• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:18
CET 15:18
KST 23:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)25Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 [Short Story] The Last GSL
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained
Brood War
General
Which foreign pros are considered the best? [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Fantasy's Q&A video
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1718 users

WCS 2013 Announced - April 3rd - Page 79

Forum Index > SC2 General
2213 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 77 78 79 80 81 111 Next
recklessfire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States373 Posts
April 03 2013 05:56 GMT
#1561
On April 03 2013 14:52 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 14:51 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On April 03 2013 14:41 myRZeth wrote:
this is just stupid

last wcs system was 10 times more interesting and finally a chance for upcoming players

this is for koreans to farm money


While I doubt this was done intentionally, I can see how abuse can stem from it. Imagine Root, Quantic, or Western Wolves bringing over their star players to compete in their home league. I doubt KESPA or ESF teams will send players over, but I can easily see foreign teams doing it.


I'd almost put money on Jaedong playing NA.


eg/tl invested a shitton of money into proleague, i dont think they are gona bring JD to america, when they need his help for proleague. I think idra/demuslim can hold the fort in NA actually, but EG looks like they are going to have players in each region
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 05:58:41
April 03 2013 05:56 GMT
#1562
On April 03 2013 14:54 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 14:52 vesicular wrote:
On April 03 2013 14:51 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On April 03 2013 14:41 myRZeth wrote:
this is just stupid

last wcs system was 10 times more interesting and finally a chance for upcoming players

this is for koreans to farm money


While I doubt this was done intentionally, I can see how abuse can stem from it. Imagine Root, Quantic, or Western Wolves bringing over their star players to compete in their home league. I doubt KESPA or ESF teams will send players over, but I can easily see foreign teams doing it.


I'd almost put money on Jaedong playing NA.


Unlikely, EG has invested too much money into PL/Korea to take away one of their decent players for an ample amount of time.


It's more likely than any of the other Kespa or eSF players moving over. Also, tell that to Stephano.
STX Fighting!
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1415 Posts
April 03 2013 06:00 GMT
#1563
On April 03 2013 14:41 myRZeth wrote:
this is just stupid

last wcs system was 10 times more interesting and finally a chance for upcoming players

this is for koreans to farm money

well, the catch is: if the koreans chose the "easy route" aka NA or EU, they can't play in their big national league (WCS Korea previously known as GSL and OSL). considering that the dream and highest goal of many korean progamers is to play on the big screen and display their skills to their countryman (and international viewers, too), they have a tough choice ahead of them.

on the other hand, foreigners now have to chose between:
a) staying home, chosing their league (NA or EU) and probably die to koreans.
b) go to korea, but still play in NA/EU with lag, resulting in getting even more slaughtered, but with a better practice environment and more chances at other events resulting from better practice.
c) go to korea and chose to qualify through the korean qualifiers and look down on all the wusses who chosed something different. and naturally getting their ass handed to them.

now you have to see it differentiated. of course, on the first look, this is quite bad. our foreigners have limited chances to qualify for the finals, since every way will have them facing koreans. this means less foreigner representation at the biggest sc2-tournament this year and results in posssibly less hype for the tournament. BUT: on the other hand, foreigners finally are forced to do somehing to stay relevant in the competition. they have to face and beat top class koreans, which means that the count of relevant foreigners will dwindle, but those who remain will eventually be good enough to stand up against the koreans.

also, you shouldn't forget that only the GSL/OSL are now transformed into a pure WCS-qualifier. there will be many other offline tournaments which will be exactly like they always have been. in the end, this system tries to get the best of the best to the finals, unlike last year, where less than the half of the players weren't really on the level of the top koreans who attended the tournament. it's maybe a lot meaner to foreigner, but overall it is fairer, because you now actually have to be among the best to qualify.
Exigaet
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada355 Posts
April 03 2013 06:01 GMT
#1564
Instead of inviting the top 5 qualifiers from each of the 3 regions, then giving a spot to the hosting region; why don't they just invite PartinG back for winning WCS 2012?
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
April 03 2013 06:02 GMT
#1565
On April 03 2013 14:56 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 14:54 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On April 03 2013 14:52 vesicular wrote:
On April 03 2013 14:51 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On April 03 2013 14:41 myRZeth wrote:
this is just stupid

last wcs system was 10 times more interesting and finally a chance for upcoming players

this is for koreans to farm money


While I doubt this was done intentionally, I can see how abuse can stem from it. Imagine Root, Quantic, or Western Wolves bringing over their star players to compete in their home league. I doubt KESPA or ESF teams will send players over, but I can easily see foreign teams doing it.


I'd almost put money on Jaedong playing NA.


Unlikely, EG has invested too much money into PL/Korea to take away one of their decent players for an ample amount of time.


