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Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
May 06 2013 23:15 GMT
#321
On May 06 2013 22:16 DinosaurPoop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:43 iCheeseUcry wrote:
Whoa, that is some seriously xbox skills.

Not really, if you try it yourself you'll see that zerg mechanics are relatively easy with it with practice.



If you were to rate star craft's difficulty level and label all the required skills to do it well. Lets say you wanted to label the required the skills to get to a decent level of masters doing basic strategy and you had a huge sample size in theory. How large a percentage of people would be able to pull it off? 50% 60% 80%? I'm sure the numbers would be something closer to 20%-30%? Who knows.

But your heavily discrediting the skills required to play the game. Managing your Stress level and becoming comfortable with the game. Learning repetitive macro and actions. Learning Micro and different strategies and how to make the game fun and interesting for "yourself". These are all things that need to be taken into account.

At its core Star Craft is anything but an easy game. You guys just make it look so damn easy =D

<3

Cress
Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
May 06 2013 23:43 GMT
#322
lol u can only do this with protoss
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
May 07 2013 01:04 GMT
#323
On May 07 2013 08:43 Chrono000 wrote:
lol u can only do this with protoss


lol u are an idiot

Seriously, that's the thought you got when you watched the footage? Are you butthurt because he plays on a higher level than you with a gamepad, or what's the reasoning?

I seriously don't get it.

@ TE: awesome job.
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
May 07 2013 11:37 GMT
#324
On May 07 2013 10:04 m4inbrain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 08:43 Chrono000 wrote:
lol u can only do this with protoss


lol u are an idiot

Seriously, that's the thought you got when you watched the footage? Are you butthurt because he plays on a higher level than you with a gamepad, or what's the reasoning?

I seriously don't get it.

@ TE: awesome job.


Well I don't think he saw the Vod's considering theres two weeks of Vod's of me playing zerg.

Please don't Bm people by the way. >,<
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
May 07 2013 12:10 GMT
#325
This is rather cool, but why are the thread title hinting that you're already GM level? It made me a bit dissapointed as that would have been truly how put the gamepad out as a strong alternative to mouse/keyboard. Reaching master's as impressive as it is, only puts you into top 6-8% with the current league restrictions imposed by Blizzard -_-.

Anyhooo happy birthday (if you put in correct TL info) and reach that GM to remedy the misleading title .
1338, one upping 1337
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 07 2013 12:12 GMT
#326
Happy birthday @ OP.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
May 07 2013 12:19 GMT
#327
On May 07 2013 21:10 JKM wrote:
This is rather cool, but why are the thread title hinting that you're already GM level? It made me a bit dissapointed as that would have been truly how put the gamepad out as a strong alternative to mouse/keyboard. Reaching master's as impressive as it is, only puts you into top 6-8% with the current league restrictions imposed by Blizzard -_-.

Anyhooo happy birthday (if you put in correct TL info) and reach that GM to remedy the misleading title .


LOL

First of all it's not "only" 6-8 percent. It's impressive as hell.

Second of all even if he reaches grandmaster it doesn't prove anything more than it proves now, namely that Cress is one hell of a player that has incredible skill with a gamepad.

It takes huge amount of skill to micro with a gamepad so for your average player this will never be an option.

And even if it was an option for the masses, someone showing that you can be a top masters player should be enough as PR for the gamepad.

His point is proven long time ago, that it is possible to be a top player with a gamepad.

Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
May 07 2013 23:13 GMT
#328
On May 07 2013 21:12 Type|NarutO wrote:
Happy birthday @ OP.


Yeah it is indeed the correct date on my TL account.

kk Cress story time.

I remember one of my first birthdays when I was maybe 5-6 years old XD

They bought me Star craft for the Nes I would come home and play it for hours. That's probably how I got my early talent for RTS with the game pad.

