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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:32 arkedos wrote: Which could also motivate EU and US players to finally practice properly  Or it will give Koreans even more motivation to simply play in the NA/EU region instead. If the only thing that the GSL/OSL give you is more prestige but you have to do way more for it why would you? | ||
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CloudMage
Canada221 Posts
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Jknighty
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figq
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Abominous
Croatia1625 Posts
On April 08 2013 19:29 Jknighty wrote: GSL has beeen totally gutted. Thanks Blizzard, ruin the hardest and most prestigious SC2 tournament... good job. Since Blizzard has been behind it for more than two years straight, I don't see your point... | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:54 rename wrote: The issue is the best starcraft (GSL/OSL) is getting major shaft with the prize pool. GSL/OSL premier league will have best production, best players, best games, highest skill level but only a tiny part of the prize pool - hence taking away some of the prestige and magic. Do not forget the three WCS Global Finals with $150,000 each. | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On April 08 2013 19:18 Shawngood wrote: Keep in mind that while each GSL/Korean season might have less prize money there is still the season global final on top. So it is actually way more prize money now. Any details on travel compensation and/or if the regional partners can put some prize money on top? | ||
nimdil
Poland3754 Posts
The thing I don't like is that team leagues are not in the picture. I like team leagues. | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
Should have left GSL the fuck alone, Blizzard. | ||
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E.L.V.I.S
Belgium458 Posts
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bertu
Brazil871 Posts
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Khai
Australia553 Posts
This region lock policy will prevent the best Koreans from sweeping everything. Lets be honest here, top tier Koreans like Life, Mvp etc in 2012 have won tournaments in and outside Korea and the scheduling from the past allowed them to compete in foreign tournaments in between GSLs and take home nice bounties. Region locked WCS replacing the major IEMs and MLGs prevents them from flying around to compete in these premier events thus limiting them to just winning their local WCS no matter how strong or deserving of more titles they are. Adding WCS Globals don't really make up for it imo, also prizemoney for regional WCSs at $100,000 is rather small and does not exceed what the GSL already provides... This leads to overall less income for the Korean players and I feel mid-tier players will feel the most pain being unable to earn extra money from attending foreign events and having fewer GSLs now. I now feel that the motive behind everything is because lots of stupid foreign fans only want to watch the foreigners regardless of the far superior skills of the Koreans. I sincerely hope that the Koreans who haven't been doing well in Korea will consider switching regions and sweep the top positions, I'd love to see all 5 US and EU spots taken by them unless there are worthy foreigners and these days they are few and far between (atm Stephano, Lucifron, Scarlett and not many more...) Since Blizzard has taken this extreme form of "affirmative action", I hope these so called "pros" in the foreign scene step it up. I'd hate to see people lazing around and not taking their progaming career seriously winning more money just because of their geographical origins. | ||
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On April 08 2013 20:09 Khai wrote: Despite my initial positive reaction to the WCS system, with more details revealed I now have a pretty strong feeling against the unfairness towards the best. Needless to say, Korea has been the home of SC2 eSports, they win their own competitions and beat the competition abroad MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, NASL and swept almost everything in recent years. This region lock policy will prevent the best Koreans from sweeping everything. Lets be honest here, top tier Koreans like Life, Mvp etc in 2012 have won tournaments in and outside Korea and the scheduling from the past allowed them to compete in foreign tournaments in between GSLs and take home nice bounties. Region locked WCS replacing the major IEMs and MLGs prevents them from flying around to compete in these premier events thus limiting them to just winning their local WCS no matter how strong or deserving of more titles they are. Adding WCS Globals don't really make up for it imo, also prizemoney for regional WCSs at $100,000 is rather small and does not exceed what the GSL already provides... This leads to overall less income for the Korean players and I feel mid-tier players will feel the most pain being unable to earn extra money from attending foreign events and