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On April 11 2013 15:07 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:03 Prplppleatr wrote:
I don't get why everyone keeps going back to the $20 part...while it is the most i've heard of for a major event qualifier, it's $20...the real question is why does America have an entry fee but EU and Korea do not? Each tournament is run by their respective organisations. MLG gave the reason for their fee. Obviously KR and EU don't see that as a problem for their tournaments. I can see that in Korea's case, but for online EU, I think it'll be a nightmare trying to chase up the no-shows.
It is just odd that it is only America. Though it is their option.
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LOL Keep it up WCS. First you fuck up with WCS Korea and completely fuck GSL hype by essentially forcing Korean players who aren't currently (or qualify) for Code A/Code S to go over to America and Europe WCS. This causes there to be a huge upset in the majority of the foreign community that actually care about the direction of their scenes growth since there's essentially no shot for them anymore and almost guaranteed Koreans are going to just stomp out every region.
Adding more fuel to what's already a burning forest fire that hundreds of firefighters are trying to put out, you add a $20 fee to an ONLINE TOURNAMENT with 256 people where it's highly unlikely you're going to get anywhere with the amount of rounds you're going to have to go through on top of the enormous talent pool that's going to be in it. Don't enter through the 2 massive qualifiers? Well thanks for your money, twat. Try again in 2014.
We're so fucked before LotV comes out if this continues to be the direction we go in. Maybe Destiny was right after all. Let's not forget that EU is going to be completely open and free, as is KR through their Code A qualifiers. gg blizz, no re.
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entrance fee doesn't bother me at all in its own right. now if you charge players an entrance fee and then subsequently charge viewers to watch the qualifiers, then there's a problem.
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Like a lot of people said 18.75 to stop no shows is a weird reason, they could have easily done the same for 5$, also I am really interested about the point that someone has brought up earlier. Some states in the U.S. have laws that won't allow their residents to participate in this tournament since they equate this to online gambling. We go from the "Open bracket everyone will have shot, our scene will grow, new stars will rise" to 20$ barrier and yes it can potentially deter some young 14,15 year kids from trying who might have good potential etc and also will screw players from certain states.
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The entry fee should be encouraged rather than scorned. The people entering these tourneys should be at least serious enough to shell out $20, and it brings money into our community.
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5$ wont have as much of a punitive affect as 20. Sounds like complainers complaining to me....
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I don't mind the fee for playing.
But WCS is quickly becoming a joke. Catz pretty much hit the nail on head with his article. Blizzard isn't supporting or investing in the E-Sports cultural in anywhere except Korea.
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On April 11 2013 15:24 kukarachaa wrote:
Like a lot of people said 18.75 to stop no shows is a weird reason, they could have easily done the same for 5$, also I am really interested about the point that someone has brought up earlier. Some states in the U.S. have laws that won't allow their residents to participate in this tournament since they equate this to online gambling. We go from the "Open bracket everyone will have shot, our scene will grow, new stars will rise" to 20$ barrier and yes it can potentially deter some young 14,15 year kids from trying who might have good potential etc and also will screw players from certain states.
I'd be very surprised if this turned out to be true. The only real difference between and entry fee for a chess/karate/soccer tournament and a SC2 tournament is one is played on a computer over the internet. All are played against a human opponent and all are skill based games, no randomness or 'luck' is involved. Yes laws can be stupid sometimes, but even if it technically fell under the definition of gambling, I doubt it'd be pursued legally by any state.
If anyone has actually had difficulty with these laws, then provide some sources, otherwise I'm going to say it's a non-concern.
The poster mentioned Arizona, and a quick googling returns this link:
http://www.asu.edu/counsel/brief/gambling.html
I think a case could be made for SC2 being 'amusement gaming'.
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I shudder Everytime I see an ameican say 'off of'. 'It mimicks that of the gsl'
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On April 11 2013 16:05 MateShade wrote:
I shudder Everytime I see an ameican say 'off of'. 'It mimicks that of the gsl'
Don't diss on my idiom 
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On April 11 2013 15:53 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:24 kukarachaa wrote:
Like a lot of people said 18.75 to stop no shows is a weird reason, they could have easily done the same for 5$, also I am really interested about the point that someone has brought up earlier. Some states in the U.S. have laws that won't allow their residents to participate in this tournament since they equate this to online gambling. We go from the "Open bracket everyone will have shot, our scene will grow, new stars will rise" to 20$ barrier and yes it can potentially deter some young 14,15 year kids from trying who might have good potential etc and also will screw players from certain states. I'd be very surprised if this turned out to be true. The only real difference between and entry fee for a chess/karate/soccer tournament and a SC2 tournament is one is played on a computer over the internet. All are played against a human opponent and all are skill based games, no randomness or 'luck' is involved. Yes laws can be stupid sometimes, but even if it technically fell under the definition of gambling, I doubt it'd be pursued legally by any state. If anyone has actually had difficulty with these laws, then provide some sources, otherwise I'm going to say it's a non-concern. The poster mentioned Arizona, and a quick googling returns this link: http://www.asu.edu/counsel/brief/gambling.htmlI think a case could be made for SC2 being 'amusement gaming'.
