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Well I'm sad that I won't be able to see Stephano as a Code S regular like he could have been if he stayed. If he wasn't happy there and didn't feel like it was optimal training environment, then I guess it can't be helped.
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On March 28 2013 08:52 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 08:48 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:41 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:39 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself? 1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one. 2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work. 3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy. 4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S. 1. Yeah but the aim to make money as the only goal is exactly what corporations do. 2. Come on, you're doing it again. Looking at it from HIS perspective. The viewer perspective is to see the best matches. in MMA we want to see Anderson Silva vs another champion because it is a great fight. In starcraft the viewer wants to see stephano vs whoever the hell it happens to be you and others want to see him against. 3. He isn't forced to. Hell he could quit and become a pop star if he wants, the point is not what he wants, it is what the fans want. Do the fans want to see him become a pop star? No, they want to see him make foreigners matter in the scene and the fans should feel negative about his leaving korea and hurting this desire of fans. 4. People want to see foreigners succeed vs koreans and win GSLs(not me but many people). So, why are you being his spokesman instead of voicing your own desires? because i don't think a fans desire should be to make the player miserable? Sorry that I view Stephano as an individual. I don't think any of his fans should be upset that he isn't staying in Korea when they know he isn't happy there. You aren't really a fan of his if you feel that way. Well I am not a fan of his, but I still feel very confused about peoples defense of his actions. Stephano pay check hunting and not playing in the most prestigious league is not the defense, its the thing that should be judged. Is this good or bad for a person to do in your view? I know personally I will root for people who work hard, want to play the best, and care about entertaining the fans over a pay check. Why would you be a fan of someone who doesn't want to work as hard as his competitors or make sacrifices? his fans want to see him win. He wins outside of Korea. Its quite simple really. I have no problem with a player trying to make as much money as possible. Honestly, its stupid not to. Stephano is just more open about it than other players.
I just always thought people care about dedication(he is very much not dedicated), hard work(probably puts in a reasonable number of hours but no where near as much as the koreans and some other foreigners), a desire to earn their way(scarlett or jinro turning down a seed to go through qualifiers), willing to make sacrifices(Major or 99% of koreans grinding it out to be the best), heart(pushing through adversity, like MVP winning a championship with his wrist problems), desire to be the best(Flash, MVP, etc), desire to entertain the fans(im sure he has some desire, but people DEFINITELY wanted to see him try to win code S), and the desire for greatness over personal profit(Achilles, Albert Einstein, and other remember-able people vs corporate CEO trying to maximize profit even if it means harming the environment or giving themselves bonuses at the expensive of employees. Are these not the traits people look for to root for individuals? Support whatever you want but I certainly do not understand it.
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Sad about this. I guess it would be a good time to stop playing, the foreign scene seems to die anyways. Sad days for Starcraft fans 
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On March 28 2013 09:00 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 08:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:48 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:41 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:39 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself? 1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one. 2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work. 3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy. 4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S. 1. Yeah but the aim to make money as the only goal is exactly what corporations do. 2. Come on, you're doing it again. Looking at it from HIS perspective. The viewer perspective is to see the best matches. in MMA we want to see Anderson Silva vs another champion because it is a great fight. In starcraft the viewer wants to see stephano vs whoever the hell it happens to be you and others want to see him against. 3. He isn't forced to. Hell he could quit and become a pop star if he wants, the point is not what he wants, it is what the fans want. Do the fans want to see him become a pop star? No, they want to see him make foreigners matter in the scene and the fans should feel negative about his leaving korea and hurting this desire of fans. 4. People want to see foreigners succeed vs koreans and win GSLs(not me but many people). So, why are you being his spokesman instead of voicing your own desires? because i don't think a fans desire should be to make the player miserable? Sorry that I view Stephano as an individual. I don't think any of his fans should be upset that he isn't staying in Korea when they know he isn't happy there. You aren't really a fan of his if you feel that way. Well I am not a fan of his, but I still feel very confused about peoples defense of his actions. Stephano pay check hunting and not playing in the most prestigious league is not the defense, its the thing that should be judged. Is this good or bad for a person to do in your view? I know personally I will root for people who work hard, want to play the best, and care about entertaining the fans over a pay check. Why would you be a fan of someone who doesn't want to work as hard as his competitors or make sacrifices? his fans want to see him win. He wins outside of Korea. Its quite simple really. I have no problem with a player trying to make as much money as possible. Honestly, its stupid not to. Stephano is just more open about it than other players. I just always thought people care about dedication(he is very much not dedicated), hard work(probably puts in a reasonable number of hours but no where near as much as the koreans and some other foreigners), a desire to earn their way(scarlett or jinro turning down a seed to go through qualifiers), willing to make sacrifices(Major or 99% of koreans grinding it out to be the best), heart(pushing through adversity, like MVP winning a championship with his wrist problems), desire to be the best(Flash, MVP, etc), desire to entertain the fans(im sure he has some desire, but people DEFINITELY wanted to see him try to win code S), and the desire for greatness over personal profit(Achilles, Albert Einstein, and other remember-able people vs corporate CEO trying to maximize profit even if it means harming the environment or giving themselves bonuses at the expensive of employees. Are these not the traits people look for to root for individuals? Support whatever you want but I certainly do not understand it.
