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On April 17 2013 02:28 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 02:19 Prog455 wrote:On April 17 2013 01:40 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 01:33 MVTaylor wrote:On April 17 2013 01:24 LighT. wrote:
It's essentially a trade off.
It's either..
DO YOU WANT MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER NATIONS OTHER THAN KOREA?
or....
DO YOU WANT TO SEE MORE HIGHER LEVEL COMPETITION? No it fucking isn't for god sake. Before this year WCS announcement we had the GSL and nothing for foreigners and after ti we STILL have the GSL, some tournaments MOSTLY for foreigners then 3 Seasonal Finals and 1 Yearly Grand final. So, we get more representatives from other countries, but obviously less than lass year AND we get more high level competition with more tournaments. No....youre wrong. So completely wrong You arent getting my freakin point. WCS: NA = 5 Seeds WCS: KR = 5 Seeds Although 5=5 may look like balance. IT ISNT. Am I complaining that there's a WCS:NA? NO. So dont bring that up. In the Seasons Finals and Blizzcon, by equating the seeds for each region, you're dropping off the level of competition. Tell me that a 5th place WCS:KR player is equivalent in skill to a 5th place of a WCS: EU Player. WCS: Korea or...might as well call it WCS: Asia CLEARLY deserves some sort of advantage or perks because it's the most competitive BY FAR. But there isnt. A Flash or a Rain = Goody? Thorzain?? Dont make me laugh. Again stressing my point: MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER NATIONS HAS A INVERT RELATIONHIP TO THE LEVEL OF COMPETITION IN THE SEASON FINALS. Get real dude. There is currently as many GSL Code S Gold medals in WCS EU Premier as there is in Code S. And why would you assume someone like Goody will be in top 5? It would more likely be something like: Mvp, MMM, Stephano, Naniwa (who made it to Code S ro8 twice in a row) and Ret. There is a pretty substantial difference between EU and NA, and quite of a few of the European players can beat Koreans, especially those Koreans who play in WCS NA. Oh..? Is that your argument? Since there's as many GSL Code S golde models as there is in Code S KR right now; suddenly its justified? Is that how it works in your model? I guess if you watn to perceive it that way... We can see that clearly MVP + 4 Euros is clearly superior to Flash/Rain/Innovation/Parting/Life/Bomber since they have a combined 1 Gold Medall in total Oh yes.. MMA..the washed up guy who hasnt done a thing for ages... Ahh who could forget Stephano..who put up a mere 50% winrate vs mid-tier koreans and got his butt kicked in Code S. Ret....ah yes ret...the guy who got completely demolished by Flash in MLG where it looked like a grand masters player vs a silver leaguer. Naniwa. I'll give you that. He's an unknown at the moment. Which is why I didnt list him. I respect his skill however. If blizzard thinks MVP + Naniwa + 3 either washed up Koreans or Euros = 5 Top Tier Code S players They're delusional.
I am not saying that Mvp, Naniwa or Stephano is equal to Flash, Rain, Innovation, Parting, Life or Bomber. What i am saying is that Besides those 6 players and Leenock, there is no one in Korea that top European players can't beat.
I would never complete count Mvp out - he may not be as good as he used to but he has been slumping before and managed to get back in the game. Same goes for Stephano. He is not doing quite as well as he used to, but he was proven several times that he can beat anyone, including Bomber in the finals of Lone Star Clash 2. MMA might be more of a wildcard, but i don't see why he should not be able to step up his game. especially with the new Medivac buff. Let me just remind you that Bomber was at one point considered the best at TvT in the world, but went into a slump much like MMA. Despite Bombers long slump, and the fact that he is among the most inconsistent progamers in SC2, you still think that he is miles ahead of MMA?
While those playing in WCS EU may not be top notch, there is quite a few who can take games of Koreans, and i'd say that top 5 in EU is atleast equal to low Code S.
