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WombaT
Northern Ireland27219 Posts
By all means, write of Korea and be happy in the foreign scene, or base yourself there and try to get to the top. It's the arrogance of swanning in, taking a seed off a deserving player on an arbitrary basis and then forfeiting as soon as they go out, in many, many occasions. At least Nani effectively 'earned' his Code S slot through his placement in Providence I think it was? Go back to that at least, or something similar, link between tournaments better! Make it more defined, do something. | ||
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
They have no significant damage to the integrity of tournament competition, and no long term commitment necessary for foreigners also, while still promoting foreign players very well. | ||
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MysticaL
Canada118 Posts
There are so many koreans who work so hard to get a Code S spot and foreigners just throw it away... This isn't the first time a foreigner throws away an opportunity like this either. As much as I want to see foreigners compete in code S and pwn some koreans, with the attitude towards it now I feel like foreigners don't deserve invites  | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On March 28 2013 16:38 MysticaL wrote: In my opinion, I think he shouldn't have participated in the Up & Downs to get a Code S Spot There are so many koreans who work so hard to get a Code S spot and foreigners just throw it away... This isn't the first time a foreigner throws away an opportunity like this either. As much as I want to see foreigners compete in code S and pwn some koreans, with the attitude towards it now I feel like foreigners don't deserve invites Gom can always still hold an emergency consolation tournament to determine which of the unsuccessfull up-and-down players can get the code S spot. | ||
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Lovedoll
Japan540 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On March 28 2013 17:23 JustPassingBy wrote: Gom can always still hold an emergency consolation tournament to determine which of the unsuccessfull up-and-down players can get the code S spot. They did. MVPKeen won and is now in Code S. | ||
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DarkenedLite
United States188 Posts
Foreigners that want to train and participate can cycle in as needed, but it never seemed like that was Stephano's style. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
Happens all the time. Discounting idra for several reasons, Nony was the only player post 2004 to have anything remotly close to the talent needed to compete that went to Korea. Everysingle other true gifted foreign player in bw from elky's semi final in ogn until Nony at Estro didn't want to leave for Korean pro team house. And when i say "gifted" i say this like we had one of those once every three year - and so most of them didn't even want to attempt korea. It's totally not uncommon. edit : ret's shot at korea was a fucked all around while he had also the potential to do good at courage and get license i think edit : actually idra / draco are to me, post hexatron, the only true foreign pro gamers in korea that ever existed. Even if they didn't win, they fucking lasted. | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
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Cornstarched
Canada74 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27219 Posts
On March 28 2013 17:52 Boonbag wrote: He's not the first talented player that will let it go. Happens all the time. Discounting idra for several reasons, Nony was the only player post 2004 to have anything remotly close to the talent needed to compete that went to Korea. Everysingle other true gifted foreign player in bw from elky's semi final in ogn until Nony at Estro didn't want to leave for Korean pro team house. And when i say "gifted" i say this like we had one of those once every three year - and so most of them didn't even want to attempt korea. It's totally not uncommon. edit : ret's shot at korea was a fucked all around while he had also the potential to do good at courage and get license i think edit : actually idra / draco are to me, post hexatron, the only true foreign pro gamers in korea that ever existed. Even if they didn't win, they fucking lasted. Speaking of Mr Fields, it's a shame he didn't stick it out there. For all his infamous rage, he was definitely the best foreign player in the world at one stage, and he lasted before. It's a shame that he can make more money by having the occasional tantrum on stream for the benefit of immature viewers than really pushing himself to be the best he can be, he's a guy I have a lot of time for nonetheless. I didn't realise Nony was that good? I know that he was well-regarded here of course, but for us who weren't around in the BW time it's nice to get some background, cheers. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On March 28 2013 18:08 Wombat_NI wrote: Speaking of Mr Fields, it's a shame he didn't stick it out there. For all his infamous rage, he was definitely the best foreign player in the world at one stage, and he lasted before. It's a shame that he can make more money by having the occasional tantrum on stream for the benefit of immature viewers than really pushing himself to be the best he can be, he's a guy I have a lot of time for nonetheless. I didn't realise Nony was that good? I know that he was well-regarded here of course, but for us who weren't around in the BW time it's nice to get some background, cheers. Ret also had a good shot at BW but to me Nony always displayed much more raw talent. He is the only foreign player I ever saw in the late bw era beeing able to dismantle people in Korea. Too bad he didn't stay long enough over there. But I think at that time, living in the estro house was kind of hardcore. I'm not sure how better Idra was at CJ's. But CJ was for sure a much bigger and richer team. edit : actually with all the changes EG TL made to their coach / player roster and all the money they putting it in, I believe they have a real shot now for the last round. Even for the two first rounds, I thought they'd get destroyed 100%, but they put up a good fight given the situation. | ||
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theMagus
578 Posts
On March 28 2013 18:05 Cornstarched wrote: Good Koreans need to learn that their little sc1 bubble dosnt exsist anymore what sc1 bubble? anyone was welcome to try to join their ranks and compete. it's the skill level that really separated the koreans from the rest of the world. if that's your basis for saying that, then it still pretty much exists | ||
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GunSec
1095 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On March 28 2013 19:18 GunSec wrote: I remember there was this norwegian kid Slayers that was extremely good in Starcraft and he went to Korea for the first time and won a huge torunament and was offered a pro contract in a korean team but turned it down, I guess its not for everybody but stephano should have not qualified for code S if he not intended to play it instead of wasting time and dissapoint a lot of fans. ABS Slayer won the KBK and was later invited by OGN for a special showmach against BOXER on tv, where Slayer displayed awesome skills without any form of huge preparation. He had to go school and couldn't stay in korea. I believe he was pretty young at that time, like 16 or 17. edit : slayer had a pretty strong zvt at that time and was a formidable opponent. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On March 28 2013 18:08 Wombat_NI wrote: Speaking of Mr Fields, it's a shame he didn't stick it out there. For all his infamous rage, he was definitely the best foreign player in the world at one stage, and he lasted before. It's a shame that he can make more money by having the occasional tantrum on stream for the benefit of immature viewers than really pushing himself to be the best he can be, he's a guy I have a lot of time for nonetheless. I didn't realise Nony was that good? I know that he was well-regarded here of course, but for us who weren't around in the BW time it's nice to get some background, cheers. Hey. As someone who didn't follow the bw scene, watching videos of Nony's and Ret's courage attempts were quite interesting. + Show Spoiler + Unforuntately I could find no videos of Idra's attempts. Anyone know how he fared? | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10924 Posts
On March 28 2013 19:04 theMagus wrote: what sc1 bubble? anyone was welcome to try to join their ranks and compete. it's the skill level that really separated the koreans from the rest of the world. if that's your basis for saying that, then it still pretty much exists What bubble? The Bubble that you have to move to Korea to compete in big tournaments because there just were no big tournaments anywhere else? It is not like that anymore and that is very good. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On March 28 2013 20:08 Velr wrote: What bubble? The Bubble that you have to move to Korea to compete in big tournaments because there just were no big tournaments anywhere else? It is not like that anymore and that is very good. well you fail to admit that competing in starcraft in korea is something in itself. just like traveling around the world for events there was no korean bubble in WC3 and it went all very well | ||
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