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Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
March 27 2013 22:36 GMT
#281
I agree

Korea is no place for someone who can't compete at the highest level like that (no insult at all), you are much much better off just attending foreign tournaments where you are much better known and you do not need to invest so much of your life into your career. It's a thousand times easier for koreans to play in korea, no need to give up everything just to get better at a video game.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 27 2013 22:37 GMT
#282
On March 28 2013 07:22 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 06:37 Plansix wrote:
On March 28 2013 06:26 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On March 28 2013 06:23 Plansix wrote:
On March 28 2013 06:21 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:48 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:43 Irre wrote:
I wonder if EG will renew his contract. You might say, " ARE YOU CRAZY HES THE BEST FOREIGNER!" and while this is true, I am not sure he is making EG very happy right now. Hes not much of a promoter the way the rest of the teams foreign players are. He is not cooperating with the top priorities of EGs A Team- wont play in GSL and Proleague. He has personality and skill, but without playing in those leagues, is he really offering EG enough to warrant the 100k a year investment? I would say no, and given the past behavioral issues and the efforts made to accomodate him without the return of practice, participation or promotion, I would actually be surprised if his contract is renewed next time around.


There's also the bad publicity and sponsor drama they got from the 15 year old girl situation.


He's the king of controversial issues (even back when he was on Mill.), but he's also winning tournaments and playing really well overall, which is another thing that helps advertise EG and its sponsors. I'm sure they've taken that into consideration as well, and so I don't see him leaving EG anytime soon.


He's winning tournaments? When?


Liquipidia? They list all his wins in great detail.


You mean 1 win in a Premier LAN with Koreans in the last 18 months?



Oh I see what you did there, you took out all the tournments without Koreans in them and then said he won once in 18 months. I get it. So events without Koreans don't count and placing high in events also doesn't count. Well I am sure that sponsors are using that metric you created there.


Events without Koreans don't count.


Your witty, thought out, one line responses are adding a lot to the discussion. You should keep those up, because they are really bring up some issues worth talking about.
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Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
March 27 2013 22:37 GMT
#283
The only way to be surprised by this is if he had won a GSL title easily and decided to pull out. Stephano is only interested in SC2 until he stops getting money consistently from it. He's been pretty up front about it and that's a reason why I respect him. He's actually treating it like a job, because it is. Once this job starts sucking ass for him there really is no reason for him to stay when he has schooling lined up for something that he wants to do. Also getting out of Korea means more streaming at NA/EU friendly times and more money in his pocket. He was never cut out for Korea but, at least he decided to try it out.

It will be interesting to see how his results are in the future.
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a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
March 27 2013 22:42 GMT
#284
On March 28 2013 07:37 Hrrrrm wrote:
The only way to be surprised by this is if he had won a GSL title easily and decided to pull out. Stephano is only interested in SC2 until he stops getting money consistently from it. He's been pretty up front about it and that's a reason why I respect him. He's actually treating it like a job, because it is. Once this job starts sucking ass for him there really is no reason for him to stay when he has schooling lined up for something that he wants to do. Also getting out of Korea means more streaming at NA/EU friendly times and more money in his pocket. He was never cut out for Korea but, at least he decided to try it out.

It will be interesting to see how his results are in the future.


I agree.

Well EG decided more than he decided to try it out.
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
March 27 2013 22:44 GMT
#285
Not entirely surprising, the situation at the EG-TL house wasn't very good and was being improved upon but still wasn't ideal. Nobody speaks your language hardly at all making doing anything out of playing difficult, and he seemed very re missed about that fact.

Overall it's probably better for EG to have a happy stephano crushing in foreign tournaments then an unhappy stephano struggling in korea.
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Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
March 27 2013 22:51 GMT
#286
Nooooo! Who will fight for the foreigners now?

As Obi Wan Kenobi put it: "That boy is our last hope..."

Master Yoda: "No... there is another."

