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MAZ3
Profile Joined February 2013
United States1 Post
April 16 2013 22:17 GMT
#101
I feel bad for moonglade. 2 terrans so far thats rough.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
April 16 2013 22:22 GMT
#102
On April 17 2013 07:17 MAZ3 wrote:
I feel bad for moonglade. 2 terrans so far thats rough.


Really? I don't feel bad for him at all, he's in one of only 2 groups that doesn't have a korean or Sen.
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
April 16 2013 22:23 GMT
#103
Nice to finally see the groups, they seem to be a lot weaker than I thought but we still have another player in each group I guess.

I really hope this isn't full replays and is at least live or very close to live games.
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
April 16 2013 22:24 GMT
#104
The groups weren't made entirely at random, right? There's a clear pattern.

Sen, moonglade and snute were probably put in the same pool as the koreans when making the groups, that's really "fortunate" for them. I can't say I like groups being made deliberately by MLG.
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
April 16 2013 22:27 GMT
#105
On April 17 2013 07:24 bertu wrote:
The groups weren't made entirely at random, right? There's a clear pattern.

Sen, moonglade and snute were probably put in the same pool as the koreans when making the groups, that's really "fortunate" for them. I can't say I like groups being made deliberately by MLG.


yeah bceause doing random groups would be so good for competition
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 16 2013 22:27 GMT
#106
On April 17 2013 07:24 bertu wrote:
The groups weren't made entirely at random, right? There's a clear pattern.

Sen, moonglade and snute were probably put in the same pool as the koreans when making the groups, that's really "fortunate" for them. I can't say I like groups being made deliberately by MLG.

yeah it's 2 American region invites and 1 nonamerican invite per group
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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
April 16 2013 22:31 GMT
#107
On April 17 2013 07:27 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 07:24 bertu wrote:
The groups weren't made entirely at random, right? There's a clear pattern.

Sen, moonglade and snute were probably put in the same pool as the koreans when making the groups, that's really "fortunate" for them. I can't say I like groups being made deliberately by MLG.


yeah bceause doing random groups would be so good for competition


If this is the order of the groups, by putting the Koreans always in the last place, they made sure that the additional player who comes from the qualifier, who will likely be Korean, plays the Korean in the first round in the GSL format, thus ensuring that a Korean always goes to the loser's match.

That's a good way to stack the competition in favor of foreigners.
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
April 16 2013 22:34 GMT
#108
On April 17 2013 07:27 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 07:24 bertu wrote:
The groups weren't made entirely at random, right? There's a clear pattern.

Sen, moonglade and snute were probably put in the same pool as the koreans when making the groups, that's really "fortunate" for them. I can't say I like groups being made deliberately by MLG.


yeah bceause doing random groups would be so good for competition


It wouldn't be great for viewers, but it would be more fair for the players.

I am not against a seeding system, as long as there is an objective, skill-based criteria for seeding. Maybe there was one for this tournament, but nothing was published.

I mean, there is a gigantic advantage being placed in the same seed position as the korean players. You can argue that scarlett, huk and idra are better players than sen, moonglade and snute and should have that advantage if the seeding was skill based. If there was a point system based on results that showed the later to be better, that would be fine as well. I don't like deliberate seeding in a tournament, for the sake of integrity.

Making an arbitrary criteria (NA citizens., non-NA citizens) ended up being really unfair to the good NA players and fortunate as fuck for non-NA. That's even against the spirit of hosting regional based WCS.
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snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
April 16 2013 22:36 GMT
#109
hero, scarlett, idra, suppy, nestea, theognis, huk, illusion.
betting with my heart.
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My religion is Starcraft
stew_
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada239 Posts
April 16 2013 22:49 GMT
#110
how's group 3 even close to group of death? it'll be polt+whoever makes it out of qualifiers
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Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
April 16 2013 22:52 GMT
#111
Group 1 hardest, Group 2 second hardest.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 16 2013 22:56 GMT
#112
On April 17 2013 04:19 Schelim wrote:
those groups are not very balanced. Idra is looking pretty dead already, Scarlett and Major (the two best NA players) might not even make it out of the first round, meanwhile you got at least one out of Vibe, Theognis and Snute making it to ro16.

Well Vibe is technically in the top two best NA players as he finished second to Scarlett at WCS NA. Not to mention Snute is probably better than Major (beating Life at IPL/winning Homestory as compared to achievements of Major.)
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Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
April 16 2013 23:02 GMT
#113
[QUOTE]On April 17 2013 07:34 bertu wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 17 2013 07:27 nkr wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 17 2013 07:24 bertu wrote:
You can argue that scarlett, huk and idra are better players than sen, moonglade and snute [/QUOTE]


What possible argument can you make for Sen not being better than all of the above exactly?
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 16 2013 23:04 GMT
#114
On April 17 2013 07:31 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 07:27 nkr wrote:
On April 17 2013 07:24 bertu wrote:
The groups weren't made entirely at random, right? There's a clear pattern.

Sen, moonglade and snute were probably put in the same pool as the koreans when making the groups, that's really "fortunate" for them. I can't say I like groups being made deliberately by MLG.


yeah bceause doing random groups would be so good for competition


If this is the order of the groups, by putting the Koreans always in the last place, they made sure that the additional player who comes from the qualifier, who will likely be Korean, plays the Korean in the first round in the GSL format, thus ensuring that a Korean always goes to the loser's match.

That's a good way to stack the competition in favor of foreigners.


Because they know thats what brings in the most viewers basically. Whenever a good foreigner goes up against a korean.

Its sad but true.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
April 16 2013 23:08 GMT
#115
pretty good groups so far. Everything will rest on who comes through the qualifiers.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
April 16 2013 23:09 GMT
#116
One non-NA player per group, let's see whether they manage to advance! :D Snute fighting!
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 16 2013 23:14 GMT
#117
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 23:16:21
April 16 2013 23:15 GMT
#118
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andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
April 16 2013 23:16 GMT
#119
Wow Group 3 is gonna be sic. Go Polt!
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
April 16 2013 23:19 GMT
#120
[QUOTE]On April 17 2013 08:02 Irre wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 17 2013 07:34 bertu wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 17 2013 07:27 nkr wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 17 2013 07:24 bertu wrote:
You can argue that scarlett, huk and idra are better players than sen, moonglade and snute [/QUOTE]


What possible argument can you make for Sen not being better than all of the above exactly?
[/QUOTE]

I personally think that Sen is better than all of the above and he would deserve a skill-based seed (idra and huk had historically better results, but that was along ago; scarlett was really close to him in recent skill). The problem is that reason he got the korean seed isn't necessarily because he was better. It happened to be a coincidence. You can't say the same about moonglade and snute, for sure.


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