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Empedocles
Profile Joined April 2013
United States47 Posts
April 26 2013 19:37 GMT
#281
i think its mindblowing that you got to masters using a gamepad. Its not that i dont think that you couldnt get to GM using a gamepad, its just that you have to understand getting to GM using ANYTHING is unbelievably hard and many many many ppl just can never get there no matter what they do or how much they practice. You have to remember that mulitudes of hundreds of thousdans of people play this game and GM is reserved for the top moving average MMR of just 200 people... But anyways I think getting into masters with a gamepad is super epic in itself and congrats!

You know how they have videos showing pro gamers hands to illistrate APM, i would love to see a video of just your hands in a game to see what it looks like, that would be very interesting. Also, what does the game score you for APM in your games?
"The tide hastens for no man."
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
April 27 2013 02:14 GMT
#282
On April 26 2013 08:23 marttorn wrote:
please dont give blizzard any ideas


Actually Blizzard already talk to me about the game pad.

When they announced at Sony they wanted to break into the console market. I thought they might announce Star craft 2 XD. Since it lined up with the same week blizzard was sending me emails.

They ended up announcing Diablo 3 though.

Still was a pretty cool experience that "I thought" I might have started something XD
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
April 27 2013 08:09 GMT
#283
On April 26 2013 02:18 DonkeyShot wrote:
This is great. Do you have an XPadder config file that you can share?


I'm not too familiar with file sharing sites. Don't want people to think they are downloading a virus or something XD.

If someone would like upload it to a trusted source lemme know.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
April 27 2013 08:48 GMT
#284
Well I got to Midmaster as Terran without having any control groups for my military and only using the "select all army" button for managing my troops, so it could very well be possible to get to GM with an x-box controller. Macro and decision making decides games, only pro players need much micro.
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
April 27 2013 21:07 GMT
#285
On April 17 2013 09:02 PuppyPrime wrote:
Protoss... aka the A-Move Race. Not surprising you can play this race with a Gamepad.

User was banned for this post.


I can play Zerg at a masters level Might actually race switch if I knew how to play the race properly and was not awful XD. Each race has its own difficulty and ways of handling its units
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
April 28 2013 07:38 GMT
#286
On April 27 2013 04:37 Empedocles wrote:
i think its mindblowing that you got to masters using a gamepad. Its not that i dont think that you couldnt get to GM using a gamepad, its just that you have to understand getting to GM using ANYTHING is unbelievably hard and many many many ppl just can never get there no matter what they do or how much they practice. You have to remember that mulitudes of hundreds of thousdans of people play this game and GM is reserved for the top moving average MMR of just 200 people... But anyways I think getting into masters with a gamepad is super epic in itself and congrats!

You know how they have videos showing pro gamers hands to illistrate APM, i would love to see a video of just your hands in a game to see what it looks like, that would be very interesting. Also, what does the game score you for APM in your games?


Yeah I gotta buy some more web cams and position them on the walls or something to see me sitting there chilling XD. I'm a bit poor at the moment. I know this would increase the enjoyability of my stream.

My APM

Protoss 190-220

Zerg 270-300

This brings me to another point, Why is zerg apm so much higher? XD. I have not played terran for 100's of games to really say what my average apm is with it XD

Your right it is difficult to be a GM player. That's more or less not really the point of the thread though. Its more stating my commitment to improvement. Even if I reached GM people will always set higher more impossible goals.

P.S (I should get GM in wings and post screen shot ~.^ Ez)


Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
April 30 2013 03:51 GMT
#287
On April 28 2013 16:38 Cress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 04:37 Empedocles wrote:
i think its mindblowing that you got to masters using a gamepad. Its not that i dont think that you couldnt get to GM using a gamepad, its just that you have to understand getting to GM using ANYTHING is unbelievably hard and many many many ppl just can never get there no matter what they do or how much they practice. You have to remember that mulitudes of hundreds of thousdans of people play this game and GM is reserved for the top moving average MMR of just 200 people... But anyways I think getting into masters with a gamepad is super epic in itself and congrats!

You know how they have videos showing pro gamers hands to illistrate APM, i would love to see a video of just your hands in a game to see what it looks like, that would be very interesting. Also, what does the game score you for APM in your games?


Yeah I gotta buy some more web cams and position them on the walls or something to see me sitting there chilling XD. I'm a bit poor at the moment. I know this would increase the enjoyability of my stream.

My APM

Protoss 190-220

Zerg 270-300

This brings me to another point, Why is zerg apm so much higher? XD. I have not played terran for 100's of games to really say what my average apm is with it XD

Your right it is difficult to be a GM player. That's more or less not really the point of the thread though. Its more stating my commitment to improvement. Even if I reached GM people will always set higher more impossible goals.

