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Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 11:54:36
April 19 2013 11:54 GMT
#221
On April 18 2013 17:56 TheShimmy wrote:
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On April 18 2013 13:07 Shinta) wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:42 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:
On April 18 2013 04:52 Shinta) wrote:
I don't understand why people are calling this so weak?... Almost all of these players are really strong...
They aren't top GSL material for the most part, but the Koreans playing this aren't either....

We call it weak because blizzard's new WCS system is telling us that this tournament is on par with GSL code S, and none of these players would or could make this season's GSL code S.

This what happens when you try to put the regions on equal footing when the players within those regions are nowhere near equal.

No, this is what happens when a bunch of angry kids can't properly look at a situation.

There is 1 bad thing about this year's WCS. That's that GSL receives less Premier Division money than they used to.
On the contrary, the Contender Division is getting more money than Code A used to. Not by a whole lot, but it will be helping an additional 16 players make some money.

One thing to consider when looking at GSL; how it is now, how it was before, and compared to other eSports: this is a reasonable business model to help promote eSports as a profession.
Before, players would make a lot of money that they didn't need to be making in order to make a stable living. Now they'll be making an amount that is definitely still good enough for them to be making a stable living.
Please take note. A player doesn't need $40,000 for winning one single tournament. That's enough money to last a year, and those players don't need to pay for any living expenses or travel expenses anyways. That's just spending money for their pockets.
Now they are making $20,000. It's a good prize for a 1st place winner.

Another important note: Although 1st and 2nd place prize money dropped off (47k -> 20k | 19k -> 12k), prize money for 3rd-32nd place has increased
3rd/4th: 4.7k -> 7k
ro8: 2.8k -> 3.5k
ro16: 1.8k -> 2k
ro32: 1.4k -> 1.5k

You may not think of it as a huge deal, but everything is working towards career building and financial stability, rather than a hugely skewed "get rich quick" tournament.

Also, Contender Division (Code A) now gets prize money for 1st - 64th instead of 1st - 48th. AND that prize pool is very much significantly larger than the Contender Division for NA/EU.

This is to allow MORE Koreans to participate in GSL and receive some sort of income, rather than once again skewing the prize pool. Also, the prize pool for Code A was not reduced at all, but instead expanded to give more money to more people, whilst keeping the top prize pools for the top players.


Everything is for career building. Please don't ignorantly rant about how bad the new system is when the system actually isn't bad at all. And then stop ranting about how terrible WCS NA is when it's actually pretty darn good.


Not to mention sponsor money and team money. I like the new prize pool as well, and organizing SC2 in this manner really helps streamline fans to the best tourneys.


not to mention less tournaments in Korea = less money in total in Korea
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 11:56:00
April 19 2013 11:54 GMT
#222
On April 18 2013 08:06 govie wrote:
A fun fact : Did anyone believe that gumiho would 4-0 his group....

Everyone has a chance in the gsl format and there is plenty of time to prepare. There are gonna be upsets in every group for sure


I didn't expect Rain to beat Innovation but the 4-0 score over Rain and Hyun doesn't surprise me at all.

Gumiho is much better in TvP than Rain is and Hyun just wasn't up to the level of the rest of the group in the first place.

The only REAL shocker to me was Rain beating Innovation in the first series.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
April 19 2013 11:55 GMT
#223
On April 19 2013 20:53 opterown wrote:
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On April 19 2013 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
None of these are groups of death.

Each has a player that's favored to win and a player favored to lose.

but with an extra player in each group it could turn out interesting with e.g. 3 decent players and a scrub or something


Fair enough.

But as they stand none are groups of death to me.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 19 2013 11:56 GMT
#224
On April 19 2013 20:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
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On April 19 2013 20:53 opterown wrote:
On April 19 2013 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
None of these are groups of death.

Each has a player that's favored to win and a player favored to lose.

but with an extra player in each group it could turn out interesting with e.g. 3 decent players and a scrub or something


Fair enough.

But as they stand none are groups of death to me.

haha of course not considering how some GSL groups can get ;p
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 12:00:20
April 19 2013 11:59 GMT
#225
On April 19 2013 20:56 opterown wrote:
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On April 19 2013 20:55 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 19 2013 20:53 opterown wrote:
On April 19 2013 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
None of these are groups of death.

Each has a player that's favored to win and a player favored to lose.

but with an extra player in each group it could turn out interesting with e.g. 3 decent players and a scrub or something


Fair enough.

