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On April 17 2013 06:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 06:08 jiberish wrote:
Seems worse now for the players. There will be more money distribution because of league locks. But before there were numerous leagues giving 25-50k per season. Now it is 20k. I figured with blizz's cash injection it would have gone up.
Maybe now it will increase attendance to non wcs events like DH, NASL etc Prize money is not the center of the world. I mean, if you look at the World Cup, World Series or Super Bowl, they don't even talk about it. Also, I would prefer events hand out a reasonable amount of money, rather than breaking the bank just to one up eachother.
probably because all the people who play in the World Cup, World Series, or Super Bowl are millionaires.
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gsl first place 20k ;/ sigh
yeah I get that there's a season finals and blizzcon but it just makes gsl feel more like a qualifying tournament than the ultimate goal which it used to be.
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why can't sponsors and GOM/OGN themselves add to the prize pool, again? because blizzard is dumb?
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Korea really does seem to be the ones to lose a lot with how much NA/EU have gained.
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On April 17 2013 07:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Korea really does seem to be the ones to lose a lot with how much NA/EU have gained.
If that were true... gsl would have never signed the contract. 2nd, blizzard copied everything from the gsl format for other regions, my bet is they are gaining something somewhere else this WCS would not have happened.
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On April 17 2013 08:06 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 07:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Korea really does seem to be the ones to lose a lot with how much NA/EU have gained.
If that were true... gsl would have never signed the contract. 2nd, blizzard copied everything from the gsl format for other regions, my bet is they are gaining something somewhere else this WCS would not have happened.
Or maybe current CEO of Gretech is an idiot or fully controlled by Blizzard. Their old CEO resigned last month or so There is certainly some kind of political battle inside Gretech during this whole deal. As an outsider, at least we know that not everyone is seeing this as a good thing for the company, at least not the old CEO.
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On April 17 2013 08:06 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 07:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Korea really does seem to be the ones to lose a lot with how much NA/EU have gained.
If that were true... gsl would have never signed the contract. 2nd, blizzard copied everything from the gsl format for other regions, my bet is they are gaining something somewhere else this WCS would not have happened.
GSL gains TV coverage that is completely useless to foreign fans. GSL dropped a ton in entertainment value for me I doubt I'll ever buy another ticket. I'll stay up for the matches I want to watch but that's it.
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On April 17 2013 08:13 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:06 govie wrote:On April 17 2013 07:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Korea really does seem to be the ones to lose a lot with how much NA/EU have gained.
If that were true... gsl would have never signed the contract. 2nd, blizzard copied everything from the gsl format for other regions, my bet is they are gaining something somewhere else this WCS would not have happened. Or maybe current CEO of Gretech is an idiot or fully controlled by Blizzard. Their old CEO resigned last month or so There is certainly some kind of political battle inside Gretech during this whole deal. As an outsider, at least we know that not everyone is seeing this as a good thing for the company, at least not the old CEO.
believe what u want. Some people are conspiracytheory-ing everything anyways... ofc. they will gain something or else they would not have signed the contract! They are not stupid, they have been doing this for years....
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On April 17 2013 08:17 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:13 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 17 2013 08:06 govie wrote:On April 17 2013 07:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Korea really does seem to be the ones to lose a lot with how much NA/EU have gained.
If that were true... gsl would have never signed the contract. 2nd, blizzard copied everything from the gsl format for other regions, my bet is they are gaining something somewhere else this WCS would not have happened. Or maybe current CEO of Gretech is an idiot or fully controlled by Blizzard. Their old CEO resigned last month or so There is certainly some kind of political battle inside Gretech during this whole deal. As an outsider, at least we know that not everyone is seeing this as a good thing for the company, at least not the old CEO. believe what u want. Some people are conspiracytheory-ing everything anyways... ofc. they will gain something or else they would not have signed the contract! They are not stupid, they have been doing this for years....
Ofc, every deal has good side and bad side, some people believe it's a good deal, some believe it's a bad deal. It's too common for smartest business man to make the most stupid deal. There is nothing conspiracy about this, imo, they just made a bad business deal, it can happen to smartest person in the world. Obviously you don't agree, I just want to point out they are the weakest entity, and have the most to lose on that round table, getting bullied is no surprise.
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On April 17 2013 07:51 negativedge wrote:
why can't sponsors and GOM/OGN themselves add to the prize pool, again? because blizzard is dumb?
Probably because Blizzard themselves used to fund them the money in the first place, or at least a good chunk of it.
