EPTA Brief Q&A Regarding WCS 2013 - Page 4
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On April 08 2013 20:18 Fizzy wrote: [/i]Giving foreigners an option to earn money without beating koreans wont make them practise harder, i think its the other way around, it will keep them in their sepparate region thinking they are doing just fine then BAM global finals and koreans vs foreigners will be an even bigger stomp without a korean losing a single map to a foreigner You heard it here first. In 2012 there were 5 GSL tournaments each holding a total prizepool of $153 970 USD, 5*153970 = 769850. In 2013 there will be 1 GSL of 153970$, and 3x regional qualifiers, 1 global season final and 1 uberfinal, 153970+3*100000+150000+250000 = 853970. You are wrong, in 2013, there will be 1 GSL of $160,000, 3 Regional Qualifiers of $100,000, 3 Global Season Finals of $150,000 and the Grand Final at BlizzCon of $250,000. In 2012 there was also the Korean WCS of $26,000 and the Asian finals of $60,000. These, together with the other continental finals, have been replaced by the Global Seasonal Finals. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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Fizzy
Sweden388 Posts
On April 08 2013 20:15 Benjamin99 wrote: Yes lets blame the fans haha. You don't go out much do you? Plz watch some football and you will understand how real sport works. Yes people are actually cheering for Australia when they are playing against Argentina or Spain. even though they absolutely sucks. "Isn't that Insane? How dare the stupid fans cheer against the best team and players" People like you is a cancer for growing the sc2 scene tbh First of all, resorting to personal insult, what are you... 13? 14? Secondly, you cant compare a national team to a mixed league... ofcourse 90% of all australians will cheer for Australia, just as 90% of all swedes will cheer for Sweden, however i doubt that the majority of swedish people would cheer for BK Häcken going up against Manchester United. Third, you are more than welcome to cheer for any player/team you want, hell i cheer for the underdog in most of the cases - however once athletes (yes, if we want to call it eSPORTS the players are atheletes) are prioritized for the amount of following they have, then we will probably end up in a very wierd league where there are some players who are there because they are great and have fans because of that - who are playing against people who are terrible in comparison but have great personalities and/or loyal countrymen - and the outcome wont be pretty. Im afraid that if we keep going in the direction of where SC2 is heading now then we will have WCS 2015 finals of Day[9] Vs. Flash and a game is not decided by who eliminates the opponent but rather by who has the higher viewer number. When a player earns alot of money from advertising, salery, exposure etc. that is completly fine with me... but when they start getting spots in tournaments only because they have a huge following.. and thus not letting a great player have their shot at making some prizemoney - that is where i draw the line. | ||
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Fizzy
Sweden388 Posts
On April 08 2013 20:30 mikkmagro wrote: You are wrong, in 2013, there will be 1 GSL of $160,000, 3 Regional Qualifiers of $100,000, 3 Global Season Finals of $150,000 and the Grand Final at BlizzCon of $250,000. In 2012 there was also the Korean WCS of $26,000 and the Asian finals of $60,000. These, together with the other continental finals, have been replaced by the Global Seasonal Finals. Sorry i should have made myself clear and said that i only counted events hosted by GOM :p My point being however vage as it might have been is that the "Money per korean" will be lower, and thus the "Money per skill" will also be lower. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
For example finals 8 KR, 4 EU 4 NA and money 50% KR 25% EU 25% NA. It wouldn't be such a blatantly obvious move for koreans not qualified for GSL to go and try in NA. Afterall, what's the point of trying in a much harder region when you also have the disadvantage of not being in the big point gaining tournament while you can have much easier competition at the price of some lag somewhere else. I guess it depends how many offline tournaments NA and EU consist off, if it's only a few the regions will be filled with 'code B' koreans. Not even mentioning code A, code B and code S are diluted now because they are based on WoL, for all we know some of the best HotS (Kespa players perhaps) are still in code B, who just get shafted completely.. Hardest region, not in code S and probably unable to move anyway because of korean sponsors and pro league to attend too... The idea behind this WCS is nice but it's going to dilute the quality of the current cream of the crop, GSL and OSL, which is a shame. | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
I understand the goal is to establish a EU and NA offline GSL. But locking people in for a year is locking foreigners out of the gsl and koreans consider leaving korea for wcs points. If you just allow people to switch every season that would solve that dilemma..or as long as you dont reach Code S (or Code A) you are not region locked and can still compete in WCS EU/NA | ||
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
Meaning that the 100k was added on to the original prize pool. | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:15 SpikeStarcraft wrote: I dont like region lock at all. I think you should be able to switch every season. Dont force people to commit for one year. I understand the goal is to establish a EU and NA offline GSL. But locking people in for a year is locking foreigners out of the gsl and koreans consider leaving korea for wcs points. If you just allow people to switch every season that would solve that dilemma..or as long as you dont reach Code S (or Code A) you are not region locked and can still compete in WCS EU/NA They want to avoid people going "Oh, this tournament has weaker players this season, I'll hop over to that one." Committing to a region for a year means you can't cheese like that. | ||
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Jknighty
159 Posts
On April 08 2013 19:36 Abominous wrote: Since Blizzard has been behind it for more than two years straight, I don't see your point... You can ruin what you created. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:17 Master of DalK wrote: According to Liquipedia, the WCS KR1(Code S) pool is: "Approximately $123,624 USD". Meaning that the 100k was added on to the original prize pool. i don't think liquipedia has received any serious knowledge about it? | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
