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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
March 28 2013 11:25 GMT
#381
For people with short memory, here's a Stephano interview right before his Code S match where he talks about how happy he is in Korea and how he'll easily 2-0 Innovation.

Then he got wrecked in the GSL and begun to hate Korea.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396747
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 28 2013 11:40 GMT
#382
Good decision.
Sick of all the seeding anyway.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
March 28 2013 11:46 GMT
#383
On March 28 2013 20:15 Boonbag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 20:08 Velr wrote:
On March 28 2013 19:04 theMagus wrote:
On March 28 2013 18:05 Cornstarched wrote:
Good Koreans need to learn that their little sc1 bubble dosnt exsist anymore


what sc1 bubble? anyone was welcome to try to join their ranks and compete. it's the skill level that really separated the koreans from the rest of the world. if that's your basis for saying that, then it still pretty much exists



What bubble? The Bubble that you have to move to Korea to compete in big tournaments because there just were no big tournaments anywhere else?

It is not like that anymore and that is very good.


well you fail to admit that competing in starcraft in korea is something in itself.

just like traveling around the world for events

there was no korean bubble in WC3 and it went all very well


yes there was. from 2002-2005 Korea was the wc3 mecca that every great foreigners had to come to, get pwnzed and improve. SK squad arrived in 2003, Insomnia won WCG later that year. 4K gave a shot in 2004, Grubby won WCG. Sky got teared apart in WEG series but went on to win WCG 2005. I believe all of them would credit their victories to the Korean experience
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
March 28 2013 12:10 GMT
#384
hahaha, even TL is getting tired of the Stephano-in-GSL drama. We're just dialing it in at this point.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Juggernaut477
Profile Joined May 2011
United States379 Posts
March 28 2013 12:15 GMT
#385
On March 28 2013 20:25 sitromit wrote:
For people with short memory, here's a Stephano interview right before his Code S match where he talks about how happy he is in Korea and how he'll easily 2-0 Innovation.

Then he got wrecked in the GSL and begun to hate Korea.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396747



Yup, this always happens when foreigners go to Korea.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 28 2013 12:35 GMT
#386
For people who dont remember, Stephano wasnt seeded into this GSL. He made it through the up&downs.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
March 28 2013 12:39 GMT
#387
Good decision. He didn't seem very happy in Korea. Very different lifestyle and unless you've been through something similar, you won't understand how difficult it can be.
Juggernaut477
Profile Joined May 2011
United States379 Posts
March 28 2013 12:43 GMT
#388
On March 28 2013 21:35 Big J wrote:
For people who dont remember, Stephano wasnt seeded into this GSL. He made it through the up&downs.


He was seeded into the previous.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
March 28 2013 12:45 GMT
#389
On March 28 2013 21:35 Big J wrote:
For people who dont remember, Stephano wasnt seeded into this GSL. He made it through the up&downs.


By getting 2nd place in a group that was down to only 4 players because Yonghwa dropped out at the last moment, when the other up-and-down groups had 6. Not the first time a foreigner got lucky in the up-and-downs. We've all seen the story of how that ends up when they play in ro32 later.
Noli
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 13:05:24
March 28 2013 13:02 GMT
#390
When you're a full-time player it's detrimental to your practice and skill not being in Korea the only reason not to be is just pure laziness. Same attitude as someone who always takes the easy route knowing it's not as good. If you're a fulltime pro your JOB IS Starcraft so stop half arsing it.

HotS is harder than WoL was and you have the Kespa giants to deal with this time around being as laid back outside Korea will not work this time around.

Calling it now that all international HotS events will be taken by either a Korean or a Foreigner living in Korea like Naniwa.

To all the foreigners who stayed outside Korea in WoL and were successful in WoL and think that'll happen again in a Harder game with a much stronger Korean scene are joking themselves and deserve to fall behind.


I understand for some players such as White-Ra this probably isn't possible but if you're not tied down to other work, family or business such as Catz and running Root you have no excuse to not be in Korea especially right now when there's no International events.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
March 28 2013 13:05 GMT
#391
it's fun we get this the same day the flash iview is translated where he basically states how his practice regime is going to go nuts in the incoming weeks
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25506 Posts
March 28 2013 13:05 GMT
#392
On March 28 2013 22:05 Boonbag wrote:
it's fun we get this the same day the flash iview is translated where he basically states how his practice regime is going to go nuts in the incoming weeks

What is nuts for Flash? If he thinks it's insane he's really going overboard haha
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 13:09:35
March 28 2013 13:08 GMT
#393
On March 28 2013 22:05 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 22:05 Boonbag wrote:
it's fun we get this the same day the flash iview is translated where he basically states how his practice regime is going to go nuts in the incoming weeks

What is nuts for Flash? If he thinks it's insane he's really going overboard haha



Well he states that since mlg he found his vibe in sc2 and can now truly practice 100% - meaning something i guess like going from 6-8 hours sessions to 8-12 or something

edit: although tbh flash interviews are all the same since years i believe - basically saying "i need to practice some more" everytime he's asked about pretty much anything
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
March 28 2013 13:17 GMT
#394
as long as there are so many european events this is a good choice for him.