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On April 17 2013 08:30 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 07:51 negativedge wrote:
why can't sponsors and GOM/OGN themselves add to the prize pool, again? because blizzard is dumb? Probably because Blizzard themselves used to fund them the money in the first place, or at least a good chunk of it.
I don't think this is true. For the first 3 seasons it was but after that I'm pretty sure they were mostly self/sponsor funded. My reasoning is that for the first 3 seasons they were frequently thanked for sponsoring the event by Tastosis but since then they really haven't been.
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On April 17 2013 08:27 Charlie.Sheen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:17 govie wrote:On April 17 2013 08:13 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On April 17 2013 08:06 govie wrote:On April 17 2013 07:56 Laryleprakon wrote:
Korea really does seem to be the ones to lose a lot with how much NA/EU have gained.
If that were true... gsl would have never signed the contract. 2nd, blizzard copied everything from the gsl format for other regions, my bet is they are gaining something somewhere else this WCS would not have happened. Or maybe current CEO of Gretech is an idiot or fully controlled by Blizzard. Their old CEO resigned last month or so There is certainly some kind of political battle inside Gretech during this whole deal. As an outsider, at least we know that not everyone is seeing this as a good thing for the company, at least not the old CEO. believe what u want. Some people are conspiracytheory-ing everything anyways... ofc. they will gain something or else they would not have signed the contract! They are not stupid, they have been doing this for years.... Ofc, every deal has good side and bad side, some people believe it's a good deal, some believe it's a bad deal. It's too common for smartest business man to make the most stupid deal. There is nothing conspiracy about this, imo, they just made a bad business deal, it can happen to smartest person in the world.
Let me explain further : Blizzard goes to gsl. Says we will pump 1.6kk into esports and we want u with us. Now, gsl has a choice :
1. They agree, get alot of extra value pushed in this blizzard format.
2. They dont agree, blizzard makes own competition in KR, coupled to the 1.6kk prizepoule. GSL cannot compete with that in the longrun.
They have gained maximum result as i see it! There will be no competition in korea for gsl for years to come. Businesswise gsl made the smart decision. Blizzard gave them some extras (gsl format everywhere and that KR players can go compete anywhere they want to). Maximum result for gsl and korean players.
Therefore my statement yet again : They must gain something or else they would not have signed the contract!
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On April 17 2013 08:33 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:30 mikkmagro wrote:On April 17 2013 07:51 negativedge wrote:
why can't sponsors and GOM/OGN themselves add to the prize pool, again? because blizzard is dumb? Probably because Blizzard themselves used to fund them the money in the first place, or at least a good chunk of it. I don't think this is true. For the first 3 seasons it was but after that I'm pretty sure they were mostly self/sponsor funded. My reasoning is that for the first 3 seasons they were frequently thanked for sponsoring the event by Tastosis but since then they really haven't been.
Well, Blizzard won't tell them to invest less in SC2, that would be counter-productive. GSL have already doubled the prizemoney of GSTL. They might also use some funds left over to help eSF as they said they would.
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On April 17 2013 08:43 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:33 JJH777 wrote:On April 17 2013 08:30 mikkmagro wrote:On April 17 2013 07:51 negativedge wrote:
why can't sponsors and GOM/OGN themselves add to the prize pool, again? because blizzard is dumb? Probably because Blizzard themselves used to fund them the money in the first place, or at least a good chunk of it. I don't think this is true. For the first 3 seasons it was but after that I'm pretty sure they were mostly self/sponsor funded. My reasoning is that for the first 3 seasons they were frequently thanked for sponsoring the event by Tastosis but since then they really haven't been. Well, Blizzard won't tell them to invest less in SC2, that would be counter-productive. GSL have already doubled the prizemoney of GSTL. They might also use some funds left over to help eSF as they said they would.
I don't think GOM entered a bad deal and people are getting to hung up on the prize money. The winner of the season is guaranteed at least another $5,000 for the season finals, if not more. There is plenty of money to go around if you get in the top 5 of the season. And lets be frank, the winning of Korea is likely to win the Season finals too.