players have fans for numerous different reasons. trying to limit it to X amount is dumb. honestly trying to understand fans is dumb because its all personal preference. People could like him because of his hair. It really doesn't matter. One of the biggest reasons people like Stephano is because he wins. Just like why the Yankees are the most popular team in baseball and why the Miami Heat have a ton of fans right now. They win and they win a lot. Stephano is no different.
If you can't understand that part, then I don't know what to tell you.
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I think the greatest reason why Stephano chose to leave now is because he had had enough of Korea. He complained in an interview a bit back and he said he hated living in Korea and that he could not get along with the coach. While the head coach has been changed, the coach is still working in the house and coaching the players under the direction of Coach Park. Also the Korean players still could not speak English well and it is still hard to communicate. The situation has not changed since Stephano's last interview and that is why I think he could not stand it any more.
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On March 28 2013 08:52 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 08:48 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:41 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:39 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself? 1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one. 2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work. 3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy. 4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S. 1. Yeah but the aim to make money as the only goal is exactly what corporations do. 2. Come on, you're doing it again. Looking at it from HIS perspective. The viewer perspective is to see the best matches. in MMA we want to see Anderson Silva vs another champion because it is a great fight. In starcraft the viewer wants to see stephano vs whoever the hell it happens to be you and others want to see him against. 3. He isn't forced to. Hell he could quit and become a pop star if he wants, the point is not what he wants, it is what the fans want. Do the fans want to see him become a pop star? No, they want to see him make foreigners matter in the scene and the fans should feel negative about his leaving korea and hurting this desire of fans. 4. People want to see foreigners succeed vs koreans and win GSLs(not me but many people). So, why are you being his spokesman instead of voicing your own desires? because i don't think a fans desire should be to make the player miserable? Sorry that I view Stephano as an individual. I don't think any of his fans should be upset that he isn't staying in Korea when they know he isn't happy there. You aren't really a fan of his if you feel that way. Well I am not a fan of his, but I still feel very confused about peoples defense of his actions. Stephano pay check hunting and not playing in the most prestigious league is not the defense, its the thing that should be judged. Is this good or bad for a person to do in your view? I know personally I will root for people who work hard, want to play the best, and care about entertaining the fans over a pay check. Why would you be a fan of someone who doesn't want to work as hard as his competitors or make sacrifices? his fans want to see him win. He wins outside of Korea. Its quite simple really. I have no problem with a player trying to make as much money as possible. Honestly, its stupid not to. Stephano is just more open about it than other players.
If his fans want to see him win that much, I guess somebody should make him new account so that he can pawn bronze and make his fans happy.