It's more likely than any of the other Kespa or eSF players moving over. Also, tell that to Stephano.


They just hired a coach who probably is making six figures a year, contracted two new players, and have a very shallow lineup. Aside from Jaedong, who else is there that can compete on a high level in ZvX? The only way they will get Jaedong in America is if they create a "Little Seoul" in Arizona and fly in 747s of fan girls to simulate life for Jaedong.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 03 2013 06:05 GMT
#1566
On April 03 2013 14:55 Opera wrote:
Is that it ? I was expecting something huger.


I was expecting something bigger than the biggest change in Starcraft we've ever seen.

Talk about unrealistic expectations.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
April 03 2013 06:05 GMT
#1567
Wait so let me get this strait...plz correct me if I am wrong...

there will be 2x GSL and 1 OSL per year (3 WCS total)
there will be 3 major MLG tournaments per year (All worth WCS points)
there will be 3 ESL's (again, all worth WCS points)
3 joint tournaments (top 5,5,6 from regions) for WCS
1 Grand championship
===================

And that's it from MLG, ESL, and GSL/OSL (excluding team leagues) ??????

So aside from that.. dreamhack, IEM... aaaand NASL? Do I understand above the "======" correctly?

Or will there be regular MLG + WCS MGL?...Regular GSL + WCS GSL...etc etc... I'm confused.
IreScath
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 03 2013 06:08 GMT
#1568
On April 03 2013 15:01 Exigaet wrote:
Instead of inviting the top 5 qualifiers from each of the 3 regions, then giving a spot to the hosting region; why don't they just invite PartinG back for winning WCS 2012?


PartinG gets to be the 16th seed for all 3 seasons? That doesn't seem too fair.

PartinG should just get the 16th spot for when Korea does the host seasonal finale (hopefully this season).
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
cladoliver
Profile Joined December 2012
Brazil38 Posts
April 03 2013 06:08 GMT
#1569
jaedong, revival, seed, killer, mvp, vampire, tear, dream, first


all those top players are CODE B actually, if they are smart they not fight the "code b" on wcs korea again, go to wcs europe or wcs na and dominates...

i think a good thing to point system is giving a player who belongs to the region he is playing more points than a "foreigner" in that region, imagine flash winning wcs na, and (put a american player here) winning the wcs na, the american are reward more points than flash, it will encourage the koreans to really think about move
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 06:13:58
April 03 2013 06:10 GMT
#1570
On April 03 2013 15:05 IreScath wrote:
Wait so let me get this strait...plz correct me if I am wrong...

there will be 2x GSL and 1 OSL per year (3 WCS total)
there will be 3 major MLG tournaments per year (All worth WCS points)
there will be 3 ESL's (again, all worth WCS points)
3 joint tournaments (top 5,5,6 from regions) for WCS
1 Grand championship
===================

And that's it from MLG, ESL, and GSL/OSL (excluding team leagues) ??????

So aside from that.. dreamhack, IEM... aaaand NASL? Do I understand above the "======" correctly?

Or will there be regular MLG + WCS MGL?...Regular GSL + WCS GSL...etc etc... I'm confused.


GSL and OSL will be the same tournament as WCS KR. But there will be regular MLG like before and another WCS NA organized by MLG.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
April 03 2013 06:10 GMT
#1571
Could someone translate what MCsaid about WCS ? https://twitter.com/sk__mc
Exigaet
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada355 Posts
April 03 2013 06:10 GMT
#1572
On April 03 2013 15:05 IreScath wrote:
Wait so let me get this strait...plz correct me if I am wrong...

there will be 2x GSL and 1 OSL per year (3 WCS total)
there will be 3 major MLG tournaments per year (All worth WCS points)
there will be 3 ESL's (again, all worth WCS points)
3 joint tournaments (top 5,5,6 from regions) for WCS
1 Grand championship
===================

And that's it from MLG, ESL, and GSL/OSL (excluding team leagues) ??????

So aside from that.. dreamhack, IEM... aaaand NASL? Do I understand above the "======" correctly?

Or will there be regular MLG + WCS MGL?...Regular GSL + WCS GSL...etc etc... I'm confused.


Read the small text in the pictures on the first page. They should clear some stuff up.
IreScath
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada521 Posts
April 03 2013 06:11 GMT
#1573
On April 03 2013 15:10 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 15:05 IreScath wrote:
Wait so let me get this strait...plz correct me if I am wrong...

there will be 2x GSL and 1 OSL per year (3 WCS total)
there will be 3 major MLG tournaments per year (All worth WCS points)
there will be 3 ESL's (again, all worth WCS points)
3 joint tournaments (top 5,5,6 from regions) for WCS
1 Grand championship
===================

And that's it from MLG, ESL, and GSL/OSL (excluding team leagues) ??????