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On April 17 2013 04:59 MCXD wrote:Points system is super, super terrible. Like, super unbelievably terrible. I could probably dedicate an article to picking apart all of the absolutely stupid things about it, but I won't (maybe), because it's not like going to all of that effort would change anything v_v I posted this a couple of weeks ago, anticipating that this is exactly what would happen, and it's still relevant: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=406081Every player currently in Code B (esp Korean) is completely fucked over, and every player in Code S is laughing, no questions asked, because Blizzard refused to be intelligent and creative with their point allocations and just went for the brain-dead approach that ignored the nature of tiering. Incredibly frustrating. I feel for the progamers who have to put up with it. Here's something else to put it into perspective: A player who wins a GSL then immediately drops out of the GSL still has a decent shot of getting to the season final; if they win that then disappears from the face of the earth (retires even) they will still have more points than a player who gets 4 consecutive 2nd place finishes in the GSL. Also a player who goes 0-4 in the Code S Ro32 and 0-2 in their first Code A match to fall straight to Code B, walks away with equal amounts of points as the players who won every single Code A match that season. Consistency, eh? That makes me laugh.
Youre misreading the point systems
A player who wins a GSL gets 1.5k points.
He'd also have to win the seasons finals = 3k points
and then he's pretty much locked in for grand finals
Also whoever qualifies for Code S from Code A will automatically get at least the Ro32 points too...
The point system is not that bad
Its the money and the allocation of seeds which is the problem.
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I wish they'd adhere more to the actual GSL system as they alluded to in the first announcements, especially when it comes to the qualifiers, Code A, and the Up and Downs. All these exceptions and different brandings for the various regions waters down the idea of this global system.
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On April 17 2013 05:38 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 02:28 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 02:19 Prog455 wrote:On April 17 2013 01:40 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 01:33 MVTaylor wrote:On April 17 2013 01:24 LighT. wrote:
It's essentially a trade off.
It's either..
DO YOU WANT MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER NATIONS OTHER THAN KOREA?
or....
DO YOU WANT TO SEE MORE HIGHER LEVEL COMPETITION? No it fucking isn't for god sake. Before this year WCS announcement we had the GSL and nothing for foreigners and after ti we STILL have the GSL, some tournaments MOSTLY for foreigners then 3 Seasonal Finals and 1 Yearly Grand final. So, we get more representatives from other countries, but obviously less than lass year AND we get more high level competition with more tournaments. No....youre wrong. So completely wrong You arent getting my freakin point. WCS: NA = 5 Seeds WCS: KR = 5 Seeds Although 5=5 may look like balance. IT ISNT. Am I complaining that there's a WCS:NA? NO. So dont bring that up. In the Seasons Finals and Blizzcon, by equating the seeds for each region, you're dropping off the level of competition. Tell me that a 5th place WCS:KR player is equivalent in skill to a 5th place of a WCS: EU Player. WCS: Korea or...might as well call it WCS: Asia CLEARLY deserves some sort of advantage or perks because it's the most competitive BY FAR. But there isnt. A Flash or a Rain = Goody? Thorzain?? Dont make me laugh. Again stressing my point: MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER NATIONS HAS A INVERT RELATIONHIP TO THE LEVEL OF COMPETITION IN THE SEASON FINALS. Get real dude. There is currently as many GSL Code S Gold medals in WCS EU Premier as there is in Code S. And why would you assume someone like Goody will be in top 5? It would more likely be something like: Mvp, MMM, Stephano, Naniwa (who made it to Code S ro8 twice in a row) and Ret. There is a pretty substantial difference between EU and NA, and quite of a few of the European players can beat Koreans, especially those Koreans who play in WCS NA. Oh..? Is that your argument? Since there's as many GSL Code S golde models as there is in Code S KR right now; suddenly its justified? Is that how it works in your model? I guess if you watn to perceive it that way... We can see that clearly MVP + 4 Euros is clearly superior to Flash/Rain/Innovation/Parting/Life/Bomber since they have a combined 1 Gold Medall in total Oh yes.. MMA..the washed up guy who hasnt done a thing for ages... Ahh who could forget Stephano..who put up a mere 50% winrate vs mid-tier