But as they stand none are groups of death to me.

haha of course not considering how some GSL groups can get ;p


The most lopsided Code S group this season is more competitive than the most competitive group of the ones listed here.

That's how bad the disparity is. Group 3 is currently leading the vote count for Group of Death and it's laughable to me because Polt is such a heavy favorite to get out of there.

The only real question mark for Group 3 is who will win between Idra and Goswser
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Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 12:15:46
April 19 2013 12:15 GMT
#226
Group 1 looks the most difficult group followed by Group 2 .

Why people are voting Group 3 is beyond me, as Idra is no longer a force in SC2 anymore and when you look at HOTS Terrans got stronger, ZvZ is almost random and his PvZ is really bad still with mentel issues. Polt is 100% to destroy that group unless a another Korean ends up in it from the qualifier
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 19:59:03
April 19 2013 19:58 GMT
#227
On April 19 2013 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
None of these are groups of death.

Each has a player that's favored to win and a player favored to lose.

I think you overestimate NesTea Polt and viOLet just because they are Korean. None of those players are top players in Korea right now, and can all be beaten just as easily as they can win (their group).

Also, Group 6 doesn't have a player that's favored to win and a player that's favored to lose.
Group 8 doesn't have a player that's favored to win either, only one that's favored to lose.


Edit: Not to mention what opera said, these aren't even complete groups yet...
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Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
April 19 2013 20:12 GMT
#228
On April 20 2013 04:58 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
None of these are groups of death.

Each has a player that's favored to win and a player favored to lose.

I think you overestimate NesTea Polt and viOLet just because they are Korean. None of those players are top players in Korea right now, and can all be beaten just as easily as they can win (their group).

Also, Group 6 doesn't have a player that's favored to win and a player that's favored to lose.
Group 8 doesn't have a player that's favored to win either, only one that's favored to lose.


Edit: Not to mention what opera said, these aren't even complete groups yet...

Got to work with what you got...but imo group 1 is the most undecided for a clear winner or loser and none are slouches.

I will update these soon as we know, btw, and add a new poll.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
April 19 2013 22:43 GMT
#229
On April 20 2013 04:58 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 20:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
None of these are groups of death.

Each has a player that's favored to win and a player favored to lose.

I think you overestimate NesTea Polt and viOLet just because they are Korean. None of those players are top players in Korea right now, and can all be beaten just as easily as they can win (their group).

Also, Group 6 doesn't have a player that's favored to win and a player that's favored to lose.
Group 8 doesn't have a player that's favored to win either, only one that's favored to lose.


Edit: Not to mention what opera said, these aren't even complete groups yet...


The only reason Polt isn't in the GSL right now is because he is studying in the US. That's his choice, were he actually competing in the GSL he'd be in Code S almost undoubtedly, so no I am not overestimating him, nor am I overestimating Violet.

Nestea is the only question mark in terms of whether or not he is still top Korean quality. Violet and Polt are way higher level than any of the foreigners seeded thus far.
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Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
April 21 2013 00:03 GMT
#230
I disagree, and that's without bias, since viOLet has been my favorite player since he was srs.viOLet.razer playing Orc in wc3, and Polt being the Terran I root for most.

I don't think Polt would be code S right now due to his current situation.
viOLet might be, but he'd probably get knocked out in the ro32 or 16 tops.
He's not in shape to beat the best.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 21 2013 00:16 GMT
#231
Why are they announcing semi groups when the qualifiers are still going on. WTH..
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 21 2013 01:39 GMT
#232
On April 21 2013 09:16 StarStruck wrote:
Why are they announcing semi groups when the qualifiers are still going on. WTH..

because each group is only going to have one player from the qualifiers.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 01:45:32
April 21 2013 01:45 GMT
#233
On April 21 2013 10:39 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 09:16 StarStruck wrote:
Why are they announcing semi groups when the qualifiers are still going on. WTH..

because each group is only going to have one player from the qualifiers.


Oh, I know that. This wreaks of posting more content. I would have wait like DH when the qualifiers were actually over and set in stone instead of adding to the pile of fluff. I mean you really want to talk about groups of death before you even see which players qualify in those positions? Give me a break.
1handsomE
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States199 Posts
April 22 2013 12:26 GMT
#234
Anyone else think the people from the qualifiers are going to top just about every group?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 22 2013 12:28 GMT
#235
On April 22 2013 21:26 1handsomE wrote:
Anyone else think the people from the qualifiers are going to top just about every group?

They shouldnt top the groups with Polt, viOLet, Ryung, HerO, and maybe Nestea. So they might top half the groups
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