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meanmarine24
Profile Joined September 2011
37 Posts
April 19 2013 21:17 GMT
#221
Impressive.

Cress, have you tried with the older xbox controllers? The big black ones. I modded one for PC recently, because i use a 360 controller for BF2 flying.
Now, it's obviously a inferior choice due to it's lack of buttons and, for some, size.

However, i found that the bigger (just taller i think) analog sticks greatly improved accuracy.
Have you tested this? Maybe a simple clip-on extender could give the same effect.
I think it's worth looking into.
Lip the Pencilboy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Italy420 Posts
April 19 2013 21:23 GMT
#222
now this is bad ass, your amazing
if been playing sc2 with a grafic tablet for a while , never went far with it.

maximum respect
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Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
April 19 2013 21:29 GMT
#223
Nice goal but in my opinion, now you won't reach that. Controlls already make it very hard, and on top of that certain people may never reach GM, I am not saying it is you, but even top master does not mean GM. There is a huuuuge gap between masters and GM, like from gold to diamond.
"(...)all in the game, yo. All in the game"
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 22:21:42
April 19 2013 22:20 GMT
#224
On April 18 2013 04:32 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 04:28 Whitewing wrote:
On April 18 2013 04:23 SupLilSon wrote:
On April 18 2013 04:19 blade55555 wrote:
On April 18 2013 04:16 SupLilSon wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:37 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:29 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
On April 18 2013 01:21 SupLilSon wrote:
On April 17 2013 23:04 JazVM wrote:
On April 17 2013 19:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:
Pretty embarassing for SC2 more than anything else. Try getting B+ in BroodWar and I'll be impressed...


lol how ignorant can one be

SC2 players tend to grossly exaggerate how difficult the game is.



in comparison to what? your post is bad and you should feel bad.

considering the fact that there are full time gamers who are no where nere a skill cap Id say sc2 is a pretty hard game to master.

Especially compared to an FPS or something that takes very little time to get to a high skill level.

SCII places a much higher demand your on nervous system and requires you to be almost constantly focused.


Well this is a pretty good example of what I was talking about. SC2 players talking about the nervous system and focus as if it's been experimentally proven. I see people like you all the time, desperately trying to place SC2 on a pedestal above all over video games. Wake up bros, SC2 =/= Broodwar. The fact that D rank ICCUP players are solid Masters SC2 players with almost no acclimation should tell you something about the difficulty of SC2. Keep calling my post bad though NEEDZMOAR, you had a pretty bad post yourself.


Nobody is saying sc2 is harder then bw, but to say the game is easy like your post implies is also just as false. Masters is fine doesn't mean you are good though.

Why you trying to start a sc2 vs bw fight? like really?


Im not trying to start a SC2 vs BW fight. Before I even mentioned any game outside of SC2 someone is already claiming SC2 to be superior to FPS games because it, "places a much higher demand on your nervous system and requires you to be almost constantly focused." I'm sorry but that is laughable and I felt a need to respond. Like I said, some SC2 players feel the need to exaggerate how difficult the game is.


And some feel the need to make SC2 seem ridiculously easy, what's your point? Everyone has their own opinions. If you're going to demand the other person back up his opinion with experimental evidence, you'd better provide your own for your counter opinion.

Yea I guess the guy claiming SC2 to be harder than FPS games because it's more taxing on the nervous system isn't direct proof of my statement. Just ignore that because it'd go against your opinion.

In any case, I never even said SC2 was easy. I said SC2 players tend to exaggerate how difficult the game is. Reading comprehension at an all time low.


is there even a competitive shooter that is still played?

people dont really play CS anymore (too old)
CS:GO isn't terribly popular (dont know the competitive merits)
call of duty: lol
what else is there again?

face it competitive shooters died with deathmatch fps games and counter strike 1.6.
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
April 19 2013 22:22 GMT
#225
On April 20 2013 06:29 Jochan wrote:
Nice goal but in my opinion, now you won't reach that. Controlls already make it very hard, and on top of that certain people may never reach GM, I am not saying it is you, but even top master does not mean GM. There is a huuuuge gap between masters and GM, like from gold to diamond.


how can that be. the barrier to entry to GM seems to me like it is the amount of time played.
DeathProfessor
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1052 Posts
April 19 2013 22:27 GMT
#226
call of duty may be lol but its played and got 30k viewers last MLG just saying
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 03:03:34
April 20 2013 02:42 GMT
#227
holy.. wow. i played wc2 on playstation before. it was hard to say the least. this blows my mind lol.