P.S (I should get GM in wings and post screen shot ~.^ Ez)





I dragged My computer over to my bed and tried to position the webcame accordingly XD bought a 720p webcam too. I hope this is more enjoyable to watch <3
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
April 30 2013 03:54 GMT
#288
This, you, and everything about it, is awesome. Good job man, it's very impressive.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
April 30 2013 04:04 GMT
#289
On April 28 2013 16:38 Cress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 04:37 Empedocles wrote:
i think its mindblowing that you got to masters using a gamepad. Its not that i dont think that you couldnt get to GM using a gamepad, its just that you have to understand getting to GM using ANYTHING is unbelievably hard and many many many ppl just can never get there no matter what they do or how much they practice. You have to remember that mulitudes of hundreds of thousdans of people play this game and GM is reserved for the top moving average MMR of just 200 people... But anyways I think getting into masters with a gamepad is super epic in itself and congrats!

You know how they have videos showing pro gamers hands to illistrate APM, i would love to see a video of just your hands in a game to see what it looks like, that would be very interesting. Also, what does the game score you for APM in your games?


Yeah I gotta buy some more web cams and position them on the walls or something to see me sitting there chilling XD. I'm a bit poor at the moment. I know this would increase the enjoyability of my stream.

My APM

Protoss 190-220

Zerg 270-300

This brings me to another point, Why is zerg apm so much higher? XD. I have not played terran for 100's of games to really say what my average apm is with it XD

Your right it is difficult to be a GM player. That's more or less not really the point of the thread though. Its more stating my commitment to improvement. Even if I reached GM people will always set higher more impossible goals.

P.S (I should get GM in wings and post screen shot ~.^ Ez)



because when you click in the same spot multiple times or spam the same key (aka make drones), you tend to have higher apm with z. Its the same reason why P players usually have low apm and terran players are usually near the mid to higher end (but still lower than z). APM doesn't really matter much, its all about how you use it.
ok
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 15:08:56
April 30 2013 13:26 GMT
#290
I tried doing this with the same setup you have, the best I could do was Easy AI.
(psst, now I know the real meaning of GSL, it's Gamepad Starcraft 2 League O: )
When cats speak, mice listen.
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
May 01 2013 04:46 GMT
#291
On April 30 2013 22:26 DinosaurPoop wrote:
I tried doing this with the same setup you have, the best I could do was Easy AI.
(psst, now I know the real meaning of GSL, it's Gamepad Starcraft 2 League O: )


Its all about the pratice and time you put into it <3
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 06:32:57
May 01 2013 06:32 GMT
#292
On April 28 2013 16:38 Cress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 04:37 Empedocles wrote:
i think its mindblowing that you got to masters using a gamepad. Its not that i dont think that you couldnt get to GM using a gamepad, its just that you have to understand getting to GM using ANYTHING is unbelievably hard and many many many ppl just can never get there no matter what they do or how much they practice. You have to remember that mulitudes of hundreds of thousdans of people play this game and GM is reserved for the top moving average MMR of just 200 people... But anyways I think getting into masters with a gamepad is super epic in itself and congrats!

You know how they have videos showing pro gamers hands to illistrate APM, i would love to see a video of just your hands in a game to see what it looks like, that would be very interesting. Also, what does the game score you for APM in your games?


Yeah I gotta buy some more web cams and position them on the walls or something to see me sitting there chilling XD. I'm a bit poor at the moment. I know this would increase the enjoyability of my stream.

My APM

Protoss 190-220

Zerg 270-300

This brings me to another point, Why is zerg apm so much higher? XD. I have not played terran for 100's of games to really say what my average apm is with it XD

Your right it is difficult to be a GM player. That's more or less not really the point of the thread though. Its more stating my commitment to improvement. Even if I reached GM people will always set higher more impossible goals.

P.S (I should get GM in wings and post screen shot ~.^ Ez)




The way that zerg macro works tends to cause zerg APM to spike... I'm high masters protoss, and low masters (maybe, might be diamond now haha, I don't know builds anymore) as zerg, but my zerg APM tends to be a little bit higher.
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
May 01 2013 06:37 GMT
#293
im a gm hots toss with 330 toss apm and when i offrace on my mid masters account with zerg i tend to spike up to 470 apm.dunno why is that.blizzard should fix this.

also : i think what this guy has done so far with an xbox controller to be mindblowing. i saw his play and i think it is very impressive but imho reaching gm would be near to impossible.Still wish you the best of luck and continue to be as cool as you are!
Top50 GM EU Protoss from Bulgaria. Streaming with commentary : www.twitch.tv/hwbgmethix
megapants
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1314 Posts
May 01 2013 07:24 GMT
#294
On May 01 2013 15:32 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 16:38 Cress wrote:
On April 27 2013 04:37 Empedocles wrote:
i think its mindblowing that you got to masters using a gamepad. Its not that i dont think that you couldnt get to GM using a gamepad, its just that you have to understand getting to GM using ANYTHING is unbelievably hard and many many many ppl just can never get there no matter what they do or how much they practice. You have to remember that mulitudes of hundreds of thousdans of people play this game and GM is reserved for the top moving average MMR of just 200 people... But anyways I think getting into masters with a gamepad is super epic in itself and congrats!