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On April 17 2013 08:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:43 mikkmagro wrote:On April 17 2013 08:33 JJH777 wrote:On April 17 2013 08:30 mikkmagro wrote:On April 17 2013 07:51 negativedge wrote:
why can't sponsors and GOM/OGN themselves add to the prize pool, again? because blizzard is dumb? Probably because Blizzard themselves used to fund them the money in the first place, or at least a good chunk of it. I don't think this is true. For the first 3 seasons it was but after that I'm pretty sure they were mostly self/sponsor funded. My reasoning is that for the first 3 seasons they were frequently thanked for sponsoring the event by Tastosis but since then they really haven't been. Well, Blizzard won't tell them to invest less in SC2, that would be counter-productive. GSL have already doubled the prizemoney of GSTL. They might also use some funds left over to help eSF as they said they would. I don't think GOM entered a bad deal and people are getting to hung up on the prize money. The winner of the season is guaranteed at least another $5,000 for the season finals, if not more. There is plenty of money to go around if you get in the top 5 of the season. And lets be frank, the winning of Korea is likely to win the Season finals too.
I care more about the decreased number of events than the prize pool. I recognize that prize money is a very small amount of what goes into a tournament. There is no way to spin decreased number of events as a good thing
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They can take the money they aren't using and dump into extra tournaments.
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I'm fairly impressed with the point distribution I have to say. 750 points for winning a Dreamhack certainly seems fair to me.
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On April 17 2013 08:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:43 mikkmagro wrote:On April 17 2013 08:33 JJH777 wrote:On April 17 2013 08:30 mikkmagro wrote:On April 17 2013 07:51 negativedge wrote:
why can't sponsors and GOM/OGN themselves add to the prize pool, again? because blizzard is dumb? Probably because Blizzard themselves used to fund them the money in the first place, or at least a good chunk of it. I don't think this is true. For the first 3 seasons it was but after that I'm pretty sure they were mostly self/sponsor funded. My reasoning is that for the first 3 seasons they were frequently thanked for sponsoring the event by Tastosis but since then they really haven't been. Well, Blizzard won't tell them to invest less in SC2, that would be counter-productive. GSL have already doubled the prizemoney of GSTL. They might also use some funds left over to help eSF as they said they would. I don't think GOM entered a bad deal and people are getting to hung up on the prize money. The winner of the season is guaranteed at least another $5,000 for the season finals, if not more. There is plenty of money to go around if you get in the top 5 of the season. And lets be frank, the winning of Korea is likely to win the Season finals too.
Not really, with how stacked Korea is, winner could easily lose in the 1st round to 5th place from GSL. Last season RorO won GSL, 5th-8th place was Innovation, Parting, Soulkey, MC.
RorO beat MC only 3-2, and he's the weakest of those 4 players. It's completely possible that any one of the remaining 3 could have knocked RorO out in the first round of the tournament in a seasonal finals scenario.
GSL finals has lost a lot of its excitement and glory, now that you know the runner up, and even someone who couldn't make the semi-finals will be playing the champion in a couple of weeks for an even bigger prize, in a weekend tournament where players can't prepare for their opponents.
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really happy and impressed with the point system and prize distribution very nice blizz
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On April 17 2013 09:26 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:52 Plansix wrote:On April 17 2013 08:43 mikkmagro wrote:On April 17 2013 08:33 JJH777 wrote:On April 17 2013 08:30 mikkmagro wrote:On April 17 2013 07:51 negativedge wrote:
why can't sponsors and GOM/OGN themselves add to the prize pool, again? because blizzard is dumb? Probably because Blizzard themselves used to fund them the money in the first place, or at least a good chunk of it. I don't think this is true. For the first 3 seasons it was but after that I'm pretty sure they were mostly self/sponsor funded. My reasoning is that for the first 3 seasons they were frequently thanked for sponsoring the event by Tastosis but since then they really haven't been. Well, Blizzard won't tell them to invest less in SC2, that would be counter-productive. GSL have already doubled the prizemoney of GSTL. They might also use some funds left over to help eSF as they said they would. I don't think GOM entered a bad deal and people are getting to hung up on the prize money. The winner of the season is guaranteed at least another $5,000 for the season finals, if not more. There is plenty of money to go around if you get in the top 5 of the season. And lets be frank, the winning of Korea is likely to win the Season finals too. Not really, with how stacked Korea is, winner could easily lose in the 1st round to 5th place from GSL. Last season RorO won GSL, 5th-8th place was Innovation, Parting, Soulkey, MC. RorO beat MC only 3-2, and he's the weakest of those 4 players. It's completely possible that any one of the remaining 3 could have knocked RorO out in the first round of the tournament in a seasonal finals scenario. GSL finals has lost a lot of its excitement and glory, now that you know the runner up, and even someone who couldn't make the semi-finals will be playing the champion in a couple of weeks for an even bigger prize, in a weekend tournament where players can't prepare for their opponents.
Indeed, or gom would get competition from WCS in KR... and after 3 years have no proplayers left because they would play in wcs for more money.....
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