koreans and got his butt kicked in Code S. Ret....ah yes ret...the guy who got completely demolished by Flash in MLG where it looked like a grand masters player vs a silver leaguer. Naniwa. I'll give you that. He's an unknown at the moment. Which is why I didnt list him. I respect his skill however. If blizzard thinks MVP + Naniwa + 3 either washed up Koreans or Euros = 5 Top Tier Code S players They're delusional. I am not saying that Mvp, Naniwa or Stephano is equal to Flash, Rain, Innovation, Parting, Life or Bomber. What i am saying is that Besides those 6 players and Leenock, there is no one in Korea that top European players can't beat. I would never complete count Mvp out - he may not be as good as he used to but he has been slumping before and managed to get back in the game. Same goes for Stephano. He is not doing quite as well as he used to, but he was proven several times that he can beat anyone, including Bomber in the finals of Lone Star Clash 2. MMA might be more of a wildcard, but i don't see why he should not be able to step up his game. especially with the new Medivac buff. Let me just remind you that Bomber was at one point considered the best at TvT in the world, but went into a slump much like MMA. Despite Bombers long slump, and the fact that he is among the most inconsistent progamers in SC2, you still think that he is miles ahead of MMA? While those playing in WCS EU may not be top notch, there is quite a few who can take games of Koreans, and i'd say that top 5 in EU is atleast equal to low Code S.
Last time I remember....all the euros dropped to Code B from GSL and the one Code S player who's playing for WCS EU (MC) isnt even in this season. I think youre seriously overrating the EU players (and seeing youre from denmark..I can understand the little bias) if you think they're at least low Code S. The most generous thing to say is that at best they're low code S material. That still doesnt justify giving them equal # of seedings as the koreans
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Dang I was holding out hope that they would give the Korean seasons a higher prize pool but nope this is just pretty freaking horrible. Korea gets literally nothing for this. This was pure charity for EU/NA. Korea already had these events. In fact they had more of and better versions of these events before Blizzard stepped in. There was most likely going to be 2 OSLs and there would have been an extra GSL. So they are losing 2 events. They are also losing a bunch of prize money per event.
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It’s still kinda confusing and way too top heavy :/
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This looks great! I personally admire Blizzard's decision to balance the Korea vs. Rest-of-the-world prize money distribution. Though I can also understand the arguments that this might skew the player pool in a way that results to unoptimal participant lists for the final tournaments.
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On April 17 2013 05:51 JJH777 wrote:
Dang I was holding out hope that they would give the Korean seasons a higher prize pool but nope this is just pretty freaking horrible. Korea gets literally nothing for this. This was pure charity for EU/NA. Korea already had these events. In fact they had more of and better versions of these events before Blizzard stepped in. There was most likely going to be 2 OSLs and there would have been an extra GSL. So they are losing 2 events. They are also losing a bunch of prize money per event.
How do you know that Blizzard caused there to be less events over all? Although there was a delay in the new season of GSL, that was mostly due to HotS. Considering that last year there were way to many events, this may be the exact number they planed to run this year.
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On April 17 2013 06:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 05:51 JJH777 wrote:
Dang I was holding out hope that they would give the Korean seasons a higher prize pool but nope this is just pretty freaking horrible. Korea gets literally nothing for this. This was pure charity for EU/NA. Korea already had these events. In fact they had more of and better versions of these events before Blizzard stepped in. There was most likely going to be 2 OSLs and there would have been an extra GSL. So they are losing 2 events. They are also losing a bunch of prize money per event. How do you know that Blizzard caused there to be less events over all? Although there was a delay in the new season of GSL, that was mostly due to HotS. Considering that last year there were way to many events, this may be the exact number they planed to run this year.
They already announced that they were going to do 4 GSLs. Now they are doing 3. That's one of the main reasons they let people get a refund on their yearly ticket.