Cue: Naniwa, Huk, Scarlett (am I forgetting anyone in KR?)
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TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
March 27 2013 22:52 GMT
#287
I always thought it was odd that EG would want their star player to stay in Korea competing in Korean events when their market is the western world. Stephano would yield a much higher ROI being sent to MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, and other conventions than being stuck in Korean miserable.

Perhaps if Stephano were to take an interest in Korean culture and try to learn the language maybe cross promotion between EG's Korean players might be more attractive but that is too much to ask of someone who dedicates a large portion of their time playing and trying to win at what is his job.

I wonder what this will mean for EGTL, I hope they plan to pick up some players to make up for the shallow roster. Players like Coca, Alive, and Oz are too good to pass up. Seeing how most ESF teams don't even provide salaries it shouldn't take much to entice free agents.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
March 27 2013 22:55 GMT
#288
@TeslasPigeon: If Stephano were able to produce some good results in GSL/Korea, that would be MORE than enough positive exposure to make up for him missing some European tournaments. For fans of Proleague and GSL like me, just seeing him compete is already good positive exposure for EG. Now that he's pulling out, it actually works as negative exposure to the brand, imo.

I'm still pulling for EG-TL, though. #gogo foreigners!
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coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
March 27 2013 23:01 GMT
#289
Do you think he found out who was in his GSL ro32 group before he dropped out?
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
March 27 2013 23:01 GMT
#290
On March 28 2013 07:55 Jacmert wrote:
@TeslasPigeon: If Stephano were able to produce some good results in GSL/Korea, that would be MORE than enough positive exposure to make up for him missing some European tournaments. For fans of Proleague and GSL like me, just seeing him compete is already good positive exposure for EG. Now that he's pulling out, it actually works as negative exposure to the brand, imo.

I'm still pulling for EG-TL, though. #gogo foreigners!


I'm sorry but the amount of people that watch DH and MLG dwarf PL and GSL. You have western tournaments that pull in over a million uniques per events for sc2.

The hardcore fans of starcraft are a small amount, not to mention that this segment will still continue to be fans regardless of Stephano's decision. It is a much wiser from a marketing standpoint to increase your viewer and fan base, you aren't going to accomplish this in Korea. Especially for a game where the numbers aren't exactly there compared to western events and spectators.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
March 27 2013 23:08 GMT
#291
On March 28 2013 08:01 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 07:55 Jacmert wrote:
@TeslasPigeon: If Stephano were able to produce some good results in GSL/Korea, that would be MORE than enough positive exposure to make up for him missing some European tournaments. For fans of Proleague and GSL like me, just seeing him compete is already good positive exposure for EG. Now that he's pulling out, it actually works as negative exposure to the brand, imo.

I'm still pulling for EG-TL, though. #gogo foreigners!


I'm sorry but the amount of people that watch DH and MLG dwarf PL and GSL. You have western tournaments that pull in over a million uniques per events for sc2.

The hardcore fans of starcraft are a small amount, not to mention that this segment will still continue to be fans regardless of Stephano's decision. It is a much wiser from a marketing standpoint to increase your viewer and fan base, you aren't going to accomplish this in Korea. Especially for a game where the numbers aren't exactly there compared to western events and spectators.


A lot of people watch GSL. There's a reason they're the only SC2 related esport company that actually make a profit.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 27 2013 23:14 GMT
#292
On March 28 2013 08:08 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 08:01 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On March 28 2013 07:55 Jacmert wrote:
@TeslasPigeon: If Stephano were able to produce some good results in GSL/Korea, that would be MORE than enough positive exposure to make up for him missing some European tournaments. For fans of Proleague and GSL like me, just seeing him compete is already good positive exposure for EG. Now that he's pulling out, it actually works as negative exposure to the brand, imo.

I'm still pulling for EG-TL, though. #gogo foreigners!