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On March 28 2013 09:08 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 09:00 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:48 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:41 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:39 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself? 1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one. 2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work. 3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy. 4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S. 1. Yeah but the aim to make money as the only goal is exactly what corporations do. 2. Come on, you're doing it again. Looking at it from HIS perspective. The viewer perspective is to see the best matches. in MMA we want to see Anderson Silva vs another champion because it is a great fight. In starcraft the viewer wants to see stephano vs whoever the hell it happens to be you and others want to see him against. 3. He isn't forced to. Hell he could quit and become a pop star if he wants, the point is not what he wants, it is what the fans want. Do the fans want to see him become a pop star? No, they want to see him make foreigners matter in the scene and the fans should feel negative about his leaving korea and hurting this desire of fans. 4. People want to see foreigners succeed vs koreans and win GSLs(not me but many people). So, why are you being his spokesman instead of voicing your own desires? because i don't think a fans desire should be to make the player miserable? Sorry that I view Stephano as an individual. I don't think any of his fans should be upset that he isn't staying in Korea when they know he isn't happy there. You aren't really a fan of his if you feel that way. Well I am not a fan of his, but I still feel very confused about peoples defense of his actions. Stephano pay check hunting and not playing in the most prestigious league is not the defense, its the thing that should be judged. Is this good or bad for a person to do in your view? I know personally I will root for people who work hard, want to play the best, and care about entertaining the fans over a pay check. Why would you be a fan of someone who doesn't want to work as hard as his competitors or make sacrifices? his fans want to see him win. He wins outside of Korea. Its quite simple really. I have no problem with a player trying to make as much money as possible. Honestly, its stupid not to. Stephano is just more open about it than other players. I just always thought people care about dedication(he is very much not dedicated), hard work(probably puts in a reasonable number of hours but no where near as much as the koreans and some other foreigners), a desire to earn their way(scarlett or jinro turning down a seed to go through qualifiers), willing to make sacrifices(Major or 99% of koreans grinding it out to be the best), heart(pushing through adversity, like MVP winning a championship with his wrist problems), desire to be the best(Flash, MVP, etc), desire to entertain the fans(im sure he has some desire, but people DEFINITELY wanted to see him try to win code S), and the desire for greatness over personal profit(Achilles, Albert Einstein, and other remember-able people vs corporate CEO trying to maximize profit even if it means harming the environment or giving themselves bonuses at the expensive of employees. Are these not the traits people look for to root for individuals? Support whatever you want but I certainly do not understand it. players have fans for numerous different reasons. trying to limit it to X amount is dumb. honestly trying to understand fans is dumb because its all personal preference. People could like him because of his hair. It really doesn't matter. One of the biggest reasons people like Stephano is because he wins. Just like why the Yankees are the most popular team in baseball and why the Miami Heat have a ton of fans right now. They win and they win a lot. Stephano is no different. If you can't understand that part, then I don't know what to tell you.
I like your hair.
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On March 28 2013 09:18 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 08:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:48 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:41 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:39 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself? 1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one. 2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work. 3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy. 4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S. 1. Yeah but the aim to make money as the only goal is exactly what corporations do. 2. Come on, you're doing it again. Looking at it from HIS perspective. The viewer perspective is to see the best matches. in MMA we want to see Anderson Silva vs another champion because it is a great fight. In starcraft the viewer wants to see stephano vs whoever the hell it happens to be you and others want to see him against. 3. He isn't forced to. Hell he could quit and become a pop star if he wants, the point is not what he wants, it is what the fans want. Do the fans want to see him become a pop star? No, they want to see him make foreigners matter in the scene and the fans should feel negative about his leaving korea and hurting this desire of fans. 4. People want to see foreigners succeed vs koreans and win GSLs(not me but many people). So, why are you being his spokesman instead of voicing your own desires? because i don't think a fans desire should be to make the player miserable? Sorry that I view Stephano as an individual. I don't think any of his fans should be upset that he isn't staying in Korea when they know he isn't happy there. You aren't really a fan of his if you feel that way. Well I am not a fan of his, but I still feel very confused about peoples defense of his actions. Stephano pay check hunting and not playing in the most prestigious league is not the defense, its the thing that should be judged. Is this good or bad for a person to do in your view? I know personally I will root for people who work hard, want to play the best, and care about entertaining the fans over a pay check. Why would you be a fan of someone who doesn't want to work as hard as his competitors or make sacrifices? his fans want to see him win. He wins outside of Korea. Its quite simple really. I have no problem with a player trying to make as much money as possible. Honestly, its stupid not to. Stephano is just more open about it than other players. If his fans want to see him win that much, I guess somebody should make him new account so that he can pawn bronze and make his fans happy.
oh come on.