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On April 17 2013 05:44 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 05:38 Prog455 wrote:On April 17 2013 02:28 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 02:19 Prog455 wrote:On April 17 2013 01:40 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 01:33 MVTaylor wrote:On April 17 2013 01:24 LighT. wrote:
It's essentially a trade off.
It's either..
DO YOU WANT MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER NATIONS OTHER THAN KOREA?
or....
DO YOU WANT TO SEE MORE HIGHER LEVEL COMPETITION? No it fucking isn't for god sake. Before this year WCS announcement we had the GSL and nothing for foreigners and after ti we STILL have the GSL, some tournaments MOSTLY for foreigners then 3 Seasonal Finals and 1 Yearly Grand final. So, we get more representatives from other countries, but obviously less than lass year AND we get more high level competition with more tournaments. No....youre wrong. So completely wrong You arent getting my freakin point. WCS: NA = 5 Seeds WCS: KR = 5 Seeds Although 5=5 may look like balance. IT ISNT. Am I complaining that there's a WCS:NA? NO. So dont bring that up. In the Seasons Finals and Blizzcon, by equating the seeds for each region, you're dropping off the level of competition. Tell me that a 5th place WCS:KR player is equivalent in skill to a 5th place of a WCS: EU Player. WCS: Korea or...might as well call it WCS: Asia CLEARLY deserves some sort of advantage or perks because it's the most competitive BY FAR. But there isnt. A Flash or a Rain = Goody? Thorzain?? Dont make me laugh. Again stressing my point: MORE REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER NATIONS HAS A INVERT RELATIONHIP TO THE LEVEL OF COMPETITION IN THE SEASON FINALS. Get real dude. There is currently as many GSL Code S Gold medals in WCS EU Premier as there is in Code S. And why would you assume someone like Goody will be in top 5? It would more likely be something like: Mvp, MMM, Stephano, Naniwa (who made it to Code S ro8 twice in a row) and Ret. There is a pretty substantial difference between EU and NA, and quite of a few of the European players can beat Koreans, especially those Koreans who play in WCS NA. Oh..? Is that your argument? Since there's as many GSL Code S golde models as there is in Code S KR right now; suddenly its justified? Is that how it works in your model? I guess if you watn to perceive it that way... We can see that clearly MVP + 4 Euros is clearly superior to Flash/Rain/Innovation/Parting/Life/Bomber since they have a combined 1 Gold Medall in total Oh yes.. MMA..the washed up guy who hasnt done a thing for ages... Ahh who could forget Stephano..who put up a mere 50% winrate vs mid-tier koreans and got his butt kicked in Code S. Ret....ah yes ret...the guy who got completely demolished by Flash in MLG where it looked like a grand masters player vs a silver leaguer. Naniwa. I'll give you that. He's an unknown at the moment. Which is why I didnt list him. I respect his skill however. If blizzard thinks MVP + Naniwa + 3 either washed up Koreans or Euros = 5 Top Tier Code S players They're delusional. I am not saying that Mvp, Naniwa or Stephano is equal to Flash, Rain, Innovation, Parting, Life or Bomber. What i am saying is that Besides those 6 players and Leenock, there is no one in Korea that top European players can't beat. I would never complete count Mvp out - he may not be as good as he used to but he has been slumping before and managed to get back in the game. Same goes for Stephano. He is not doing quite as well as he used to, but he was proven several times that he can beat anyone, including Bomber in the finals of Lone Star Clash 2. MMA might be more of a wildcard, but i don't see why he should not be able to step up his game. especially with the new Medivac buff. Let me just remind you that Bomber was at one point considered the best at TvT in the world, but went into a slump much like MMA. Despite Bombers long slump, and the fact that he is among the most inconsistent progamers in SC2, you still think that he is miles ahead of MMA? While those playing in WCS EU may not be top notch, there is quite a few who can take games of Koreans, and i'd say that top 5 in EU is atleast equal to low Code S. Last time I remember....all the euros dropped to Code B from GSL and the one Code S player who's playing for WCS EU (MC) isnt even in this season. I think youre seriously overrating the EU players (and seeing youre from denmark..I can understand the little bias) if you think they're at least low Code S. The most generous thing to say is that at best they're low code S material. That still doesnt justify giving them equal # of seedings as the koreans
I think that it is partly true that it doesn't justify the amount of seeds given to EU and NA. However, it would cause problems when you had to decide prize pool and seeds between EU and NA if they were not even. EU has the better players by quite a margin, but NA may be harder because they have more Koreans, and because some of the better EU players are playing in NA. So which one should get the higher prize pool? And should that prize pool change every season depending on the number of Koreans? I believe the reason to give equal prize pools is because the goal is to close the gap, so that ideally Korea would not be miles ahead.
