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On April 17 2013 04:30 turdburgler wrote:
the overall quality is still so low, i dont see the wisdom in inviting a few token koreans. either go for the quality route and invite anyone who deserves the place or go for the 'growing esports' route and only invite NA nationals.
right now we have 2/3 low level players who are just going to get smashed out of groups and be forgotton about, getting little to know decent practice/exposure. and 2/3 koreans who are going to smash their groups, and then lose in the world finals due to lacking a decent practice environment.
Well, Blizzard said that next year, they'd like to do all events off line only to participate.
That means either two things for Koreans:
1. Either they have to move near where the tournament will be hosted to play in that tournament. In SotG, RootCatz mentions a good point with being fine if Koreans have to move to the Country they're in to play at that specific regional tournament (Koreans can help practice with foreigners, maybe in team houses there too, to help build the foreigner scene).
2. Or Koreans (with some sick sponsors) fly them back and forth from Korea to the WCS tournament whenever they have to play (which would probably be really really unlikely... not to mention they might as well just move there since most players have to play every week).
#2 is really unlikely but I only mention since technically it is possible >.>.
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So if I'm reading this right if Artosis got to play in all the groups he would have a 41,7% chance of making top 2 in at least one of the groups.
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Huk once again super lucky with groups.
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On April 17 2013 04:23 Topin wrote:
G1: major and killer in the same group... me dont like
G2: Idras vs Polt ... me like mucho
G5: IM team kill
^^ exact same sentiments right there
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i feel like if Artosis was seeded into this bracket he'd have a good chance of making it to ro16
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Goswser is 6-4 vs Polt. Last time he played Polt he barely lost 1-2 to him at MLG (and when I say barely, I mean he dropped the ball in a game he should have really won). The other sets he won 3-1 and 2-1.
So don't just automatically assume Polt is auto-win for his group ~.~
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On April 17 2013 12:10 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 10:11 Longtimer wrote:On April 17 2013 10:03 govie wrote:On April 17 2013 09:56 Longtimer wrote:On April 17 2013 09:50 govie wrote:
To what its worth : Ladderrankings dont say much. Yes polt crushes everyone on na ladder (and idra too). But idra can prepare, make a nce bo-win against polt etc. Hopefully, players are gonna analyse eachother and come up with insane to watch strategies customfit to there opponents!
#freeforall! How can you make a nice build order win (that will actually win you the game no matter what) against a player who has infinate better unit control and understanding of the game than yourself? Idra won't 6 pool, and Polt will identify overly greedy play right away. And no, this is not ment as an insult to Idra, it's ment as a praise for Polt. Unless Polt decides to chop off three of his fingers on his left hand before the matches, I can't see Idra even take a game off of him. Do u ever watch PL? Yes, I've been following Starcraft since 1999. Yes, you can snipe other players, but as far as I know Idra will be living on his own, at least for some time, which means he has to cook up a stategy all by himself. And as he has said before, that isn't his style at all. What could he do that can throw Polt off guard? Baneling busts? I've still not seen that work on Polt, even when he's playing cross server against the best korean GM players. Roach rush? The same. Rush up to Hive and Ultras? Good luck. Be my guest, he might of course be able to do that, but I'm not under the belief that Christmas lasts until Easter. Because living on your own means you can't talk and practice with other people!
Not sure if that's Idra's style, to be honest...
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On April 17 2013 17:21 HopLight wrote:
So if I'm reading this right if Artosis got to play in all the groups he would have a 41,7% chance of making top 2 in at least one of the groups.
If u dont take the artosis pylons in the equation ... yes
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tbh the only thing i am looking forward is to see Major's group, want to see how much he has improved since he joined team 8
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On April 17 2013 04:19 Schelim wrote:
those groups are not very balanced. Idra is looking pretty dead already, Scarlett and Major (the two best NA players) might not even make it out of the first round, meanwhile you got at least one out of Vibe, Theognis and Snute making it to ro16.
snute would make it out of any group without 2 koreans in it anyways (except with a top korean + scarlett/goswser since they are both good and it's zvz after all and even then i would give him a very good chance of advancing)
vibe was rank 2 wcs NA as far as i know (not that that means that much but it's the NA WCS after all)
and there is a good chance that a korean will fill the remaining slot so i don't understand what problem you have with that group
just because there is no korean in it yet? i think you can safely say that snute is on the level of a code a korean
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On April 17 2013 18:47 SniXSniPe wrote:
Goswser is 6-4 vs Polt. Last time he played Polt he barely lost 1-2 to him at MLG (and when I say barely, I mean he dropped the ball in a game he should have really won). The other sets he won 3-1 and 2-1.
So don't just automatically assume Polt is auto-win for his group ~.~
Unfortunately this neat expansion called Heart of the Swarm came out.