having fewer GSLs now. I now feel that the motive behind everything is because lots of stupid foreign fans only want to watch the foreigners regardless of the far superior skills of the Koreans. I sincerely hope that the Koreans who haven't been doing well in Korea will consider switching regions and sweep the top positions, I'd love to see all 5 US and EU spots taken by them unless there are worthy foreigners and these days they are few and far between (atm Stephano, Lucifron, Scarlett and not many more...) Since Blizzard has taken this extreme form of "affirmative action", I hope these so called "pros" in the foreign scene step it up. I'd hate to see people lazing around and not taking their progaming career seriously winning more money just because of their geographical origins. Yes lets blame the fans haha. You don't go out much do you? Plz watch some football and you will understand how real sport works. Yes people are actually cheering for Australia when they are playing against Argentina or Spain. even though they absolutely sucks. "Isn't that Insane? How dare the stupid fans cheer against the best team and players" People like you is a cancer for growing the sc2 scene tbh | ||
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bongling
41 Posts
I think this is good in the long run for the entire scene, but there will be casualties and some migration of talent away from korea but the best will overwhelmingly stay though and the talent pool is deep. What made GSL so awesome was the level of talent and the sweet production, both of which will remain high, and be seen for free by more people. Think macro not micro, early game might be rough but in the end, should be sweet. | ||
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triceratops
United States1 Post
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Fizzy
Sweden388 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:32 arkedos wrote: Which could also motivate EU and US players to finally practice properly Giving foreigners an option to earn money without beating koreans wont make them practise harder, i think its the other way around, it will keep them in their sepparate region thinking they are doing just fine then BAM global finals and koreans vs foreigners will be an even bigger stomp without a korean losing a single map to a foreigner You heard it here first. On April 08 2013 19:18 Shawngood wrote: Keep in mind that while each GSL/Korean season might have less prize money there is still the season global final on top. So it is actually way more prize money now. In 2012 there were 5 GSL tournaments each holding a total prizepool of $153 970 USD, 5*153970 = 769850. In 2013 there will be 1 GSL of 153970$, and 3x regional qualifiers, 1 global season final and 1 uberfinal, 153970+3*100000+150000+250000 = 853970. So there is a total difference of 84120$, but then we are forgetting that the global season final and the uberfinal will not only host the best players in the world, as GSL did, it will also include worse-than-top50korean-foreigners grabbing some of the lower placements and therefore some money. AND last year there were the 5 GSL and WCS on top of that. More importantly i hope there will be more GSL events than the Season 1 + WCS events, else the koreans who doesnt qualify for any of the season finals or global finals wont have anything to do for a loooooong period of time between GSLs. --- Now my thought on the matter, sure its great for the americans and european players that only play this game for money that blizzard has made this system, im not denying its a smart thing to do like IdrA, Demuslim and countless other players and cancle their plans of going to korean and flee back home. Because that is where they will be making the money. However, this will not be the beginning of some new era where foreigners are working harder and the result being a smaller gap between koreans and foreigners, it will probably be the opposite. With all our non-korean heroes spending their time practising against lower tier players, perhaps going on a 120 game winningspree on the NA ladder and thinking they are doing really well at the moment - they will probably be in mid tier korean-masters skill. They will then move on to their qualifiers and premier leagues... earning some money and gaining their points only to move to the season finals and get roflstomped as usual, only difference is that in order for koreans to get their money they will have to go to NA/EU for season finals rather than sit comfortably in their teamhouse waiting for GSL. Alot of people are going to read this post and be like "Lol, you are wrong, foreigners will be working alot harder now that there is something in it for them", and to you i shall give you the results of an experiment made in an college class to test complete Socialism. Bare with me: The professor gave the students a promise, he would give everyone the same grade, no1 would be given an F (failed) and no1 would be given an A (unless they all got the top/bottom grade). In this case you can substitute grades = money. At the first test the average grade was a B, the students who studied enough to get a