You can probably make more money scoring well at every european tournament then trying to compete in korea. GSL code S is above his level anyway, he could perhaps make RO16 with some luck but he doesn't stand a chance to win it at all.
Korea is just far above foreigners, regardless of them training in korea or not. It's more a mentality thing than a training environment I think though living in a good teamhouse helps.
Prizes like snute just won are much better to go for, few koreans competing and the format of not really being able to prepare much probably suits stephano better.
Tournaments with massive preparation have been horrible for stephano anyway, the weekend tournament with tons of games per day suits his style more
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 28 2013 13:58 GMT
#395
On March 28 2013 21:45 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 21:35 Big J wrote:
For people who dont remember, Stephano wasnt seeded into this GSL. He made it through the up&downs.


By getting 2nd place in a group that was down to only 4 players because Yonghwa dropped out at the last moment, when the other up-and-down groups had 6. Not the first time a foreigner got lucky in the up-and-downs. We've all seen the story of how that ends up when they play in ro32 later.


So Stephano and MarineKing dont deserve their Code S spots, because Yongwha shit his pants?
Yes, people get lucky, whatever. Should I remind you how unlucky Stephano was in the GSL before to play against the best Terran in the world not only once but twice?

And yeah, we see how this ends up: Stephano raping Hack in the group stages and taking 3rd in his group, better than 8 other players who only got 4th place in their groups. Better than Mvp, Nestea, Yoda or Byun.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
March 28 2013 14:03 GMT
#396
On March 28 2013 18:05 Cornstarched wrote:
Good Koreans need to learn that their little sc1 bubble dosnt exsist anymore


They have. That's why they go to foreign tournaments, beat Stephano, and take the top 4-5 places and all the top money. He hasn't won a major foreign tournament in a little while.

I find it worrying that 'the one true foreign hope' is someone who got caned in his first GSL appearance and then skulked off back to the foreign scene because it's easier.

It may be the wisest financial decision, but it speaks volumes about our side of the scene when that's the best attitude we've got.

My fingers are crossed that Scarlett will bloom into the next foreign hope. She's definitely got the potential.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 28 2013 14:07 GMT
#397
On March 28 2013 22:08 Boonbag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 22:05 Wombat_NI wrote:
On March 28 2013 22:05 Boonbag wrote:
it's fun we get this the same day the flash iview is translated where he basically states how his practice regime is going to go nuts in the incoming weeks

What is nuts for Flash? If he thinks it's insane he's really going overboard haha



Well he states that since mlg he found his vibe in sc2 and can now truly practice 100% - meaning something i guess like going from 6-8 hours sessions to 8-12 or something

edit: although tbh flash interviews are all the same since years i believe - basically saying "i need to practice some more" everytime he's asked about pretty much anything


With a player of Flash’s level you have to assume that all of his interviews are also marketing too. He is always going to say his is practicing as hard as ever and that his routine is insane. I have no doubt that he is practicing a ton and 8-14 hours sounds about right. But really, he likely practices and reviews his games as much as his coach recommends and he feels is necessary.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
March 28 2013 14:08 GMT
#398
It's for the best. Good that he recognizes he won't have profits from staying in gsl
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
March 28 2013 14:13 GMT
#399
On March 28 2013 20:08 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 19:04 theMagus wrote:
On March 28 2013 18:05 Cornstarched wrote:
Good Koreans need to learn that their little sc1 bubble dosnt exsist anymore


what sc1 bubble? anyone was welcome to try to join their ranks and compete. it's the skill level that really separated the koreans from the rest of the world. if that's your basis for saying that, then it still pretty much exists



What bubble? The Bubble that you have to move to Korea to compete in big tournaments because there just were no big tournaments anywhere else?

It is not like that anymore and that is very good.


if it wasn't for koreans, there would be no large formal competitive starcraft scene with a large fanbase. it wasn't really a 'bubble' intended by the koreans. they were just pretty much doing their own shit cause they liked the game, and they welcomed people who wanted to participate like idra. they certainly don't deserve the 'koreans need to learn blahblah' bullcrap.
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 28 2013 14:13 GMT
#400
On March 28 2013 23:03 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 18:05 Cornstarched wrote:
Good Koreans need to learn that their little sc1 bubble dosnt exsist anymore


They have. That's why they go to foreign tournaments, beat Stephano, and take the top 4-5 places and all the top money. He hasn't won a major foreign tournament in a little while.

I find it worrying that 'the one true foreign hope' is someone who got caned in his first GSL appearance and then skulked off back to the foreign scene because it's easier.

It may be the wisest financial decision, but it speaks volumes about our side of the scene when that's the best attitude we've got.

My fingers are crossed that Scarlett will bloom into the next foreign hope. She's definitely got the potential.


Scarlett seems to be in a environment for her with Axiom. TB and his wife seem to be focused on making sure their players can focus on practice and get better and I would not be surprised if they pick up a coach in the coming months. With TB and the Game Station at the head of their marketing, they are going to be to focus on winning, rather than putting up numbers to show to sponsors to keep their team viable. I have high hopes that Scarlett can do well in Korea.
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