And i still think that atleast Naniwa and Stephano is solid Code S material. Naniwa has been in ro8 twice and i don't see why he shouldn't be able to get back on top.
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Seems worse now for the players. There will be more money distribution because of league locks. But before there were numerous leagues giving 25-50k per season. Now it is 20k. I figured with blizz's cash injection it would have gone up.
Maybe now it will increase attendance to non wcs events like DH, NASL etc
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On April 17 2013 06:08 jiberish wrote:
Seems worse now for the players. There will be more money distribution because of league locks. But before there were numerous leagues giving 25-50k per season. Now it is 20k. I figured with blizz's cash injection it would have gone up.
Maybe now it will increase attendance to non wcs events like DH, NASL etc
Prize money is not the center of the world. I mean, if you look at the World Cup, World Series or Super Bowl, they don't even talk about it. Also, I would prefer events hand out a reasonable amount of money, rather than breaking the bank just to one up eachother.
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On April 17 2013 06:06 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 06:04 Plansix wrote:On April 17 2013 05:51 JJH777 wrote:
Dang I was holding out hope that they would give the Korean seasons a higher prize pool but nope this is just pretty freaking horrible. Korea gets literally nothing for this. This was pure charity for EU/NA. Korea already had these events. In fact they had more of and better versions of these events before Blizzard stepped in. There was most likely going to be 2 OSLs and there would have been an extra GSL. So they are losing 2 events. They are also losing a bunch of prize money per event. How do you know that Blizzard caused there to be less events over all? Although there was a delay in the new season of GSL, that was mostly due to HotS. Considering that last year there were way to many events, this may be the exact number they planed to run this year. They already announced that they were going to do 4 GSLs. Now they are doing 3. That's one of the main reasons they let people get a refund on their yearly ticket.
This seems better for GSL across the board. More support from Blizzard, more viewers and they are on OGN. Exposure on OGN is likely super helpful for the Korean teams too.
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On April 17 2013 06:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 06:06 JJH777 wrote:On April 17 2013 06:04 Plansix wrote:On April 17 2013 05:51 JJH777 wrote:
Dang I was holding out hope that they would give the Korean seasons a higher prize pool but nope this is just pretty freaking horrible. Korea gets literally nothing for this. This was pure charity for EU/NA. Korea already had these events. In fact they had more of and better versions of these events before Blizzard stepped in. There was most likely going to be 2 OSLs and there would have been an extra GSL. So they are losing 2 events. They are also losing a bunch of prize money per event. How do you know that Blizzard caused there to be less events over all? Although there was a delay in the new season of GSL, that was mostly due to HotS. Considering that last year there were way to many events, this may be the exact number they planed to run this year. They already announced that they were going to do 4 GSLs. Now they are doing 3. That's one of the main reasons they let people get a refund on their yearly ticket. This seems better for GSL across the board. More support from Blizzard, more viewers and they are on OGN. Exposure on OGN is likely super helpful for the Korean teams too.
I guess that is helping the Korean scene but they could have done that without decreasing the number of events and prize money per event. It also doesn't help me as a foreign viewer at all. I am going to watch almost no WCS EU and very little WCS NA. There are way less weekend tournaments than last year as well (this one isn't Blizzard's fault of course). Now there is even less Korean events (this one is Blizzard's fault). Overall WCS has made it so I am going watch far less StarCraft this year than I was going to before. It's just depressing.