Protoss would usually win




Star Craft was released in this time line right? Was it a different dimension? A Rip in space and time maybe?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25117 Posts
May 07 2013 23:25 GMT
#329
Incidentally can you recall where you got the gif that you used for the intro to your stream? The one with the baneling donut, it's amazing!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JimTheCat
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada44 Posts
May 08 2013 07:38 GMT
#330
Happy Birthday Cress, very good stream as well
I do not know what to do.
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
May 08 2013 08:07 GMT
#331
On May 08 2013 08:25 Wombat_NI wrote:
Incidentally can you recall where you got the gif that you used for the intro to your stream? The one with the baneling donut, it's amazing!


People send it to me and tell me to keep going with this . That's why I keep trying despite not having a very large fan base. Anyway I liked the gif so much I added it to my stream permanently actually
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
May 08 2013 12:08 GMT
#332
On May 06 2013 19:59 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 19:43 iCheeseUcry wrote:
Whoa, that is some seriously xbox skills.

Cress also talks a lot about strategy while he streams and the purpose behind his timings. He's very intelligent.


I'm glad you enjoy the stream. I feel its very important for me to explain what timings I'm trying to execute because I do very strange builds. Doing crazy builds makes the game interesting for me ^_^
o29
Profile Joined November 2010
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 13:21:23
May 08 2013 13:08 GMT
#333
On May 08 2013 08:13 Cress wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 21:12 Type|NarutO wrote:
Happy birthday @ OP.


Yeah it is indeed the correct date on my TL account.

kk Cress story time.

I remember one of my first birthdays when I was maybe 5-6 years old XD

They bought me Star craft for the Nes I would come home and play it for hours. That's probably how I got my early talent for RTS with the game pad.

Protoss would usually win


Star Craft was released in this time line right? Was it a different dimension? A Rip in space and time maybe?


As far as consoles go, Starcraft was released on N64 in 2000, which was I think the first Blizzard RTS console game. Before that, the only worthwhile console RTS (in my opinion) was C&C: Red Alert for PS1, released in '97. And Dune II (1993) for Genesis/MegaDrive deserves an honorable mention.
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
May 08 2013 13:27 GMT
#334
On May 07 2013 10:04 m4inbrain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 08:43 Chrono000 wrote:
lol u can only do this with protoss


lol u are an idiot

Seriously, that's the thought you got when you watched the footage? Are you butthurt because he plays on a higher level than you with a gamepad, or what's the reasoning?

I seriously don't get it.

@ TE: awesome job.


How about: you're the idiot. This is a forum, not some quick chat. Writing 'u' instead of 'you', is just laziness and so unnecessary, not to mention the unnecessary insults you throw out.

Chrono000 meant to say that it's only possible to reach GM with protoss, which I can semi agree to. Protoss are the most turtly of all and require the least multitasking/micro while still managing. Sure you can maintain masters level with zerg/terran but I believe that protoss has by far the highest odds of making it into GM, with a controller and thus limited control.

So instead of shortening your words in an already super short post on a forum, and insulting people.. I suggest you try to be more constructive and mature.

On May 07 2013 21:10 JKM wrote:
This is rather cool, but why are the thread title hinting that you're already GM level? It made me a bit dissapointed as that would have been truly how put the gamepad out as a strong alternative to mouse/keyboard. Reaching master's as impressive as it is, only puts you into top 6-8% with the current league restrictions imposed by Blizzard -_-.

Anyhooo happy birthday (if you put in correct TL info) and reach that GM to remedy the misleading title .


Please, please pleaaaase.. stop spreading misinformation, really.
The top 2% is masters, not the top 6-8%.

There is a huuuuuge influx of new players that currently occupy the lower leagues, this causes the higher leagues to be pushed up and more people to be promoted to masters. Seeing there are a ton of new people playing HotS, the 2% sample size has actually increased an enormous amount in actual size, but it's still 2%.