higher grade were furious and the students who didnt study at all were very happy. When the second test came around, the students who didnt study studied even less.. and the students who studied also wanted a free ride and studied less. The outcome was an average grade of D, and everyone got that grade and became furious. At the third test the average was F and the entire class failed. From that point forward the class did not increase their grades and the entire class failed that semester. My point with this story is that blizzard is making the money equal in all regions -> People playing in a harder region will have to work harder to make less money than someone in an easier region. And people in easier regions will feel that they wont have to work harder will therefore slack off once they get the feeling they are in the premier league. It will be sad to see code B koreans, or even code S koreans currently qualifying for code A due to dropping out in the last season of WoL (Mvp, MC etc.), not being able to make as much money as a top NA players (who perhaps isnt even top 100 in the world) - ONLY because they were born in NA and happened to be lucky enough for blizzard to come along and give them easy money. This post is pretty long and only on the subject regarding the prizemoney and region distribution, there are still alot of not-so-great things with all of this... Blizzard trying to controll SC2 esports by not letting non-WCS tournaments host their tournaments during WCS events and making foreigners unable to play in the GSL if they want to qualify for WCS from their home region - for example. PS. Im not saying that socialism is bad, i live in Sweden (one of the most socialist countries in the world) and i am very happy and our system is great, but thats because we have a mix of capitalism/socialism... for example: A person with a high position, for example as CEO still earn alot more money than someone below him, however a person who doesnt earn as much as him is not screwed because he can get vital services such as healthcare or education for free. | ||
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
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m0ck
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On April 08 2013 20:09 Khai wrote: Despite my initial positive reaction to the WCS system, with more details revealed I now have a pretty strong feeling against the unfairness towards the best. Needless to say, Korea has been the home of SC2 eSports, they win their own competitions and beat the competition abroad MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, NASL and swept almost everything in recent years. This region lock policy will prevent the best Koreans from sweeping everything. Lets be honest here, top tier Koreans like Life, Mvp etc in 2012 have won tournaments in and outside Korea and the scheduling from the past allowed them to compete in foreign tournaments in between GSLs and take home nice bounties. Region locked WCS replacing the major IEMs and MLGs prevents them from flying around to compete in these premier events thus limiting them to just winning their local WCS no matter how strong or deserving of more titles they are. Adding WCS Globals don't really make up for it imo, also prizemoney for regional WCSs at $100,000 is rather small and does not exceed what the GSL already provides... This leads to overall less income for the Korean players and I feel mid-tier players will feel the most pain being unable to earn extra money from attending foreign events and having fewer GSLs now. I now feel that the motive behind everything is because lots of stupid foreign fans only want to watch the foreigners regardless of the far superior skills of the Koreans. I sincerely hope that the Koreans who haven't been doing well in Korea will consider switching regions and sweep the top positions, I'd love to see all 5 US and EU spots taken by them unless there are worthy foreigners and these days they are few and far between (atm Stephano, Lucifron, Scarlett and not many more...) Since Blizzard has taken this extreme form of "affirmative action", I hope these so called "pros" in the foreign scene step it up. I'd hate to see people lazing around and not taking their progaming career seriously winning more money just because of their geographical origins. For the millionth time, IEM, the MLG Pro Circuit, DreamHack, WCG, ESWC, Iron Squid, NASL, EPS etc are NOT part of WCS, and thus not region locked. Not only can any Korean participate in any of the events, they can also earn points to qualify for the Global Seasonal Finals and the World Finals at BlizzCon. The WCS Leagues in which the GSL Koreans can't participate are the SEPARATE WCS Leagues hosted by ESL and MLG, which are replacing the European and American WCS events, in which they couldn't have participated eitherway. If anything, its the lower end Koreans in Code A which will suffer because of the reduced prizepool, the Lifes, Mvps, MCs etc, will make even more money because they will definitely qualify for the Global Finals and BlizzCon and earn a ton of cash. | ||
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