I'm sorry but the amount of people that watch DH and MLG dwarf PL and GSL. You have western tournaments that pull in over a million uniques per events for sc2.

The hardcore fans of starcraft are a small amount, not to mention that this segment will still continue to be fans regardless of Stephano's decision. It is a much wiser from a marketing standpoint to increase your viewer and fan base, you aren't going to accomplish this in Korea. Especially for a game where the numbers aren't exactly there compared to western events and spectators.


A lot of people watch GSL. There's a reason they're the only SC2 related esport company that actually make a profit.

MLG is making money and I'm pretty sure DH isn't hurting either.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
March 27 2013 23:16 GMT
#293
Woo I'm happy because this opens up a spot for MVP to get a seed. ^_^
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Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
March 27 2013 23:25 GMT
#294
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself?
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 27 2013 23:31 GMT
#295
On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself?

1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one.
2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work.
3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy.
4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
March 27 2013 23:39 GMT
#296
On March 28 2013 08:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself?

1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one.
2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work.
3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy.
4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S.

1. Yeah but the aim to make money as the only goal is exactly what corporations do.
2. Come on, you're doing it again. Looking at it from HIS perspective. The viewer perspective is to see the best matches. in MMA we want to see Anderson Silva vs another champion because it is a great fight. In starcraft the viewer wants to see stephano vs whoever the hell it happens to be you and others want to see him against.
3. He isn't forced to. Hell he could quit and become a pop star if he wants, the point is not what he wants, it is what the fans want. Do the fans want to see him become a pop star? No, they want to see him make foreigners matter in the scene and the fans should feel negative about his leaving korea and hurting this desire of fans.
4. People want to see foreigners succeed vs koreans and win GSLs(not me but many people).

So, why are you being his spokesman instead of voicing your own desires?
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 27 2013 23:41 GMT
#297
On March 28 2013 08:39 Maghetti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 08:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself?

1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one.
2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work.
3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy.
4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S.

1. Yeah but the aim to make money as the only goal is exactly what corporations do.
2. Come on, you're doing it again. Looking at it from HIS perspective. The viewer perspective is to see the best matches. in MMA we want to see Anderson Silva vs another champion because it is a great fight. In starcraft the viewer wants to see stephano vs whoever the hell it happens to be you and others want to see him against.
3. He isn't forced to. Hell he could quit and become a pop star if he wants, the point is not what he wants, it is what the fans want. Do the fans want to see him become a pop star? No, they want to see him make foreigners matter in the scene and the fans should feel negative about his leaving korea and hurting this desire of fans.
4. People want to see foreigners succeed vs koreans and win GSLs(not me but many people).

So, why are you being his spokesman instead of voicing your own desires?

because i don't think a fans desire should be to make the player miserable? Sorry that I view Stephano as an individual. I don't think any of his fans should be upset that he isn't staying in Korea when they know he isn't happy there. You aren't really a fan of his if you feel that way.
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Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
March 27 2013 23:48 GMT
#298
On March 28 2013 08:41 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 08:39 Maghetti wrote:
On March 28 2013 08:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself?

1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one.
2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work.
3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy.
4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S.

1. Yeah but the aim to make money as the only goal is exactly what corporations do.
2. Come on, you're doing it again. Looking at it from HIS perspective. The viewer perspective is to see the best matches. in MMA we want to see Anderson Silva vs another champion because it is a great fight. In starcraft the viewer wants to see stephano vs whoever the hell it happens to be you and others want to see him against.
3. He isn't forced to. Hell he could quit and become a pop star if he wants, the point is not what he wants, it is what the fans want. Do the fans want to see him become a pop star? No, they want to see him make foreigners matter in the scene and the fans should feel negative about his leaving korea and hurting this desire of fans.
4. People want to see foreigners succeed vs koreans and win GSLs(not me but many people).