Yeah i suppose for the random player you could register under a different state/fake address with no issue(although out of random chance you place high enough to travel, your wins may be voided? or some other form of action taken if they are able to find out). Many people under age were playing Online poker with absolutely no issue or legal action taken(which imo is much more serious than this) Was just curious how this was working for Teams who are established and known to reside in Arizona. Ill try and see if maybe i can get an answer from someone on the team for anyone else that's curious.
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is there a reason to explain why WCS EU qualify is free and NA is not?
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On April 12 2013 01:30 ( bush wrote:
is there a reason to explain why WCS EU qualify is free and NA is not?
MLG said that they want people who sign up for this tourney to be serious so they put a fee. Otherwise they said they would have too many people signing up and be no shows. Now i have no idea why this wont happen in WCS EU but i know in Korea there is usually some byes due to no shows but not nearly the amount of people that MLG says there will be.
I guess this could be due to Korea is offline qualifiers.
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On April 11 2013 15:18 Maesy wrote:
LOL Keep it up WCS. First you fuck up with WCS Korea and completely fuck GSL hype by essentially forcing Korean players who aren't currently (or qualify) for Code A/Code S to go over to America and Europe WCS. This causes there to be a huge upset in the majority of the foreign community that actually care about the direction of their scenes growth since there's essentially no shot for them anymore and almost guaranteed Koreans are going to just stomp out every region.
Adding more fuel to what's already a burning forest fire that hundreds of firefighters are trying to put out, you add a $20 fee to an ONLINE TOURNAMENT with 256 people where it's highly unlikely you're going to get anywhere with the amount of rounds you're going to have to go through on top of the enormous talent pool that's going to be in it. Don't enter through the 2 massive qualifiers? Well thanks for your money, twat. Try again in 2014.
We're so fucked before LotV comes out if this continues to be the direction we go in. Maybe Destiny was right after all. Let's not forget that EU is going to be completely open and free, as is KR through their Code A qualifiers. gg blizz, no re.
You really stuck it to them with this post. Good job, Maesy. They'll get right on it.
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They said something about GM players at the beginning. What benefit do the gain?
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On April 11 2013 15:46 BronzeKnee wrote:
I don't mind the fee for playing.
But WCS is quickly becoming a joke. Catz pretty much hit the nail on head with his article. Blizzard isn't supporting or investing in the E-Sports cultural in anywhere except Korea.
Korea has the most weight to throw around, since they are focused to deal with OGN, Kespa and GSL. I bet in the next year or so we are going to hear a lot about how much Korea groups and leagues were pushing for rules that benefited their players and leagues. People have forgotten how cutthroat the Korean teams were with NASL season 2(pulling out at the last minute) and I am willing to bet they did the similar things here.
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This is a completely reasonable move by MLG and the people who have any reasonable shot at winning these things or any real desire to compete in them are not going to be deterred by a $20 fee.
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On April 12 2013 02:01 Cyrak wrote:
This is a completely reasonable move by MLG and the people who have any reasonable shot at winning these things or any real desire to compete in them are not going to be deterred by a $20 fee.
I wouldn't say that. Theres going to be 10+ koreans fighting for these 8 spots in this first tournament, the only reason to pay money, realistically, is to get to lose vs a korean. No offense to anyone who really wants to try their luck, but I would bet against you. (though this is true whether there is or isn't an entry fee)
While blizzard may have had the best intentions at heart, it blinded them. This event does not foster growth and interest in competing, it hinders it.
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On April 12 2013 01:47 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:18 Maesy wrote:
LOL Keep it up WCS. First you fuck up with WCS Korea and completely fuck GSL hype by essentially forcing Korean players who aren't currently (or qualify) for Code A/Code S to go over to America and Europe WCS. This causes there to be a huge upset in the majority of the foreign community that actually care about the direction of their scenes growth since there's essentially no shot for them anymore and almost guaranteed Koreans are going to just stomp out every region.
Adding more fuel to what's already a burning forest fire that hundreds of firefighters are trying to put out, you add a $20 fee to an ONLINE TOURNAMENT with 256 people where it's highly unlikely you're going to get anywhere with the amount of rounds you're going to have to go through on top of the enormous talent pool that's going to be in it. Don't enter through the 2 massive qualifiers? Well thanks for your money, twat. Try again in 2014.
We're so fucked before LotV comes out if this continues to be the direction we go in. Maybe Destiny was right after all. Let's not forget that EU is going to be completely open and free, as is KR through their Code A qualifiers. gg blizz, no re. You really stuck it to them with this post. Good job, Maesy. They'll get right on it.
Thanks man. I'm glad people such as yourself support this travesty of a tournament format thus far, and then claim it's good for esports.
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On April 12 2013 02:12 Prplppleatr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 02:01 Cyrak wrote:
This is a completely reasonable move by MLG and the people who have any reasonable shot at winning these things or any real desire to compete in them are not going to be deterred by a $20 fee. I wouldn't say that. Theres going to be 10+ koreans fighting for these 8 spots in this first tournament, the only reason to pay money, realistically, is to get to lose vs a korean. No offense to anyone who really wants to try their luck, but I would bet against you.
You have just proven why the $20 fee is reasonable. If a players main concern is losing $20 because you get matched with a Korean, they may wish to consider not competing.
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