On April 20 2013 22:38 taldarimAltar wrote: i doubt there's limit to skill, it'll just take a lot more work
I feel the same way. When Mr.Bitters asked looknohands if he was skill capped, he reply'd not even close. I think more time and effort will always show results. Regardless of the input being used.
I don't know about that...I mean you're kind of suggesting the body can do superhuman feats if his muscles can act with the same precision and dexterity as his fingers can. They were never designed for such fine control, you're kind of limited by your body and evolution in terms of what you can do. Maybe when some electromechanical device comes out that replaces the hand.
Also just because he says he doesn't feel he's close to the skill cap doesn't mean he feels there is no skill cap - I think the time and effort would become exponentially high for him to see any return in results, to the point where there practically is a skill cap. Just thinking about it logically, when he states he's "not even close" to a skill cap that kind of implies he acknowledges that there is a skill cap, but he's not close to reaching it.
This is not entirely accurate.
Research suggests that parts of the brain can be "remapped" to compensate for a loss of functionality in another area. For example, parts of the brain of a paraplegic that are normally dedicated to fine motor control in the fingers atrophy and the resulting empty cortical area can be "repurposed", i.e. the neurons for fine motor control in the toes eventually expand to the cortical area where fine finger control was previously. The compensation may not be 1:1, but research indicates that there is some cortical remapping taking place.
When i first read that Thread, i had to try that out. I play a lot of PC games with my Controller but i never thought of playing SC2 with it :D I played a couple of LoL games with it, it was fun too, played on 1200 elo with gamepad :D But then i played SC2:
And all i have to say is: OMG, that works so great. I play in low masters in my normal way. I started to use it vs. bronze players and i lost the first couple of games, but then i came into it and i even won 1 game vs. 280point bronze player. And hey, if you guys think bronze players are bad and they are easy to beat, only because your higher, try it out with a Gamepad and then tell me how good you guys are :D
I will try that one out more!
And you will make your way into GM, it is possible but so damm hard 4 ya, Wish you all the best!
On April 24 2013 20:28 Glorfindel21 wrote: @ Cress, yeah if you play on the NA server, no doubt you can achieve master level.
Regarding your ranking (top, mid, low master) it would mean something like respe. mid master eu, low master eu, top diam eu. Wich is still really impressive.
I don't think you can do it to GM though, since the gap between masters (top) and GM is really wide. I think it's not about APM, it's simply about the fact that classical control is optimized for STR. And GM is all about optimizing.
Even if you don't believe I will achieve the goal theres other lessions to take away here. Like the amount of time effort and thought you put into the game is enough to overcome any disadvantage including so called imbalance in the game itself.
Its sad to say but I don't have my life setup where I can play a lot of time. Maybe reaching GM is something thats not possible to reach unless I was playing for 10 hours each day and was partnered with twitch or something.
Regardless I'm always making progress and I have no doubt I will be a solid GM player one day.
People act like there's not huge drawbacks to using the mouse and why would a person not use one? Scarlett for example is having trouble with wrist problems and shes not the only one. ( I hope she heals quickly and is able to play again soon <3 )
If I had to play with a mouse and keyboard. I would probably not be playing star carft 2. My wrist's can't take the strain. So you see I'm a little forced to play with the game pad XD and when people are forced into something they generally tend to do the imposable more often then not.
I play Star craft 2 the Cress way. I am unique. I Cress <3 Gangnam style level approaching over 9000.
On April 24 2013 21:13 raQn wrote: 100% sure that you will reach GM, Cress. It all comes down to practice, and you are doing it well. For many people this may seem impossible, but I seen a lot of amazing stuff done and I know that everything can be done if you really want. I can't wait for the first GM who plays on xbox! :D Looking forward to your future results.
Also, check other amazing skills to keep work!
You may take a break, but never surrender cheers
Very inspiring indeed. Thank you for this post ^^;
On April 21 2013 22:19 ETisME wrote: would love to see you playing ling baneling micro/marine split with stuttersteping with a controller, that would be epic to watch. any idea what stage you get to in marine split challenge?
Yeah its been asked for a few times. I'll probably play it for an hour or two one sometime in the future. I remember getting level 25 or so back in the day. Its been awhile. Maybe its time to update it and figure out where I'm at.
Its possible to reach high level on pc with xbox 360 Pad My nick is GenN1us, i represent console pad players on pc. I posted cupple of videos on youtube of myself playing on quake live vs high level mouse players.Recently i was the first player to enter a 100% PC lan with pad.I played shootmania during 2 days vs the best mouse players in the word and played on big stage.Also recently i manage high record on "Osu" the rythm game, used by pro starcraft 2 and League of legends players.Im interested to reach high level on starcraft but also hig acurate macro and acurate execution.Im trying to get pad popular other then call of and halo and open a new world of tournament.Here are so few videos Dont hesitate to give me advice and tell me what you think !
That is pretty awesome. I am no where near your skill level even with a mouse and I tried it with a controller and couldn't get a hang of it for awhile but than I beat a couple people. Very interesting and all the luck with your GM adventure if you get there.
On April 20 2013 06:29 Jochan wrote: Nice goal but in my opinion, now you won't reach that. Controlls already make it very hard, and on top of that certain people may never reach GM, I am not saying it is you, but even top master does not mean GM. There is a huuuuge gap between masters and GM, like from gold to diamond.