So, why are you being his spokesman instead of voicing your own desires?

because i don't think a fans desire should be to make the player miserable? Sorry that I view Stephano as an individual. I don't think any of his fans should be upset that he isn't staying in Korea when they know he isn't happy there. You aren't really a fan of his if you feel that way.

Well I am not a fan of his, but I still feel very confused about peoples defense of his actions. Stephano pay check hunting and not playing in the most prestigious league is not the defense, its the thing that should be judged. Is this good or bad for a person to do in your view? I know personally I will root for people who work hard, want to play the best, and care about entertaining the fans over a pay check. Why would you be a fan of someone who doesn't want to work as hard as his competitors or make sacrifices?
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 27 2013 23:52 GMT
#299
On March 28 2013 08:48 Maghetti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 08:41 jmbthirteen wrote:
On March 28 2013 08:39 Maghetti wrote:
On March 28 2013 08:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
On March 28 2013 08:25 Maghetti wrote:
What I don't get from reading threads defending stephano that say "he is in it for the money, good choice" etc etc is why people actually support him? Think of it like an amoral corporation doing some action, any action, purely for their own profit. If that action helps a person, you would support it(but the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid) or they do something you dont like(and the corp doesnt care as long as they are paid), why would you give a shit about the corporations goals? In a free market the amoral corporation does stuff, and if its bad, they get punished by the consumer. Similarly, if you're fan of seeing foreigners in korea or generally playing the best players and trying to be the best, would you not support that person regardless of what they think? And if Stephano is in it only for the money and has no interest in being the best, playing the best, or playing in the hardest league should you not think thats a shitty ass thing regardless of what he himself thinks? Why the hell are you supporting him if his actions are bad for the viewers, including yourself?

1. Stephano isn't a corporation and shouldn't be thought of as one.
2. A sc2 player only has a short amount of years to compete at the highest level. They should be making as much money as possible in that time frame, especially since they are putting of school/work.
3. If Stephano isn't happy in Korea, why should he be forced to stay there? It will do him no good to stay in an environment he doesn't like. It won't make him a better player. He will just be unhappy.
4. His actions aren't bad for the viewers at all. If anything its better. His fanbase isn't in korea. This way we get to see him play in more foreign tournaments and stream in much more friendly hours, rather than at 4am for Code S.

1. Yeah but the aim to make money as the only goal is exactly what corporations do.
2. Come on, you're doing it again. Looking at it from HIS perspective. The viewer perspective is to see the best matches. in MMA we want to see Anderson Silva vs another champion because it is a great fight. In starcraft the viewer wants to see stephano vs whoever the hell it happens to be you and others want to see him against.
3. He isn't forced to. Hell he could quit and become a pop star if he wants, the point is not what he wants, it is what the fans want. Do the fans want to see him become a pop star? No, they want to see him make foreigners matter in the scene and the fans should feel negative about his leaving korea and hurting this desire of fans.
4. People want to see foreigners succeed vs koreans and win GSLs(not me but many people).

So, why are you being his spokesman instead of voicing your own desires?

because i don't think a fans desire should be to make the player miserable? Sorry that I view Stephano as an individual. I don't think any of his fans should be upset that he isn't staying in Korea when they know he isn't happy there. You aren't really a fan of his if you feel that way.

Well I am not a fan of his, but I still feel very confused about peoples defense of his actions. Stephano pay check hunting and not playing in the most prestigious league is not the defense, its the thing that should be judged. Is this good or bad for a person to do in your view? I know personally I will root for people who work hard, want to play the best, and care about entertaining the fans over a pay check. Why would you be a fan of someone who doesn't want to work as hard as his competitors or make sacrifices?

his fans want to see him win. He wins outside of Korea. Its quite simple really. I have no problem with a player trying to make as much money as possible. Honestly, its stupid not to. Stephano is just more open about it than other players.
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March 27 2013 23:53 GMT
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man this stuff ALL the time, why dont teams just pay for the players to take a few korean courses first before going to korea?
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