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Groups are looking pretty good so far, it's going to be tough to predict who makes it out of the groups.
I think it's interesting that we are seeing NA's groups before EU though.
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On April 17 2013 23:13 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 18:47 SniXSniPe wrote:
Goswser is 6-4 vs Polt. Last time he played Polt he barely lost 1-2 to him at MLG (and when I say barely, I mean he dropped the ball in a game he should have really won). The other sets he won 3-1 and 2-1.
So don't just automatically assume Polt is auto-win for his group ~.~ Unfortunately this neat expansion called Heart of the Swarm came out.
uhh what, this was from the last mlg HOTS?
Suprising we got the groups for na so fast.
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On April 18 2013 00:35 ROOTMinigun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 23:13 Rostam wrote:On April 17 2013 18:47 SniXSniPe wrote:
Goswser is 6-4 vs Polt. Last time he played Polt he barely lost 1-2 to him at MLG (and when I say barely, I mean he dropped the ball in a game he should have really won). The other sets he won 3-1 and 2-1.
So don't just automatically assume Polt is auto-win for his group ~.~ Unfortunately this neat expansion called Heart of the Swarm came out. uhh what, this was from the last mlg HOTS? Suprising we got the groups for na so fast.
Polt didn't play Goswser at the last MLG.
If you're referring to Goswser vs Bomber then yes I will freely admit that Goswser has a decent chance of beating Polt should Polt kill his own army with a nuke.
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where is demuslim can someone explain?
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On April 17 2013 23:06 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 04:19 Schelim wrote:
those groups are not very balanced. Idra is looking pretty dead already, Scarlett and Major (the two best NA players) might not even make it out of the first round, meanwhile you got at least one out of Vibe, Theognis and Snute making it to ro16. snute would make it out of any group without 2 koreans in it anyways (except with a top korean + scarlett/goswser since they are both good and it's zvz after all and even then i would give him a very good chance of advancing) vibe was rank 2 wcs NA as far as i know (not that that means that much but it's the NA WCS after all) and there is a good chance that a korean will fill the remaining slot so i don't understand what problem you have with that group just because there is no korean in it yet? i think you can safely say that snute is on the level of a code a korean
i don't know man. i think Snute is gonna crash and burn against any decent player (read: not the guys in that group) and i'm assuming he's gonna play from Europe and hence have lag. i don't know, i just don't think he has shown any results lately but maybe i just missed it.
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1. IdrA 2-0 4-0
2. HerO 2-1 4-3
3. Stephano 1-2 3-4
4. RorO 0-2 0-4
Ill just leave this here. Never count out the Grack. He's like MC. The more of you against him the stronger he becomes.
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On April 18 2013 04:11 Facimo wrote:
where is demuslim can someone explain?
As far as I know:
They fucked up, forgot him for the invitations, made up several nonsense cover-reasons and decided against admitting that they made a mistake and should apologize: -----> demuslim will play the qualifiers.
I find it really sad that arguably the best non-korean NA player is not included in this tournament, and really hope that Demu can manage to qualify.
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I don't understand why people are calling this so weak?... Almost all of these players are really strong...
They aren't top GSL material for the most part, but the Koreans playing this aren't either....
HerO will probably win, but I wouldn't be surprised if KiLLeR and/or MajOr gives him trouble.
viOLet is going to have a fuckin hard time and has a good chance to not advance.. I'd say he will, but still going to be so tough.
Polt I can very easily see getting 3rd in this group of 4.
NesTea should be able to take this, but Minigun and the 4th player might be able to take him out.
Ryung got "lucky" with his group being the most unknown/easiest but if he's not careful he could get forced down. I can see the qualifier here getting 1st and Ryung fighting for 2nd.
Every group is a tossup, with some players having favorable odds. Just watch for yourself, I can guarantee you it's not going to be so one sided.
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On April 18 2013 01:28 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2013 00:35 ROOTMinigun wrote:On April 17 2013 23:13 Rostam wrote:On April 17 2013 18:47 SniXSniPe wrote:
Goswser is 6-4 vs Polt. Last time he played Polt he barely lost 1-2 to him at MLG (and when I say barely, I mean he dropped the ball in a game he should have really won). The other sets he won 3-1 and 2-1.
So don't just automatically assume Polt is auto-win for his group ~.~ Unfortunately this neat expansion called Heart of the Swarm came out. uhh what, this was from the last mlg HOTS? Suprising we got the groups for na so fast. Polt didn't play Goswser at the last MLG. If you're referring to Goswser vs Bomber then yes I will freely admit that Goswser has a decent chance of beating Polt should Polt kill his own army with a nuke.
THIS.
plus didnt bomber hit some smaller groups of his own units a couple more times? =P
Bomber went into fun-explosions-mode for that 1 game; the better player was clear.
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