted to use the same model for WCS NA (with Blizzard approval)
Lets analyse this NA qualifier from the start (Note: i might be wrong about some parts)
At first it was a RO256 double elimination bracket with 18,95$ entry fee - with 60-80 spots reserved for knows pro players (decided upon MLG) for 8 spots in Premier Division
and another RO256 double elimination bracket for the contender division (what ever its called.... lets just say Code A from now on).
After much public outcry and EU qualifiers they changed it to RO512 which people believed was only for the Premier division spots but in reality it was for both the premier and code A. They removed the fee but kept the 60-80 reserved spots for the pro-gamers to hand out.
So far so good. Now lets see the qualifiers tournament mechanics.
The way that MLG online tournament system works is that the players are checked into the bracket based on the time they registered for a tournament. So as long as you are one of the first to registered you are all OK to go.
Imagine you registered you see you are registered with number like... 440 or more. You are thinking ok im set up and ready. Wait till check in. Click chack in and see... Cool im number 5 after check in. Im so sure im in a bracket. The times goes on and rest of the people checked it. Ok i should still be fine. I was the 440 player registered and 5 to check in. And then it hits you that MLG just put 60-80 seeds before you and you are 500++ player registered and sadly out of bracket despite early check in.
The situation above happened to the Chinese players. Yes i know it was their fault that they didn't read the fine print of MLG gambattles that the bracket is populated based on register time not check in time (like rest of tournaments in the world). But the MLG system is used only be (sorry if i offend some people) by platinum or lower players who play in those tournaments for mlg points (btw so you won't feel offended im myself a wood league player).
As the result the MLG got what they wanted. The players that were seeded into those reserved 60-80 spots got the 8 spots in premiere league. MLG got its stars to show us and keep their viewers numbers. We should all be happy? But some of the mistakes are inexcusable. 512 slots on a first come first serve basis anyone can join? Come on they are professionals. They shoukd not be so naieve to believe it will allow the fairest and best to compete. Surely some will be left out. Admins also gave out misinformation. They say Chinese players were in but actually they were not...
I want to repeat this again - there is nothing "unfair" about a first come first serve basis. It's egalitarian and has clearly defined rules - you signed up first, you get to play. Maybe you think people who play this game "professionally" (take this with a pinch of salt, as I'm sure many of them do something else) deserve to jump the queue. Cool, it's an opinion, and a valid opinion, but an opinion nonetheless.
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On April 22 2013 17:24 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 16:58 ilikeredheads wrote:
So should I expect Sundance to appear on SotG and say "I get it. MLG fucked up the qualifiers. It sucks, and I fucking get it"?
At this point, the qualifiers are a farce and all MLG has done is display its total incompetence. I cannot believe that in 2013 I firmly believe that NASL could pull a better show than MLG. I mean, ask me this 2 years ago.
Agreed. Sadly I don't even know if they would change anything even if they agree on the fact that they fucked up.
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On April 22 2013 19:03 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 17:47 yrt123 wrote:On April 22 2013 17:24 Frankon wrote:
Been thinking about this issue while drinking coffee at work.
The way MLG run this qualifier works perfectly with what i believe is there current business plan for SC2 - create a event with invited know names and sell it as "premiere", "best players" to its viewers. Ok, thats their business model and it works for them. Sadly they wanted to use the same model for WCS NA (with Blizzard approval)
Lets analyse this NA qualifier from the start (Note: i might be wrong about some parts)
At first it was a RO256 double elimination bracket with 18,95$ entry fee - with 60-80 spots reserved for knows pro players (decided upon MLG) for 8 spots in Premier Division
and another RO256 double elimination bracket for the contender division (what ever its called.... lets just say Code A from now on).
After much public outcry and EU qualifiers they changed it to RO512 which people believed was only for the Premier division spots but in reality it was for both the premier and code A. They removed the fee but kept the 60-80 reserved spots for the pro-gamers to hand out.
So far so good. Now lets see the qualifiers tournament mechanics.
The way that MLG online tournament system works is that the players are checked into the bracket based on the time they registered for a tournament. So as long as you are one of the first to registered you are all OK to go.