oh yeah, goodluck!
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
April 20 2013 02:51 GMT
#228
I have trouble with mice and keyboard. You do it with a xbox controller. *kneels and worships*
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
April 20 2013 02:56 GMT
#229
If you ever want to practice PvZ, hit me up. I'm a mid masters Z. MalReynolds.612
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 03:05:23
April 20 2013 03:01 GMT
#230
On April 20 2013 06:29 Jochan wrote:
Nice goal but in my opinion, now you won't reach that. Controlls already make it very hard, and on top of that certain people may never reach GM, I am not saying it is you, but even top master does not mean GM. There is a huuuuge gap between masters and GM, like from gold to diamond.


That's not true. GM level players stretch into masters pretty easily. Just because you have that gold tag doesn't mean you are one of the top 200 players. Top masters players regularly beat GM. I've played a few GMs on ladder, and beaten all of them. That doesn't make me GM (i've only played like 3) but it does mean that high masters is pretty much = GM. Earlier on in the season, you had 900-1200 masters players composing part of the top 300, i.e. there were only 100 people with 900+ points, and they were all about GM level. (Not sure what those points are now, 1300+ prolly)

Now, you can say the difference between 195 and 5 on GM is like platinum to masters or something. That's probably accurate.

Edit: Cress, how many points/bonus pool do you have right now? I'm curious!
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MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
April 20 2013 03:29 GMT
#231
On March 27 2013 23:48 lorestarcraft wrote:
Does anyone not consider that the controller probably has some distinct advantages, such as mouse precision and easy hotkeys?


Precision? I think it's a lot easier with the mouse.
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
April 20 2013 07:58 GMT
#232
On April 20 2013 12:01 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 06:29 Jochan wrote:
Nice goal but in my opinion, now you won't reach that. Controlls already make it very hard, and on top of that certain people may never reach GM, I am not saying it is you, but even top master does not mean GM. There is a huuuuge gap between masters and GM, like from gold to diamond.


That's not true. GM level players stretch into masters pretty easily. Just because you have that gold tag doesn't mean you are one of the top 200 players. Top masters players regularly beat GM. I've played a few GMs on ladder, and beaten all of them. That doesn't make me GM (i've only played like 3) but it does mean that high masters is pretty much = GM. Earlier on in the season, you had 900-1200 masters players composing part of the top 300, i.e. there were only 100 people with 900+ points, and they were all about GM level. (Not sure what those points are now, 1300+ prolly)

Now, you can say the difference between 195 and 5 on GM is like platinum to masters or something. That's probably accurate.

Edit: Cress, how many points/bonus pool do you have right now? I'm curious!

No, no and one more time no. There are almost 11k masters players on NA that means there are 110 divisions. so according to you there are 2100 more GMs (top 7 in their division)... Yes there are some cases where people didn't log-in/played only after GM was populated but you can never be sure if they are real GM material without more information. On top of that divisions vary a lot.
The biggest lie everyone tells themselves is, oh I am top X, I've been seeing league above me players so I must be promoted soon - no, that is not the case. Search criteria has been broaden, you no longer see "is favoured" you can go above/below your MMR. And beating GM players 1-2 times doesn't mean squat, everyone loses, even Flash and especially players on the ladder.
"(...)all in the game, yo. All in the game"
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
April 20 2013 08:06 GMT
#233
On April 20 2013 16:58 Jochan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 12:01 Alryk wrote:
On April 20 2013 06:29 Jochan wrote:
Nice goal but in my opinion, now you won't reach that. Controlls already make it very hard, and on top of that certain people may never reach GM, I am not saying it is you, but even top master does not mean GM. There is a huuuuge gap between masters and GM, like from gold to diamond.


That's not true. GM level players stretch into masters pretty easily. Just because you have that gold tag doesn't mean you are one of the top 200 players. Top masters players regularly beat GM. I've played a few GMs on ladder, and beaten all of them. That doesn't make me GM (i've only played like 3) but it does mean that high masters is pretty much = GM. Earlier on in the season, you had 900-1200 masters players composing part of the top 300, i.e. there were only 100 people with 900+ points, and they were all about GM level. (Not sure what those points are now, 1300+ prolly)

Now, you can say the difference between 195 and 5 on GM is like platinum to masters or something. That's probably accurate.

Edit: Cress, how many points/bonus pool do you have right now? I'm curious!

