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sUgArMaNiAc
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia110 Posts
March 23 2013 02:14 GMT
#61
Oh hellokitty, why do people give you shit? I was grandmasters on NA in WoL and got the same BM. Its not our fault that people cant handle protoss pushes. I think it goes NA<EU<SEA<KR in terms of skill level so the people on NA are a bit angry. Anyway thanks for the replay pack I just hit mid-term at Uni so HotS here i come.
No luck catching those swans then?
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
March 23 2013 02:22 GMT
#62
On March 23 2013 11:14 sUgArMaNiAc wrote:
NA<EU<SEA<KR .

Oh, look! He's from Australia! No bias here.
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
March 23 2013 02:24 GMT
#63
cheers man, will check em out! <3
Moosegills
Profile Joined March 2011
United States558 Posts
March 23 2013 03:02 GMT
#64
Thanks for sharing
#1 HuK fan, zerg player playing for http://www.complexitygaming.com - @coL_Moosegills
sUgArMaNiAc
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia110 Posts
March 23 2013 03:24 GMT
#65
On March 23 2013 11:22 selboN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 11:14 sUgArMaNiAc wrote:
NA<EU<SEA<KR .

Oh, look! He's from Australia! No bias here.


Im sorry , maybe you should try a different server. I dont think anyone would say that NA possesses the most skilled players. Admittedly i would say that NA, EU and SEA are close but KR is higher, but NA people always feel a lot easier to play against.
No luck catching those swans then?
NintendoStar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States217 Posts
March 23 2013 03:46 GMT
#66
On March 23 2013 10:19 crbox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 10:11 hellokittySC2 wrote:
On March 23 2013 10:04 Origine wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:59 hellokittySC2 wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:51 Origine wrote:
was hoping for some good macro games/builds but sadly there are a LOT of cheeses/all-ins that dont get past 12min t_t not rly my style but worth downloading for agressive protoss users!

there are a few macro games, just look for the ones that past 15 minutes all in's vs terran is a must(i personally think terran is pretty imbalanced)


what makes terran imbalanced? mines and medivacs right? cant you abuse phenix play or stargate play in general and go macro from there?

no, well, you can. but the problem is making phoenix is it costs a lot, and marines just pretty much hard counters them, even then, phoenix are slower than the burst speed of medivacs, and they can still drop and all. stargate tech into phoenix gives your opponent a huge window of timing to attack with mmm without worrying about any sort of splash damange while you're on 2 base


Well it's the same with muta in TvZ really... While your first mutas fly across the map there's a huge window for the terran to do damage, but the mutas are here to contain so they can't push out. It's the same with phoenixes, if you pressure the Terran enough he's not gonna be able to move out to expoit that timing.

I'm not saying PvT is balanced or anything, just that stargate play seems (for now) to be worth the shot, like MC showed at MLG.

Also the marine doesn't "counter" the phoenix, it's an harassing unit made to stop drops and pick off stray units. Of course you don't wanna engage a huge clump of marines with 5 phoenixes e.e


There is no way you can compare mutas and phoenix in this situation, drop a couple turrets in the main and phoenix's are done, whereas mutas can seriously contribute to overall dps. I'm also not saying that air play isnt viable, MC did show it can work, however it requires very, very good micro, multitasking, and map awareness that not everyone can do as well as MC.

As for the people complaining about allins again terran, I'm in the same boat as hellokitty, drops are just absurdly difficult to deal with. That's largely why I wanted this pack, to either see how he deals with drop play or kill the terran before that happens, so I have many thanks for that.

Also I wanted to ask, I noticed that you get your gases at an unusual timing. What's the reason behind this?
"oh well then u can just get off this site then if ya'll goin to play it like dat fool i write like dis cos itz gangstar" -Linko8697
hellokittySC2
Profile Joined September 2009
United States395 Posts
March 23 2013 03:51 GMT
#67
On March 23 2013 12:46 NintendoStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 10:19 crbox wrote:
On March 23 2013 10:11 hellokittySC2 wrote:
On March 23 2013 10:04 Origine wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:59 hellokittySC2 wrote:
On March 23 2013 09:51 Origine wrote:
was hoping for some good macro games/builds but sadly there are a LOT of cheeses/all-ins that dont get past 12min t_t not rly my style but worth downloading for agressive protoss users!

there are a few macro games, just look for the ones that past 15 minutes all in's vs terran is a must(i personally think terran is pretty imbalanced)


what makes terran imbalanced? mines and medivacs right? cant you abuse phenix play or stargate play in general and go macro from there?

no, well, you can. but the problem is making phoenix is it costs a lot, and marines just pretty much hard counters them, even then, phoenix are slower than the burst speed of medivacs, and they can still drop and all. stargate tech into phoenix gives your opponent a huge window of timing to attack with mmm without worrying about any sort of splash damange while you're on 2 base


Well it's the same with muta in TvZ really... While your first mutas fly across the map there's a huge window for the terran to do damage, but the mutas are here to contain so they can't push out. It's the same with phoenixes, if you pressure the Terran enough he's not gonna be able to move out to expoit that timing.

I'm not saying PvT is balanced or anything, just that stargate play seems (for now) to be worth the shot, like MC showed at MLG.