Imagine you registered you see you are registered with number like... 440 or more. You are thinking ok im set up and ready. Wait till check in. Click chack in and see... Cool im number 5 after check in. Im so sure im in a bracket. The times goes on and rest of the people checked it. Ok i should still be fine. I was the 440 player registered and 5 to check in. And then it hits you that MLG just put 60-80 seeds before you and you are 500++ player registered and sadly out of bracket despite early check in.
The situation above happened to the Chinese players. Yes i know it was their fault that they didn't read the fine print of MLG gambattles that the bracket is populated based on register time not check in time (like rest of tournaments in the world). But the MLG system is used only be (sorry if i offend some people) by platinum or lower players who play in those tournaments for mlg points (btw so you won't feel offended im myself a wood league player).
As the result the MLG got what they wanted. The players that were seeded into those reserved 60-80 spots got the 8 spots in premiere league. MLG got its stars to show us and keep their viewers numbers. We should all be happy? But some of the mistakes are inexcusable. 512 slots on a first come first serve basis anyone can join? Come on they are professionals. They shoukd not be so naieve to believe it will allow the fairest and best to compete. Surely some will be left out. Admins also gave out misinformation. They say Chinese players were in but actually they were not... I want to repeat this again - there is nothing "unfair" about a first come first serve basis. It's egalitarian and has clearly defined rules - you signed up first, you get to play. Maybe you think people who play this game "professionally" (take this with a pinch of salt, as I'm sure many of them do something else) deserve to jump the queue. Cool, it's an opinion, and a valid opinion, but an opinion nonetheless.
It is unfair in a sense that stronger players don't get to advance and it's much more luck based.
By your logic, randomly drawing 8 players from sign ups would not be "unfair" to anyone, as everyone would get equal chance. However, some players are better and it should be normal for them to have a better chance at advancing [ie playing the game].
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On April 22 2013 16:58 ilikeredheads wrote:
So should I expect Sundance to appear on SotG and say "I get it. MLG fucked up the qualifiers. It sucks, and I fucking get it"?
At this point, the qualifiers are a farce and all MLG has done is display its total incompetence.
And what else do you expect him to do?
Damage is done but it's time to move on.
Community may express all the anger it wants but in the end there is no fixing things without producing even more issues.
And even if people had serious changes in mind they have no way to pressure MLG/Blizzard into any sort of compliance.
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On April 22 2013 19:16 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 16:58 ilikeredheads wrote:
So should I expect Sundance to appear on SotG and say "I get it. MLG fucked up the qualifiers. It sucks, and I fucking get it"?
At this point, the qualifiers are a farce and all MLG has done is display its total incompetence. And what else do you expect him to do? Damage is done but it's time to move on. Community may express all the anger it wants but in the end there is no fixing things without producing even more issues. And even if people had serious changes in mind they have no way to pressure MLG/Blizzard into any sort of compliance.
No its not. This is supposed to be progaming. They are killing progaming in the first tournament they organize, something has to be done.
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On April 22 2013 18:09 Killmouse wrote:
mlg has no competition , they do whatever they want and milk our money
Unless you are a subscriber, you aren't giving them any money and it's doubtful that their sc2 business is profitable
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I think MLG have earned the benefit of doubt here. They made mistakes and I'm sure they'll own them and try to make it better. Since when did MLG become the devil in people's eyes?
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I hope TL writes a piece on this to explain exactly what went wrong, with statements from MLG/Blizzard/Quantic/Chinese players and so on, because I'm confused. :o
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Can't wait to read that 
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Does CombatEX quit being a SC2 pro?????
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Usually I go very easy on organizations that try to raise community, but this time I answered that tweet with:
Silvano Bovo @NarutOSC2 now
@MLGSundance Calling it 'not perfect' is an insult to the community to begin with.
Really I hope they are not trying to get away easy and try to make up for that at least, no clue how, but I hope they got a good answer.
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On April 22 2013 18:09 Killmouse wrote:
mlg has no competition , they do whatever they want and milk our money
Go go NASL
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EPT