No, no and one more time no. There are almost 11k masters players on NA that means there are 110 divisions. so according to you there are 2100 more GMs (top 7 in their division)... Yes there are some cases where people didn't log-in/played only after GM was populated but you can never be sure if they are real GM material without more information. On top of that divisions vary a lot.
The biggest lie everyone tells themselves is, oh I am top X, I've been seeing league above me players so I must be promoted soon - no, that is not the case. Search criteria has been broaden, you no longer see "is favoured" you can go above/below your MMR. And beating GM players 1-2 times doesn't mean squat, everyone loses, even Flash and especially players on the ladder.


High master = top7
Top master = so much points that you are normally rank 1 in a master division

well, at least for me
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 12:22:48
April 20 2013 12:04 GMT
#234
On April 20 2013 12:01 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 06:29 Jochan wrote:
Nice goal but in my opinion, now you won't reach that. Controlls already make it very hard, and on top of that certain people may never reach GM, I am not saying it is you, but even top master does not mean GM. There is a huuuuge gap between masters and GM, like from gold to diamond.


That's not true. GM level players stretch into masters pretty easily. Just because you have that gold tag doesn't mean you are one of the top 200 players. Top masters players regularly beat GM. I've played a few GMs on ladder, and beaten all of them. That doesn't make me GM (i've only played like 3) but it does mean that high masters is pretty much = GM. Earlier on in the season, you had 900-1200 masters players composing part of the top 300, i.e. there were only 100 people with 900+ points, and they were all about GM level. (Not sure what those points are now, 1300+ prolly)

Now, you can say the difference between 195 and 5 on GM is like platinum to masters or something. That's probably accurate.

Edit: Cress, how many points/bonus pool do you have right now? I'm curious!


I have two hots accounts at the moment both at about 1000 points with 200-300ish bonus pool XD. They both are 15-20 wins above losses so something like 58-59% winrate. Slowed down on playing some need to adjust my life a little better to play more. Can't even burn my pool at the moment really.

I'll get to everyones questions eventually so lemme know <3

Edit: By the way. Will be doing a 3v3 and 4v4 marathon later today inviting people from my chat to play games. If you'd like to get to play some games with me join Channel Cress. Will be online by 2-3 pm PST hopefully.
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
April 20 2013 13:14 GMT
#235
this reminds me of the guy playing without arms and legs
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taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 13:38:51
April 20 2013 13:38 GMT
#236
i doubt there's limit to skill, it'll just take a lot more work
Doominator10
Profile Joined August 2012
United States515 Posts
April 20 2013 20:04 GMT
#237
"What's your favorite protoss unit"
"---White Ra"

XDD

My favorite zerg unit is TLO then.
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Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
April 20 2013 20:08 GMT
#238
This is very badass Cress.
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 05:59:34
April 20 2013 22:45 GMT
#239
On April 20 2013 22:14 dreamseller wrote:
this reminds me of the guy playing without arms and legs


You can't really compare someone with wrist problems to someone with no arms or legs . I suppose you could say one is a lesser example and one is an extreme example of players adapting to play a game they love.

I've seen looknohands on a few streams and seen him play a few times. He seems like a really nice guy who's really done a lot to further the Esports scene and deserves some mad respect for being someone who puts himself out there for the community. I think that's one thing we don't do enough recognize these people. I'm sure hes inspired a lot of people. Not sure what hes been up too as of late but I hope he keeps doing what he loves and has the ability to travel to tournaments.

<3 Matthew Fink (looknohands)

For those of you curious there's a nice you tube video of him getting interviewed and playing.
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Cress
Cress
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
April 21 2013 04:56 GMT
#240
On April 20 2013 12:29 MetalPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 23:48 lorestarcraft wrote:
Does anyone not consider that the controller probably has some distinct advantages, such as mouse precision and easy hotkeys?


Precision? I think it's a lot easier with the mouse.


The mouse is even inferior in some instances. "Cress what are you talking about theres no input with greater precision then the mouse "

I'd like you all to try something for me Go into MS paint and try drawing a picture with the mouse. Then compare it to someone using a digital drawing pencil. The USB Pen will have far greater precision then the mouse will ever get.

Now think about this what if a player practice for 3 years with a USB Pen using the Directional keys on the keyboard and the Pen to draw box's and micro. I know the Star Craft 2 Mouse will not handle the USB Pen disappearing and reappearing again but what if it could?

If blizzard patched Star craft 2 to make full use of a USB pen. In theory with enough practice that person could greatly exceed a mouse user in precision and speed. Its impossible to know for sure because no one has attempted it. However its an interesting Idea.

What do you guys think? XD
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