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2012: OMG, so many tournaments, the scene is so oversaturated, this cannot go on
2013: OMG, so many tournaments died, the scene is diminishing, this cannot go on, #savehots TT qq
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On April 17 2013 05:40 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 04:59 MCXD wrote:Points system is super, super terrible. Like, super unbelievably terrible. I could probably dedicate an article to picking apart all of the absolutely stupid things about it, but I won't (maybe), because it's not like going to all of that effort would change anything v_v I posted this a couple of weeks ago, anticipating that this is exactly what would happen, and it's still relevant: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=406081Every player currently in Code B (esp Korean) is completely fucked over, and every player in Code S is laughing, no questions asked, because Blizzard refused to be intelligent and creative with their point allocations and just went for the brain-dead approach that ignored the nature of tiering. Incredibly frustrating. I feel for the progamers who have to put up with it. Here's something else to put it into perspective: A player who wins a GSL then immediately drops out of the GSL still has a decent shot of getting to the season final; if they win that then disappears from the face of the earth (retires even) they will still have more points than a player who gets 4 consecutive 2nd place finishes in the GSL. Also a player who goes 0-4 in the Code S Ro32 and 0-2 in their first Code A match to fall straight to Code B, walks away with equal amounts of points as the players who won every single Code A match that season. Consistency, eh? That makes me laugh. Youre misreading the point systems A player who wins a GSL gets 1.5k points. He'd also have to win the seasons finals = 3k points and then he's pretty much locked in for grand finals Also whoever qualifies for Code S from Code A will automatically get at least the Ro32 points too... The point system is not that bad Its the money and the allocation of seeds which is the problem.
I see your point. The Code S money should be a bit higher as it would make more sense. Something to consider though is that the Code A money is significantly larger for Korea than it is for NA/EU. So much so that the 41-64th place Korean Code A player gets more money than the 1st place NA/EU player. That's pretty nice.
I do think that they need a bit more money in Code S to be more realistic, however it's not realistic to give that money away right now most likely.
Also, if you really think about it, this format is going to keep Korea in a very sustainable position, allowing a very viable professional scene to florish so long as the scene and the teams are well supported.
The format is also going to allow for top NA/EU players to actually play SC2 seriously and professionally. An American isn't going to have to be in EG in order to quit their job and play only SC2 (although they will need a team to support them, they don't have to be filthy rich).
It really seems like this format is going to allow NA and EU to play catch up, while not hurting Korea's financial stability.
Sure it sucks to not get filthy rich off of 1 tournament, but eSports isn't about getting filthy rich off of 1 tournament. This is aiming for a more globalized setting for eSports and SC2.
Another look at the points system makes me believe it's still not too bad. It's going to reward those NA/EU players who devoted themselves to their new found profession over the last year, and not someone who simply had a good tournament. At the same time, Koreans are still going to get more money than them because they are going to take the top places, because they are the best in the world.
Eventually though, because this system is supporting the growth of NA and EU, the level of gameplay we see in the global finals will improve.
I feel you're going to be angry whenever anyone who's not a Korean is playing because they aren't as good as Koreans, but that's not what anyone else is worried about here. The issue at hand is the growth of eSports and SC2.
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Prize distribution is too top heavy imo, that needs to be changed sooner or later so more players can fully concentrate on going pro.
Can someone confirm if the NA WCS qualifiers will really be casted from replays? That would be a horrible turnoff for me.