You know the best way to encourage master players to work harder to get top 32 in their division!? Well, believe it or not, but... you take the best players in the world and you invite them to take turns bending over master players in their division. Nothing is more motivating than going from 36th to 100th. You can just start to taste the money. What does it really mean to give yourself an equal shot at competing with the Koreans (if you were as talented as them, which 99.99% are not)? Many Koreans, in team houses, are practicing 14 hours a day. Are we encouraging people to drop out of school? Are we encouraging people to quit jobs? Have they found a way to cut the need for sleep out of one's life? I would just be curious as to what the superficial comments actually entailed, if it wasn't blatant bs. It's always fun and amusing to encourage people to do things you know are futile. Blizzard was able to integrate all of the leagues and come up with a unified system, but low and behold it's too complicated of a matter to go beyond "we have 4 regions that everyone in the universe is allowed to pick which one they want to play in." Notice they didn't really say it was too hard or anything, just that they didn't want the added complication because, again, they want Korean viewers. It's semantics and bs. | ||
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rename
Estonia329 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:17 Nekovivie wrote: They want to avoid people going "Oh, this tournament has weaker players this season, I'll hop over to that one." Committing to a region for a year means you can't cheese like that. Just losing all your earned points + the need to go through CodeA + CodeA qualifiers every time should be enough to avoid such region hopping on a large scale. This currently just denies the whole thing for people who move mid-season due to switching teams, going to university or whatever... On April 08 2013 21:28 playa wrote: Are we encouraging people to drop out of school? Are we encouraging people to quit jobs? Have they found a way to cut the need for sleep out of one's life? I would just be curious as to what the superficial comments actually entailed, if it wasn't blatant bs. There are things like After-Hour Gaming Leagues and that university league thing for people who dont want to be fulltime progamers or dont have enough talent to win stuff while in school ( like Life ) | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:28 rename wrote: Just losing all your earned points + the need to go through CodeA + CodeA qualifiers every time should be enough to avoid such region hopping on a large scale. This currently just denies the whole thing for people who move mid-season due to switching teams, going to university or whatever... There are things like After-Hour Gaming Leagues and that university league thing for people who dont want to be fulltime progamers or dont have enough talent to win stuff while in school ( like Life ) The problem isn't people not wanting to be progamers (with better circumstances many would). The problem is more taking your life savings and gambling in a casino game that favors the house. This is just increasing the odds for the house, while acting like you have done the opposite for the player. It's false advertisement. | ||
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will216
United States185 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:28 rename wrote: Just losing all your earned points + the need to go through CodeA + CodeA qualifiers every time should be enough to avoid such region hopping on a large scale. This currently just denies the whole thing for people who move mid-season due to switching teams, going to university or whatever... There are things like After-Hour Gaming Leagues and that university league thing for people who dont want to be fulltime progamers or dont have enough talent to win stuff while in school ( like Life ) I don't understand how it would be hard for someone to go to school and also be a programer. Most of the WCS will take place online and Ro16 will take place on weekends. If they do go full offline with WCS, people should just lock themselves to the region they live in. Problem solved. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:17 Nekovivie wrote: They want to avoid people going "Oh, this tournament has weaker players this season, I'll hop over to that one." Committing to a region for a year means you can't cheese like that. thats the problem of EU and NA being overrated in terms of WCS points and prize money. The WCS global finals last year were pretty boring because the skill difference between koreans and the rest was so huge. Its not an enjoyable show then if you dont have exciting close matches. WCS EU was the most exciting wcs event last year because people were mostly on the same skill level. Either send less EU/NA player or remove region lock. Like this no foreigner wont ever try gsl again if they care about wcs. and thats a shame. | ||
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will216
United States185 Posts
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:56 will216 wrote: I don't understand how it would be hard for someone to go to school and also be a programer. Most of the WCS will take place online and Ro16 will take place on weekends. If they do go full offline with WCS, people should just lock themselves to the region they live in. Problem solved. The point is it actually wouldn't be that hard if they were competing against other players that were going to school/working/etc instead of Koreans who are already more talented than them and are already practicing as much as humanly possible. This system has jack shit to do with players. This is about Blizzard setting something up for the future that puts them in a position to run the scene and make way more than anyone else involved. You can't even run another event while a WCS is going on. This has jack shit to do with the foreign scene's well being, for now. Looks good on the outside to casuals. Good enough for them. | ||
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will216
United States185 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:58 SpikeStarcraft wrote: thats the problem of EU and NA being overrated in terms of WCS points and prize money. The WCS global finals last year were pretty boring because the skill difference between koreans and the rest was so huge. Its not an enjoyable show then if you dont have exciting close matches. WCS EU was the most exciting wcs event last year because people were mostly on the same skill level. Either send less EU/NA player or remove region lock. Like this no foreigner wont ever try gsl again if they care about wcs. and thats a shame. I don't understand how removing region lock will this problem. It will just make more Koreans join NA/EU regions. | ||
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