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On March 28 2013 07:37 Hrrrrm wrote:
The only way to be surprised by this is if he had won a GSL title easily and decided to pull out. Stephano is only interested in SC2 until he stops getting money consistently from it. He's been pretty up front about it and that's a reason why I respect him. He's actually treating it like a job, because it is. Once this job starts sucking ass for him there really is no reason for him to stay when he has schooling lined up for something that he wants to do. Also getting out of Korea means more streaming at NA/EU friendly times and more money in his pocket. He was never cut out for Korea but, at least he decided to try it out.
It will be interesting to see how his results are in the future.
I don't quite see it the same way. Okay, so he wants instant gratification. Fair and so did other guys like Greg. There is no standard when it comes to gaming. You don't like the situation so you go home. To think someone could get away with such things in let's say rowing, coastal guards, army, etc. is a little troublesome. It's not just sports. There are certain requirements & expectations you have to meet to not just be one of them, but to remain competitive as well (or in other words, keeping your job). It's rigorous; it's vicious. There is no way for making up for lost time. There is no such thing as downtime. We know their expectations and there's a code. The Western code in gaming is what holds many players back. In fact, they have no code other than player etiquette when it comes to tournaments. This is why I don't really like the idea of inviting players who don't adapt or put the proper time in to show good games because they cannot re-adjust and listen to experienced coaches. I think the guys who do the time and get the results deserve to be there more. Welcome to the occupational hazard of being a professional gamer.
On March 28 2013 07:09 qqK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 06:58 StarStruck wrote:On March 28 2013 05:44 TheSayo182 wrote:On March 28 2013 05:29 Enders116 wrote:
In the words of IdrA, sc2 players in Korean training houses have very little freedom to do what they want to do when they want to do it. So, in other words, if a player wants to go fishing on this day or that day, it just doesn't happen. 14 hours a day are dedicated to starcraft 2, possibly an hour here or there becomes free time (breakfast, lunch and dinner) and so on. He even said in a separate interview that sometimes it is too much and players start making mistakes just because they are playing far too much.
Coupling the above paragraph with the idea that Code S is very "cut throat" and the odds are stacked against anyone who gets in to it, I don't blame stephano for doing what he's doing. He has much better odds with EU and NA tournaments than he does with the GSL. finally someone with a brain here, being jailed in an korean(or any country where your language is not spoken) apartment is not what you need to be happy and good at your work PS. i have been many time in that situation, at a certain point the only thing you think is: when i can go home? It's called a job. You guys view it as prison. They're being paid to play; other guys are being professional about it. They understand the requirements. It's rare that you see Star players complain about their teams and it only happens in certain situations and if the player doesn't bring it. Guess what happens? They get benched. It's a shitty job. A job should be 35-45 hours per week, not 10-12 a day. Not liking korean practice regimes is perfectly understandable.
Welcome to real Korean professional gaming. You want to play with the big boys. You have to train like them to keep up. As for the job thing. I think I should have taken it one step further. It's a lifestyle choice. Goes back to what I said when it comes to downtime in certain occupations and sports because there really is none.
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i knew he couldnt cut it in korea; it was obvious even before he went that he had the talent but lacked the discipline and dedication. this is what seperates the great players from the best players. in korea's practice environment it was inevitable that he'd fall behind.
onto easier pastures, i suppose. but no one can claim him to be the best foreigner in the world soon. winning a million mlg/dh means nothing when you couldnt hack it in the gsl or proleague.