You know how they have videos showing pro gamers hands to illistrate APM, i would love to see a video of just your hands in a game to see what it looks like, that would be very interesting. Also, what does the game score you for APM in your games?


Yeah I gotta buy some more web cams and position them on the walls or something to see me sitting there chilling XD. I'm a bit poor at the moment. I know this would increase the enjoyability of my stream.

My APM

Protoss 190-220

Zerg 270-300

This brings me to another point, Why is zerg apm so much higher? XD. I have not played terran for 100's of games to really say what my average apm is with it XD

Your right it is difficult to be a GM player. That's more or less not really the point of the thread though. Its more stating my commitment to improvement. Even if I reached GM people will always set higher more impossible goals.

P.S (I should get GM in wings and post screen shot ~.^ Ez)




The way that zerg macro works tends to cause zerg APM to spike... I'm high masters protoss, and low masters (maybe, might be diamond now haha, I don't know builds anymore) as zerg, but my zerg APM tends to be a little bit higher.

zerg needs to inject and spread creep, each of those things count as an action as well as, say, location hotkeys, so just the overall you just wanna be "doing more stuff" as zerg.

congrats on doing so well and having fun with it! good luck on getting to GM
xtpcool
Profile Joined May 2013
3 Posts
May 01 2013 08:58 GMT
#295
can you give me your mouse control image (mouse speed 。。xpadder。。)?
sorry my english is bad
like this(new users cannot use the img bbcode tag. T.T)
http://img2081.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130501/16/17368704520130501164521051.jpg
http://img2081.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130501/16/1736870452013050116454606.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2TNhcnw.jpg → Prevent the loss reserve
http://i.imgur.com/2FWrJ1q.jpg →Prevent the loss reserve
thanks very much!!!!!!
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
May 01 2013 11:34 GMT
#296
I'm currenty trying to think of a better control setup. I plan to use glovePIE as it's infinitely more configurable than xpadder.
I'm considering using a binary selector system with two selector buttons, quadrupling the available hotkeys, which is infact enough for full grid + hotkeys + a few camera hotkeys. I just don't know which two buttons to use, it is inconvenient pushing both control sticks, and the bumpers are important for quick actions. Using one of the four buttons cuts into the available keys and is not practical to do. I also thought of adding double taps as extra buttons, I still don?t knoe how effective that would be in practice.
When cats speak, mice listen.
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 01:22:27
May 02 2013 01:21 GMT
#297
On May 01 2013 17:58 xtpcool wrote:
can you give me your mouse control image (mouse speed 。。xpadder。。)?
sorry my english is bad
like this(new users cannot use the img bbcode tag. T.T)
http://img2081.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130501/16/17368704520130501164521051.jpg
http://img2081.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130501/16/1736870452013050116454606.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2TNhcnw.jpg → Prevent the loss reserve
http://i.imgur.com/2FWrJ1q.jpg →Prevent the loss reserve
thanks very much!!!!!!


My mouse emulation speed is set to 67. I hope this helps.

Let me know if this answered your question

xtpcool
Profile Joined May 2013
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 04:14:15
May 02 2013 04:13 GMT
#298
On May 02 2013 10:21 Cress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 17:58 xtpcool wrote:
can you give me your mouse control image (mouse speed 。。xpadder。。)?
sorry my english is bad
like this(new users cannot use the img bbcode tag. T.T)
http://img2081.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130501/16/17368704520130501164521051.jpg
http://img2081.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20130501/16/1736870452013050116454606.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2TNhcnw.jpg → Prevent the loss reserve
http://i.imgur.com/2FWrJ1q.jpg →Prevent the loss reserve
thanks very much!!!!!!


My mouse emulation speed is set to 67. I hope this helps.

Let me know if this answered your question


Speed is so slow. I may be used to using the mouse

I think I should need to practise a lot.

Thank you for your answer
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
May 02 2013 05:15 GMT
#299
Impressive ~ !
AKMU / IU
IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
May 02 2013 12:46 GMT
#300
Hi Cress. Which level can you reach on Reflex TE on missionred.com?
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