Sc2ranks is inaccurate before you start throwing around with that, and always has been. Inactive people and a lot of missing information are also added up, sc2ranks even shows >200 people in GM at times.


www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
May 08 2013 13:34 GMT
#335
On May 08 2013 22:27 kaluro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 10:04 m4inbrain wrote:
On May 07 2013 08:43 Chrono000 wrote:
lol u can only do this with protoss


lol u are an idiot

Seriously, that's the thought you got when you watched the footage? Are you butthurt because he plays on a higher level than you with a gamepad, or what's the reasoning?

I seriously don't get it.

@ TE: awesome job.


How about: you're the idiot. This is a forum, not some quick chat. Writing 'u' instead of 'you', is just laziness and so unnecessary, not to mention the unnecessary insults you throw out.

Chrono000 meant to say that it's only possible to reach GM with protoss, which I can semi agree to. Protoss are the most turtly of all and require the least multitasking/micro while still managing. Sure you can maintain masters level with zerg/terran but I believe that protoss has by far the highest odds of making it into GM, with a controller and thus limited control.

So instead of shortening your words in an already super short post on a forum, and insulting people.. I suggest you try to be more constructive and mature.

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 21:10 JKM wrote:
This is rather cool, but why are the thread title hinting that you're already GM level? It made me a bit dissapointed as that would have been truly how put the gamepad out as a strong alternative to mouse/keyboard. Reaching master's as impressive as it is, only puts you into top 6-8% with the current league restrictions imposed by Blizzard -_-.

Anyhooo happy birthday (if you put in correct TL info) and reach that GM to remedy the misleading title .


Please, please pleaaaase.. stop spreading misinformation, really.
The top 2% is masters, not the top 6-8%.

There is a huuuuuge influx of new players that currently occupy the lower leagues, this causes the higher leagues to be pushed up and more people to be promoted to masters. Seeing there are a ton of new people playing HotS, the 2% sample size has actually increased an enormous amount in actual size, but it's still 2%.

Sc2ranks is inaccurate before you start throwing around with that, and always has been. Inactive people and a lot of missing information are also added up, sc2ranks even shows >200 people in GM at times.





with start of hots, last season was 6-8% of all players in master, so yes it SHOULD been 2 but it was more, but alot of them seem went down to dia again no idea now
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
May 08 2013 13:40 GMT
#336
You can do it!
Hey man
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
May 08 2013 13:43 GMT
#337
On May 08 2013 22:34 CoR wrote:


with start of hots, last season was 6-8% of all players in master, so yes it SHOULD been 2 but it was more, but alot of them seem went down to dia again no idea now


According to what statistics? as I said before, sc2ranks is inaccurate and it would seem masters reached a higher %, because of the higher influx of players. But that has not been the case. If you are going to throw away blizzard released facts, please provide sources and not just a counterword.
www.twitch.tv/kaluroo - 720p60fps - Remember the name! - Don't do your best, do whatever it takes.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey779 Posts
May 08 2013 14:18 GMT
#338
Aaaannd one other guy has no hands and he's dia. I'm still gold...
Age of Mythology forever!
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
May 08 2013 23:59 GMT
#339
On May 08 2013 22:27 kaluro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 10:04 m4inbrain wrote:
On May 07 2013 08:43 Chrono000 wrote:
lol u can only do this with protoss


lol u are an idiot

Seriously, that's the thought you got when you watched the footage? Are you butthurt because he plays on a higher level than you with a gamepad, or what's the reasoning?

I seriously don't get it.

@ TE: awesome job.


How about: you're the idiot. This is a forum, not some quick chat. Writing 'u' instead of 'you', is just laziness and so unnecessary, not to mention the unnecessary insults you throw out.

Chrono000 meant to say that it's only possible to reach GM with protoss, which I can semi agree to. Protoss are the most turtly of all and require the least multitasking/micro while still managing. Sure you can maintain masters level with zerg/terran but I believe that protoss has by far the highest odds of making it into GM, with a controller and thus limited control.

So instead of shortening your words in an already super short post on a forum, and insulting people.. I suggest you try to be more constructive and mature.