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On March 28 2013 09:22 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 09:18 canikizu wrote:On March 28 2013 08:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:48 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:41 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:39 Maghetti wrote:On March 28 2013 08:31 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself? 1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one. 2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work. 3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy. 4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S. 1. Yeah but the aim to make money as the only goal is exactly what corporations do. 2. Come on, you're doing it again. Looking at it from HIS perspective. The viewer perspective is to see the best matches. in MMA we want to see Anderson Silva vs another champion because it is a great fight. In starcraft the viewer wants to see stephano vs whoever the hell it happens to be you and others want to see him against. 3. He isn't forced to. Hell he could quit and become a pop star if he wants, the point is not what he wants, it is what the fans want. Do the fans want to see him become a pop star? No, they want to see him make foreigners matter in the scene and the fans should feel negative about his leaving korea and hurting this desire of fans. 4. People want to see foreigners succeed vs koreans and win GSLs(not me but many people). So, why are you being his spokesman instead of voicing your own desires? because i don't think a fans desire should be to make the player miserable? Sorry that I view Stephano as an individual. I don't think any of his fans should be upset that he isn't staying in Korea when they know he isn't happy there. You aren't really a fan of his if you feel that way. Well I am not a fan of his, but I still feel very confused about peoples defense of his actions. Stephano pay check hunting and not playing in the most prestigious league is not the defense, its the thing that should be judged. Is this good or bad for a person to do in your view? I know personally I will root for people who work hard, want to play the best, and care about entertaining the fans over a pay check. Why would you be a fan of someone who doesn't want to work as hard as his competitors or make sacrifices? his fans want to see him win. He wins outside of Korea. Its quite simple really. I have no problem with a player trying to make as much money as possible. Honestly, its stupid not to. Stephano is just more open about it than other players. If his fans want to see him win that much, I guess somebody should make him new account so that he can pawn bronze and make his fans happy. oh come on.
Make it silver then, because I also like to live dangerously.
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I don't know why people only focus on his dedication. Korea is a totally different country which people have a hard time adapting in. You can see this when you look at his relationship with the coach (which is a major problem) and the lack of communication with other people.
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On March 28 2013 00:30 mki wrote:
The main issue is foreigners never really had to work for their seeds so they don't appreciate it. How many foreigners have actually made it to GSL the traditional method? Sure you can argue they deserve it because they win up/down matches - but they never had to struggle through traditional GSL qualifiers.
There will never be a true top foreign contender until someone who is willing to do so and work hard for it shows up. Going to Korea just to "practice" isn't enough. It's about understanding the rigorous training schedule all these Koreans are FORCED to take up because it's so hard to qualify for GSL through qualifiers.
Living in a country where most people don't speak any of the languages you speak is damn hard. You've got no good means of communication (short of learning Korean, but I don't think they've got time for evening classes) and you are thousands of miles away from your closest friends. It takes an insane amount of determination to actually keep going under such circumstances.
Besides, SC2 is a lot more popular in EU/US than it is in SK, so that may be a reason to go back to France as well.
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On March 28 2013 09:40 synaptik wrote:
i knew he couldnt cut it in korea; it was obvious even before he went that he had the talent but lacked the discipline and dedication. this is what seperates the great players from the best players. in korea's practice environment it was inevitable that he'd fall behind.
onto easier pastures, i suppose. but no one can claim him to be the best foreigner in the world soon. winning a million mlg/dh means nothing when you couldnt hack it in the gsl or proleague.
Why in the world do people say things like this? His play has been fine in Korea. He doesn't like living there. It's not fucking rocket science.
To indulge in the same amount of mindless psychobabble most others are, I wonder if the problem isn't you. You'd kill to be that good and to have that opportunity, and, since you aren't and don't, you're taking it personally that someone else doesn't see it for the world's-shinest-diamond that it so clearly is. Basically, you're jelly.
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He wants to go back to being the big fish in the small bowl. It seems like Naniwa really is the only foreigner with a high competitive spirit against daunting odds. Stephano allegedly tried to drop out of the up and downs, looked quite bad in a terrible group, and then later drops out anyway even after advancing. kk. And the rumor that Scarlett turned down a seed isn't too surprising. But incredibly disappointing. But why make no money getting blown out of the water and living overseas? :/
Seriously, this is the best the foreign scene has to offer? This will all become like the chasm in Brood War all over again. It's just worse this time because not only can no foreigner hack it, but the "best" of the them don't even want to try anymore in Korea.