That's not true. GM level players stretch into masters pretty easily. Just because you have that gold tag doesn't mean you are one of the top 200 players. Top masters players regularly beat GM. I've played a few GMs on ladder, and beaten all of them. That doesn't make me GM (i've only played like 3) but it does mean that high masters is pretty much = GM. Earlier on in the season, you had 900-1200 masters players composing part of the top 300, i.e. there were only 100 people with 900+ points, and they were all about GM level. (Not sure what those points are now, 1300+ prolly)
Now, you can say the difference between 195 and 5 on GM is like platinum to masters or something. That's probably accurate.
Edit: Cress, how many points/bonus pool do you have right now? I'm curious!
No, no and one more time no. There are almost 11k masters players on NA that means there are 110 divisions. so according to you there are 2100 more GMs (top 7 in their division)... Yes there are some cases where people didn't log-in/played only after GM was populated but you can never be sure if they are real GM material without more information. On top of that divisions vary a lot. The biggest lie everyone tells themselves is, oh I am top X, I've been seeing league above me players so I must be promoted soon - no, that is not the case. Search criteria has been broaden, you no longer see "is favoured" you can go above/below your MMR. And beating GM players 1-2 times doesn't mean squat, everyone loses, even Flash and especially players on the ladder.
High master = top7 Top master = so much points that you are normally rank 1 in a master division
well, at least for me
Well I've held Top 8 for weeks at a time just by virtue of playing a lot of games. I'm not sure if just being top 8 really means much. You have an interesting way of rating top masters though =D.
Hmm, not sure if this is thaaat interesting tbh.
Thanks for posting. I respect your opinion. However This is something I'm doing to just share with the community I play on the game pad regardless if I'm streaming or not XD. Every time I log into star craft 2 there's always people messaging me encouraging things.
So yeah. Even though there's always gonna be haters theres still enough support for me to keep streaming for you guys.
oo wait my nick as i said is gen1us and i posted videos here to show the possibilities.Because i want to do as good as possible at starcraft 2.But im not the guy you talk about in the first pages lol.I just wanted to get him more credits I would like to see his video,can someone send me link?Im a bit septical because the best aiming with stick you can get is the one i show you on my videos,with a program i build on my own.Not with xpadder.
donkeyshot: xpadder is great for button congif but not possible for macro aiming mouse
On April 20 2013 06:17 meanmarine24 wrote: Impressive.
Cress, have you tried with the older xbox controllers? The big black ones. I modded one for PC recently, because i use a 360 controller for BF2 flying. Now, it's obviously a inferior choice due to it's lack of buttons and, for some, size.
However, i found that the bigger (just taller i think) analog sticks greatly improved accuracy. Have you tested this? Maybe a simple clip-on extender could give the same effect. I think it's worth looking into.
Interesting, in what way is your old xbox Gamepad Modded? I have not used the old xbox controller at all no. I have used the play station 3 controller some, but I'm more used to the xbox360 one.
Maybe there's a way to buy a clip extender? It would need to be very comfortable for the user otherwise it would probably hurt more then help.
A lack of buttons can always be compensated for by being innovative I've found.
I'm not sure how much a clip extender would help me. It would take me a couple of months to get used too before I even found out if it helped I think
This is something definitely worth looking into though. <3
I cut up one of the breakaway cables and soldered a normal USB cable into it. It's relatively straight forward, but you can also buy them ready made, which is probably a better use of ones time. Getting the drivers to work on W7 was the bigger issue.
The FPSFreek clipon that Rohan linked is what i had in mind, altough i'd be very wary of how well it mounts. You'd probably have to glue it on (with a solid glue like cyanoacrylate) to avoid a bending feeling in the stick.
Analog stick caps can be changed easily and costs 1usd a piece, so wreck away.
I'm not competent with soldering though XD. I guess I'm stuck just straight up buying a new game pad every time one of the analogs loses accuracy
Perhaps there's someone out there who can repair them cheap
Its possible to reach high level on pc with xbox 360 Pad My nick is GenN1us, i represent console pad players on pc. I posted cupple of videos on youtube of myself playing on quake live vs high level mouse players.Recently i was the first player to enter a 100% PC lan with pad.I played shootmania during 2 days vs the best mouse players in the word and played on big stage.Also recently i manage high record on "Osu" the rythm game, used by pro starcraft 2 and League of legends players.Im interested to reach high level on starcraft but also hig acurate macro and acurate execution.Im trying to get pad popular other then call of and halo and open a new world of tournament.Here are so few videos Dont hesitate to give me advice and tell me what you think !
Hey how's it going sir XD Great job on osu by the way. Maybe you would wanna add me on skype and share some ideas? You say you built your program for mouse accuracy? I'm just a scrub who uses xpadder but it has worked okay for me so far I just do it to avoid the wrist pain and got decent with it in the process .
Skype: Cresss ssss (Seven 's's in total XD no space)
sc2 would actually be way more fun on a touchscreen. i could see a rts game (or sim city like game) being really popular for smartphones or tablets if it were sophisticated enough
Cress: hey man no probleme ill add you.Id love to share some ideas with you Do you use xpadder only the buttons ? or also mouse moves? can you share videos ? im so curious,starcraft 2 is the last game i didnt play with pad.Only tried very quickly macro vs bot. of course its my first starcraft and my first RTS game seriously.Online played command and conquer on playstation lol,so i would have to learn how to play
Marttorn: Im doing this to give blizzard ideas lol Console is very popular and we can open a new wolrd of tournament,gaming and possibilities.Few time ago i said to everyone i can play diablo on pc and people laughed now blizzard is preparing diablo on ps3 but it need to be well adapted,i would love to get contact with them to share some advice
EPT
cheers
I just do it to avoid the wrist pain and got decent with it in the process 