So aside from that.. dreamhack, IEM... aaaand NASL? Do I understand above the "======" correctly?

Or will there be regular MLG + WCS MGL?...Regular GSL + WCS GSL...etc etc... I'm confused.


GSL and OSL will be the same tournament as WCS KR. But their will be regular MLG like before and another WCS NA organized by MLG.


ok cool... I was worried the MLG content would plummet! Same goes for ESL as with MLG?
IreScath
Exigaet
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada355 Posts
April 03 2013 06:11 GMT
#1574
On April 03 2013 15:08 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 15:01 Exigaet wrote:
Instead of inviting the top 5 qualifiers from each of the 3 regions, then giving a spot to the hosting region; why don't they just invite PartinG back for winning WCS 2012?


PartinG gets to be the 16th seed for all 3 seasons? That doesn't seem too fair.

PartinG should just get the 16th spot for when Korea does the host seasonal finale (hopefully this season).


Not for all 3 seasons. For the grand finals at Blizzcon.
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
April 03 2013 06:12 GMT
#1575
On April 03 2013 15:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 14:55 Opera wrote:
Is that it ? I was expecting something huger.


I was expecting something bigger than the biggest change in Starcraft we've ever seen.

Talk about unrealistic expectations.


Considering how many big names were there, this is really nothing big.
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 06:13:40
April 03 2013 06:13 GMT
#1576
On April 03 2013 15:12 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 15:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 03 2013 14:55 Opera wrote:
Is that it ? I was expecting something huger.


I was expecting something bigger than the biggest change in Starcraft we've ever seen.

Talk about unrealistic expectations.


Considering how many big names were there, this is really nothing big.


what could possibly be bigger than this that's not negative? lol
ShakkaFL
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway647 Posts
April 03 2013 06:14 GMT
#1577
this is just a silly plot to let foreigners play the koreans <_<
Terran 24/7
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 06:22:37
April 03 2013 06:15 GMT
#1578
On April 03 2013 15:13 EpiK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 15:12 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On April 03 2013 15:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 03 2013 14:55 Opera wrote:
Is that it ? I was expecting something huger.


I was expecting something bigger than the biggest change in Starcraft we've ever seen.

Talk about unrealistic expectations.


Considering how many big names were there, this is really nothing big.


what could possibly be bigger than this that's not negative? lol

I was hoping merge of GSTL and SPL. And more Korean tournaments than this alternating thing.
You kids have no imagination.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 03 2013 06:16 GMT
#1579
as someone who is not a hardcore sc2 follower i don't understand what this actually means for me as a viewer
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
April 03 2013 06:17 GMT
#1580
It's such a shame, WCS was the only non-Korean event I was really excited for last year. It was so different from everything else, it had such great ideas and opportunities. I don't know. I guess I might watch it.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Prev 1 77 78 79 80 81 111 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
14:00
#71
WardiTV3557
Rex102
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech122
Rex 104
Harstem 88
gerald23 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 4221
Jaedong 1468
Flash 1264
Larva 893
BeSt 686
Mini 590
Hyuk 574
Light 497
Soma 429
Stork 368
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 340
ZerO 321
firebathero 294
Snow 259
Soulkey 238
actioN 215
Barracks 141
Zeus 118
Rush 118
JYJ 115
Mind 95
Sharp 88
Pusan 88
Sea.KH 66
Shuttle 64
JulyZerg 52
[sc1f]eonzerg 46
PianO 44
Mong 35
Shinee 35
yabsab 33
sorry 33
Free 25
Bale 24
ToSsGirL 22
scan(afreeca) 21
HiyA 18
soO 18
ivOry 14
GoRush 13
Terrorterran 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Rock 6
Dota 2
Gorgc4879
singsing2771
qojqva1225
Dendi491
420jenkins325
Fuzer 239
BananaSlamJamma142
Counter-Strike
kennyS2947
olofmeister2111
byalli733
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King105
Other Games
B2W.Neo1097
hiko552
Pyrionflax251
crisheroes233
Happy194
Hui .148
ToD133
edward27
ZerO(Twitch)24
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 992
lovetv 9
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 4
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV327
• lizZardDota257
League of Legends
• TFBlade2042
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
2h 42m
OSC
9h 42m
Replay Cast
18h 42m
RongYI Cup
20h 42m
Clem vs TriGGeR
Maru vs Creator
WardiTV Invitational
23h 42m
Replay Cast
1d 18h
RongYI Cup
1d 20h
herO vs Solar
WardiTV Invitational
1d 23h
The PondCast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
HomeStory Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.