But when Koreans enter foreign tourneys, they still get all the major dough, maybe that one really horrible thread about a "no Korean" league and tourneys is much closer on the horizon than anticipated.
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I can smell he is losing interest in SC2....i dont know, just my opinion
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On March 28 2013 08:14 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 08:08 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On March 28 2013 08:01 TeslasPigeon wrote:On March 28 2013 07:55 Jacmert wrote:
@TeslasPigeon: If Stephano were able to produce some good results in GSL/Korea, that would be MORE than enough positive exposure to make up for him missing some European tournaments. For fans of Proleague and GSL like me, just seeing him compete is already good positive exposure for EG. Now that he's pulling out, it actually works as negative exposure to the brand, imo.
I'm still pulling for EG-TL, though. #gogo foreigners! I'm sorry but the amount of people that watch DH and MLG dwarf PL and GSL. You have western tournaments that pull in over a million uniques per events for sc2. The hardcore fans of starcraft are a small amount, not to mention that this segment will still continue to be fans regardless of Stephano's decision. It is a much wiser from a marketing standpoint to increase your viewer and fan base, you aren't going to accomplish this in Korea. Especially for a game where the numbers aren't exactly there compared to western events and spectators. A lot of people watch GSL. There's a reason they're the only SC2 related esport company that actually make a profit. MLG is making money and I'm pretty sure DH isn't hurting either.
MLG isn't making money it runs on venture capital.
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On March 28 2013 09:58 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
He wants to go back to being the big fish in the small bowl.
You have no way of knowing that.
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On March 28 2013 10:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 08:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:08 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On March 28 2013 08:01 TeslasPigeon wrote:On March 28 2013 07:55 Jacmert wrote:
@TeslasPigeon: If Stephano were able to produce some good results in GSL/Korea, that would be MORE than enough positive exposure to make up for him missing some European tournaments. For fans of Proleague and GSL like me, just seeing him compete is already good positive exposure for EG. Now that he's pulling out, it actually works as negative exposure to the brand, imo.
I'm still pulling for EG-TL, though. #gogo foreigners! I'm sorry but the amount of people that watch DH and MLG dwarf PL and GSL. You have western tournaments that pull in over a million uniques per events for sc2. The hardcore fans of starcraft are a small amount, not to mention that this segment will still continue to be fans regardless of Stephano's decision. It is a much wiser from a marketing standpoint to increase your viewer and fan base, you aren't going to accomplish this in Korea. Especially for a game where the numbers aren't exactly there compared to western events and spectators. A lot of people watch GSL. There's a reason they're the only SC2 related esport company that actually make a profit. MLG is making money and I'm pretty sure DH isn't hurting either. MLG isn't making money it runs on venture capital.
not anymore. Sundance said MLG is making money now.
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On March 28 2013 10:32 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 10:02 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On March 28 2013 08:14 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 08:08 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On March 28 2013 08:01 TeslasPigeon wrote:On March 28 2013 07:55 Jacmert wrote:
@TeslasPigeon: If Stephano were able to produce some good results in GSL/Korea, that would be MORE than enough positive exposure to make up for him missing some European tournaments. For fans of Proleague and GSL like me, just seeing him compete is already good positive exposure for EG. Now that he's pulling out, it actually works as negative exposure to the brand, imo.
I'm still pulling for EG-TL, though. #gogo foreigners! I'm sorry but the amount of people that watch DH and MLG dwarf PL and GSL. You have western tournaments that pull in over a million uniques per events for sc2. The hardcore fans of starcraft are a small amount, not to mention that this segment will still continue to be fans regardless of Stephano's decision. It is a much wiser from a marketing standpoint to increase your viewer and fan base, you aren't going to accomplish this in Korea. Especially for a game where the numbers aren't exactly there compared to western events and spectators. A lot of people watch GSL. There's a reason they're the only SC2 related esport company that actually make a profit. MLG is making money and I'm pretty sure DH isn't hurting either. MLG isn't making money it runs on venture capital. not anymore. Sundance said MLG is making money now.
MLG and GSL make money. I really doubt that DH makes any money.
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