Also the marine doesn't "counter" the phoenix, it's an harassing unit made to stop drops and pick off stray units. Of course you don't wanna engage a huge clump of marines with 5 phoenixes e.e


There is no way you can compare mutas and phoenix in this situation, drop a couple turrets in the main and phoenix's are done, whereas mutas can seriously contribute to overall dps. I'm also not saying that air play isnt viable, MC did show it can work, however it requires very, very good micro, multitasking, and map awareness that not everyone can do as well as MC.

As for the people complaining about allins again terran, I'm in the same boat as hellokitty, drops are just absurdly difficult to deal with. That's largely why I wanted this pack, to either see how he deals with drop play or kill the terran before that happens, so I have many thanks for that.

Also I wanted to ask, I noticed that you get your gases at an unusual timing. What's the reason behind this?

as far as for unusual gas timing? what do you mean by that? i get double gas at 15 supply usually and tailor builds accordingly(no scouting btw)
twitter.com/hellokittyhots facebook.com/hellokittysc2 hellokitty.278, http://twitch.tv/noobeater5 为中国人在星际上争气!
NintendoStar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States217 Posts
March 23 2013 04:00 GMT
#68
Well yeah I've never really seen anyone go double gas at 15 and add on probes over time. Why not get the first gas at 14 and the second after the core?
"oh well then u can just get off this site then if ya'll goin to play it like dat fool i write like dis cos itz gangstar" -Linko8697
Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
March 23 2013 05:29 GMT
#69
On March 23 2013 12:24 sUgArMaNiAc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 11:22 selboN wrote:
On March 23 2013 11:14 sUgArMaNiAc wrote:
NA<EU<SEA<KR .

Oh, look! He's from Australia! No bias here.


Im sorry , maybe you should try a different server. I dont think anyone would say that NA possesses the most skilled players. Admittedly i would say that NA, EU and SEA are close but KR is higher, but NA people always feel a lot easier to play against.



skill level of national orgin
kr>eu>na>sea

skill level by server difficulty

kr>na>eu>sea

while europeans are more skilled than americans, koreans have good latency to na so they play there making na harder than eu, sea is about as far from na as na is from kr... lol
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-23 06:26:52
March 23 2013 06:26 GMT
#70
literally almost every protoss on ladder right now is all-ining every game, its getting really annoying and its going to hurt them in the long run.
sUgArMaNiAc
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-23 06:30:46
March 23 2013 06:28 GMT
#71
Still think that SEA has better quality players than NA. and NA is full of BM. Hence my original comment but still i just wanted to see hellokittys replay pack not argue.
No luck catching those swans then?
askmc70
Profile Joined March 2012
United States722 Posts
March 23 2013 06:35 GMT
#72
On March 23 2013 15:26 iky43210 wrote:
literally almost every protoss on ladder right now is all-ining every game, its getting really annoying and its going to hurt them in the long run.

how? pvz in wol had a lot of immortal sentry all inns....
capu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Finland224 Posts
March 23 2013 07:08 GMT
#73
hmm hellokitty seems a pretty strong player, i watched his pack and he even almost beat Fuzer.
KoDo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States683 Posts
March 23 2013 15:14 GMT
#74
not to digress the thread but...SEA is terrible. by far the lowest skilled region. there shouldn't even be anymore discussion of this point.
Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
March 23 2013 18:50 GMT
#75
Nice, I've been watching through some of these replays to see some builds in action. I don't know if you noticed but Whirlwind LE(9) is either against a map hacker or someone who got really lucky, blind 7 pool on Whirlwind.
Eggi
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
478 Posts
March 23 2013 18:57 GMT
#76
On March 24 2013 03:50 Darthsanta13 wrote:
Nice, I've been watching through some of these replays to see some builds in action. I don't know if you noticed but Whirlwind LE(9) is either against a map hacker or someone who got really lucky, blind 7 pool on Whirlwind.


to be honest 7 pool on whirlwind isnt a bad call.
such a big map people are more inclined to CC/Nexus 1st.

I mean thats how MC lost to life as did Flash
Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
March 23 2013 20:41 GMT
#77
On March 24 2013 03:57 SoOJuuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2013 03:50 Darthsanta13 wrote:
Nice, I've been watching through some of these replays to see some builds in action. I don't know if you noticed but Whirlwind LE(9) is either against a map hacker or someone who got really lucky, blind 7 pool on Whirlwind.


to be honest 7 pool on whirlwind isnt a bad call.
such a big map people are more inclined to CC/Nexus 1st.

I mean thats how MC lost to life as did Flash

I can understand that, it was more that the person in the replay didn't know where hellokitty was when he rallied his lings, he just picked the right base. He sent a drone scout, but it got there at the same time as his lings, so he didn't really benefit from that. I mean maybe it's a justified risk, but it seemed kinda fishy when I watched it.
hellokittySC2
Profile Joined September 2009
United States395 Posts
March 23 2013 21:18 GMT
#78
I mean, it's whatever right? I don't mind losing to possible map hackers, I just ban out whirlwind from now on so none of this bs happens.
twitter.com/hellokittyhots facebook.com/hellokittysc2 hellokitty.278, http://twitch.tv/noobeater5 为中国人在星际上争气!
FuzzySc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada140 Posts
March 24 2013 00:02 GMT
#79
best cat NA
hellokittySC2
Profile Joined September 2009
United States395 Posts
March 25 2013 01:11 GMT
#80
replays reorganized by maps http://www.mediafire.com/?ji6u6lqcnet771a
twitter.com/hellokittyhots facebook.com/hellokittysc2 hellokitty.278, http://twitch.tv/noobeater5 为中国人在星际上争气!
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