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 21:10 JKM wrote:
This is rather cool, but why are the thread title hinting that you're already GM level? It made me a bit dissapointed as that would have been truly how put the gamepad out as a strong alternative to mouse/keyboard. Reaching master's as impressive as it is, only puts you into top 6-8% with the current league restrictions imposed by Blizzard -_-.

Anyhooo happy birthday (if you put in correct TL info) and reach that GM to remedy the misleading title .


Please, please pleaaaase.. stop spreading misinformation, really.
The top 2% is masters, not the top 6-8%.

There is a huuuuuge influx of new players that currently occupy the lower leagues, this causes the higher leagues to be pushed up and more people to be promoted to masters. Seeing there are a ton of new people playing HotS, the 2% sample size has actually increased an enormous amount in actual size, but it's still 2%.

Sc2ranks is inaccurate before you start throwing around with that, and always has been. Inactive people and a lot of missing information are also added up, sc2ranks even shows >200 people in GM at times.





While I don't think he should be insulted for believing "lol only protoss/easy". One main concept I hear is your limited, you can't do it cress, Impossible. Without evening thinking about the possibility for improvement. Improvement in the Method/Programming and practice can change everything. No one knows what the future holds you just might be surprised ^_^
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
May 09 2013 00:10 GMT
#340
On May 08 2013 22:27 kaluro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 10:04 m4inbrain wrote:
On May 07 2013 08:43 Chrono000 wrote:
lol u can only do this with protoss


lol u are an idiot

Seriously, that's the thought you got when you watched the footage? Are you butthurt because he plays on a higher level than you with a gamepad, or what's the reasoning?

I seriously don't get it.

@ TE: awesome job.


How about: you're the idiot. This is a forum, not some quick chat. Writing 'u' instead of 'you', is just laziness and so unnecessary, not to mention the unnecessary insults you throw out.

Chrono000 meant to say that it's only possible to reach GM with protoss, which I can semi agree to. Protoss are the most turtly of all and require the least multitasking/micro while still managing. Sure you can maintain masters level with zerg/terran but I believe that protoss has by far the highest odds of making it into GM, with a controller and thus limited control.

So instead of shortening your words in an already super short post on a forum, and insulting people.. I suggest you try to be more constructive and mature.

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 21:10 JKM wrote:
This is rather cool, but why are the thread title hinting that you're already GM level? It made me a bit dissapointed as that would have been truly how put the gamepad out as a strong alternative to mouse/keyboard. Reaching master's as impressive as it is, only puts you into top 6-8% with the current league restrictions imposed by Blizzard -_-.

Anyhooo happy birthday (if you put in correct TL info) and reach that GM to remedy the misleading title .


Please, please pleaaaase.. stop spreading misinformation, really.
The top 2% is masters, not the top 6-8%.

There is a huuuuuge influx of new players that currently occupy the lower leagues, this causes the higher leagues to be pushed up and more people to be promoted to masters. Seeing there are a ton of new people playing HotS, the 2% sample size has actually increased an enormous amount in actual size, but it's still 2%.

Sc2ranks is inaccurate before you start throwing around with that, and always has been. Inactive people and a lot of missing information are also added up, sc2ranks even shows >200 people in GM at times.



Seriously? With posts like these this thread will turn into a balance whine thread.
Nios.kr AND SC2ranks both show that Masters league is well over 5% of players, currently. Blizzard has apparently acknowledged this, though I have no source, and with the demeanor of that post I have a strong feeling that you are too arrogant to be reasoned with anyway.
You are also insulting someone based upon the grammar they chose (or lack thereof.) I don't really understand why people insist on attacking people because they disagree with a point. If you disagree, disagree, don't attack someone for no reason other than to hurt their feelings.
Lastly, I disagree with you, Protoss is probably in my opinion one of the hardest races to play at a GM level, because one small mistake will kill you every time. I also believe that Zerg is the easiest race to play once you reach GM mechanics.
A lot of people disagree with me, and that's fine, but you are stating your opinions as fact. Please, just stop.
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