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On April 17 2013 06:42 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 05:40 LighT. wrote:On April 17 2013 04:59 MCXD wrote:Points system is super, super terrible. Like, super unbelievably terrible. I could probably dedicate an article to picking apart all of the absolutely stupid things about it, but I won't (maybe), because it's not like going to all of that effort would change anything v_v I posted this a couple of weeks ago, anticipating that this is exactly what would happen, and it's still relevant: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=406081Every player currently in Code B (esp Korean) is completely fucked over, and every player in Code S is laughing, no questions asked, because Blizzard refused to be intelligent and creative with their point allocations and just went for the brain-dead approach that ignored the nature of tiering. Incredibly frustrating. I feel for the progamers who have to put up with it. Here's something else to put it into perspective: A player who wins a GSL then immediately drops out of the GSL still has a decent shot of getting to the season final; if they win that then disappears from the face of the earth (retires even) they will still have more points than a player who gets 4 consecutive 2nd place finishes in the GSL. Also a player who goes 0-4 in the Code S Ro32 and 0-2 in their first Code A match to fall straight to Code B, walks away with equal amounts of points as the players who won every single Code A match that season. Consistency, eh? That makes me laugh. Youre misreading the point systems A player who wins a GSL gets 1.5k points. He'd also have to win the seasons finals = 3k points and then he's pretty much locked in for grand finals Also whoever qualifies for Code S from Code A will automatically get at least the Ro32 points too... The point system is not that bad Its the money and the allocation of seeds which is the problem. I see your point. The Code S money should be a bit higher as it would make more sense. Something to consider though is that the Code A money is significantly larger for Korea than it is for NA/EU. So much so that the 41-64th place Korean Code A player gets more money than the 1st place NA/EU player. That's pretty nice. I do think that they need a bit more money in Code S to be more realistic, however it's not realistic to give that money away right now most likely. Also, if you really think about it, this format is going to keep Korea in a very sustainable position, allowing a very viable professional scene to florish so long as the scene and the teams are well supported. The format is also going to allow for top NA/EU players to actually play SC2 seriously and professionally. An American isn't going to have to be in EG in order to quit their job and play only SC2 (although they will need a team to support them, they don't have to be filthy rich). It really seems like this format is going to allow NA and EU to play catch up, while not hurting Korea's financial stability. Sure it sucks to not get filthy rich off of 1 tournament, but eSports isn't about getting filthy rich off of 1 tournament. This is aiming for a more globalized setting for eSports and SC2. Another look at the points system makes me believe it's still not too bad. It's going to reward those NA/EU players who devoted themselves to their new found profession over the last year, and not someone who simply had a good tournament. At the same time, Koreans are still going to get more money than them because they are going to take the top places, because they are the best in the world. Eventually though, because this system is supporting the growth of NA and EU, the level of gameplay we see in the global finals will improve. I feel you're going to be angry whenever anyone who's not a Korean is playing because they aren't as good as Koreans, but that's not what anyone else is worried about here. The issue at hand is the growth of eSports and SC2.
I like watching EU/NA games. Ive been following the EU qualifiers for the past two days passively because guys like Sterlok and Bunny have produced some entertaining games. However, I am going to be angry if I see a far more inferior player make it to the season finals over one of the 10s of better Korean betters that could have taken his place.
Blizzard, I feel, has stunted the growth of Korean E-sports for NA/EU to basically catch up. The problem is....Korea has still A LOT of work to do in terms of esports growth. HoTS + Kespa players switching over did pull a few people in but not enough..or relevant enough to gain that full bw crowd into the SPL/GSTL stands. Not a lot of people care about sc2 in Korea than people think, staying away because its not "original" and "easy"..at least speaking to my relatives/cousins etc.
Another point to make is that..I was excited at the prospect of OSL/GSL because of the fact that it brings back the duo tournaments (and I'm speaking as also a bw fan here) when it was OSL/MSL running at the same time. The GSL becoming the new MSL. But nope, they took that away. On top of that...they combined the two and made the winner of the combined "OSL/GSL" tournament..which should be prestrigious as EVER, some entry ticket to some season finale...while throw a bit of money at the winner and giving a paper that says "Good Job".
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there's really zero reason for any korean to try for GSL/OSL if they can afford plane tickets to NA/EU for the offline stuff. It's a joke. I started out quite happy with the WCS stuff, but literally every piece of information that has come out has been disappointing.
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